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Fiscal Treaty Megathread [Poll Reset]

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    #1442
    Rabidlamb
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,202 ✭✭✭Rabidlamb


    --Kaiser-- wrote: »
    The Boards demographic is gernerally not too reflective of the Irish one.
    Thank fvck for that

    There's not one Christian on Boards yet 84% of the population are staunch Catholics, go figure.


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    #1443
    DEFTLEFTHAND
    Registered Users Posts: 16,500 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    I've a feeling the undecided voters may swing it for the No side. Lets be realistic here, a huge number of people had no idea of what they were voting on, believe me some of the things I heard at polling stations yesterday astonished me. Therefore with no comprehension of the treaty the likely hood is they'd vote no not because of informed opinion but because of ignorance. You are naturally wary of what you don't understand.


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    #1444
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    hoodwinked wrote: »
    i thought they'd have it from close of polls based on the lists they mark off at each centre?
    There are no close of poll figures from each centre. The count hasn't started yet.


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    #1445
    hoodwinked
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,175 ✭✭✭hoodwinked


    P.C. wrote: »
    Not a good reason. Most constitutions need to be changed from time to time.
    That is their nature. They are written at a certain time, when there is a certain thinking behind them. Times change, ideas change and people change.
    Constitution can and should also change from time to time.

    Not too long ago, the constitution was changed to remove the death penalty. Would you argue that that was bad because the constitution had to change?

    no i have no problem changing the constitution and i agree it has to be done, but you shouldn't be changing it if you you don't understand what you are changing it to.

    dvpower wrote: »
    There are no close of poll figures from each centre. The count hasn't started yet.

    oh i know, but the list of people they have that they cross off when you vote would that not give them Pre-count numbers of estimated turnout?


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    #1446
    [Deleted User]
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    DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »
    I've a feeling the undecided voters may swing it for the No side. Lets be realistic here, a huge number of people had no idea of what they were voting on, believe me some of the things I heard at polling stations yesterday astonished me. Therefore with no comprehension of the treaty the likely hood is they'd vote no not because of informed opinion but because of ignorance. You are naturally wary of what you don't understand.
    Judging by the low turnout figures, it's more likely that the "undecided" stayed home!


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    #1447
    Battered Mars Bar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 672 ✭✭✭Battered Mars Bar


    --Kaiser-- wrote: »
    The Boards demographic is gernerally not too reflective of the Irish one.
    Thank fvck for that

    I'm very disappointed to hear that, I thought I was a real person. :(


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    #1448
    hoodwinked
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,175 ✭✭✭hoodwinked


    Battered Mars Bar wrote: »
    I'm very disappointed to hear that, I thought I was a real person. :(

    not yet pinocchio not yet!


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    #1449
    the groutch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,096 ✭✭✭✭the groutch


    0939 With 10% of boxes open in Dublin North West, the tally has Yes at 47% and No at 52%.
    Dublin Mid West: Tally Received - Yes 52% No 48%
    Dublin North: Tally Received. No 60% Yes 40%
    Waterford - Tally Received: 14.5% Boxes Open , Yes 55% No 44%




    all very tight, definitely not the 60/40 to the Yes side that was predicted.


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    #1450
    Dyr
    Registered Users Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    the groutch wrote: »
    all very tight, definitely not the 60/40 to the Yes side that was predicted.

    Be very suprised if its a No tbh


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    #1451
    ninebeanrows
    Registered Users Posts: 12,778 ✭✭✭✭ninebeanrows


    the groutch wrote: »
    all very tight, definitely not the 60/40 to the Yes side that was predicted.

    You've Cherry picked those.

    Huge class divide showing up.


    Balls bridge showing 80% yes

    Dublin SE 64% yes.



    At this stage it is looking like a yes vote near 55% to 60%


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    #1452
    SafeSurfer
    Registered Users Posts: 6,427 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Looks like its a YES vote by 55% +

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



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    #1453
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    Irrespective of a yes or no vote, it annoys me that so little turned out to actually vote in the first place. And no doubt those who didn't vote will be the biggest whingers when the results emerge.


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    #1454
    batistuta9
    Registered Users Posts: 8,174 ✭✭✭batistuta9


    DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »
    I've a feeling the undecided voters may swing it for the No side. Lets be realistic here, a huge number of people had no idea of what they were voting on, believe me some of the things I heard at polling stations yesterday astonished me. Therefore with no comprehension of the treaty the likely hood is they'd vote no not because of informed opinion but because of ignorance. You are naturally wary of what you don't understand.

    what did you hear?


    one of the best ones i heard was that "you'd be as well to vote no than not vote at all"


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    #1455
    batistuta9
    Registered Users Posts: 8,174 ✭✭✭batistuta9


    smash wrote: »
    Irrespective of a yes or no vote, it annoys me that so little turned out to actually vote in the first place. And no doubt those who didn't vote will be the biggest whingers when the results emerge.

    most people didn't have a fúcking clue what the whole thing was about & i'd say even a good percentage of those that did vote didn't either.

    so who should you really blame for this?


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    #1456
    Rabidlamb
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,202 ✭✭✭Rabidlamb


    http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0601/fiscal-treaty-referendum-count-to-begin.html

    Checking the early tallies the Yes side will win comfortably.
    At least we wont have to do it again.:rolleyes:


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    #1457
    theg81der
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,644 ✭✭✭theg81der


    God I need out of this dumb a$$ country!!!


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    #1458
    ninebeanrows
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    More and more looking like 60% ish


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    #1459
    My name is URL
    Registered Users Posts: 25,069 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Class divide is massive judging by the tallies so far. A lot of people obviously turning their backs on Labour.


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    #1460
    Hande hoche!
    Registered Users Posts: 7,715 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    Joe Higgins is wearing a nice tie.


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    #1461
    Scofflaw
    Registered Users Posts: 23,283 ✭✭✭✭Scofflaw


    Running an exit poll in the Politics forum: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056657467

    cordially,
    Scofflaw


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    #1462
    bleg
    Registered Users Posts: 5,848 ✭✭✭bleg


    All over. yes has it.


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    #1463
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    Weathercheck wrote: »
    More and more looking like 60% ish
    It could easily swing the opposite direction. only a minority of boxes are open so far.


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    #1464
    My name is URL
    Registered Users Posts: 25,069 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    smash wrote: »
    It could easily swing the opposite direction. only a minority of boxes are open so far.

    It'd be a hell of a swing tbh!


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    #1465
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    My name is URL wrote: »
    It'd be a hell of a swing tbh!
    Well a result in one area was 55/45 in favour of yes but only 15% of boxes were open.


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    #1466
    Rabidlamb
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,202 ✭✭✭Rabidlamb


    smash wrote: »
    It could easily swing the opposite direction. only a minority of boxes are open so far.

    Here's some straws, would you like to clutch at them.

    The tallies we have even up to now are a much bigger sample than any opinion poll taken to date.
    Around 60% for the Yes side, not even close.


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    #1467
    El Horseboxo
    Registered Users Posts: 5,339 ✭✭✭El Horseboxo


    Can we have another referendum since the turn out was so low? Or does that only work when the government don't get what they want?


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    #1468
    Lollipops23
    Registered Users Posts: 5,420 ✭✭✭Lollipops23


    I voted Yes, but have to say I'm quite surprised at the result so far- didn't think it'd even be close and that it'd be a No.

    To be honest, I had a feeling it'd be No, followed by the same situation as the Lisbon Treaty- "You didn't vote the way we wanted you to- now get back in there and do it properly this time!!" which would have pissed me off. That's not what democracy is about.


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    #1469
    My name is URL
    Registered Users Posts: 25,069 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    smash wrote: »
    Well a result in one area was 55/45 in favour of yes but only 15% of boxes were open.

    Even such small samples are usually indicative of the wider sentiment within constituencies.


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    #1470
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    Good God.
    It looks like the professional pollsters called it correctly and the various Boards polls, the online polls and the radio and TV polls were wrong.

    How could this have happened?

    /sarcasm


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    #1471
    gurramok
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    El Horseboxo wrote: »
    Can we have another referendum since the turn out was so low? Or does that only work when the government don't get what they want?
    El Horseboxo wrote: »
    Can we have another referendum since the turn out was so low? Or does that only work when the government don't get what they want?

    You asked twice so you may get another chance ;)


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