Katie's Qualifier: 9 to 20 May 2012

walshb

Jonas from England looks also to be a big threat, beating Tatar's conqueror in the last 16, Devi. I believe Devi moved from 49-51 to fight at 60 Kgs as the Indians will be sending someone else at 49-51. This is very tense altogether!

Edit: Regarding the qialification mathematics:

RTE today: "Taylor will know at the end of the current session if she has qualified for the Olympics, while victory in the quarter-finals on Wednesday would seal her London berth regardless of results elsewhere."

Is this correct? How will she know if she has qualified at the "end of the current session." She is only thru to the QF stage now.

Dodge

walshb wrote: »

Jonas from England looks also to be a big threat, beating Tatar's conqueror in the last 16, Devi. I believe Devi moved from 49-51 to fight at 60 Kgs as the Indians will be sending someone else at 49-51. This is very tense altogether!

The Indian girl Mary Kom usually fights at 48 and, like Katie, has won the last 4 World Championships. She got the nod at 51kgs

walshb

Dodge wrote: »

The Indian girl Mary Kom usually fights at 48 and, like Katie, has won the last 4 World Championships. She got the nod at 51kgs

That's right. 5 time WC; living legend in India. Katie is a 3 time champ, not 4.

Dodge

walshb wrote: »

Edit: Regarding the qialification mathematics:

RTE today: "Taylor will know at the end of the current session if she has qualified for the Olympics, while victory in the quarter-finals on Wednesday would seal her London berth regardless of results elsewhere."

Is this correct? How will she know if she has qualified at the "end of the current session." She is only thru to the QF stage now.

No its incirrect. At the time of writing ir may have been possible that today clarified it. If Taylor loses and Ochigava and Mossely win, she'll be waiting on invite (that she'll more than likely get). The only doubt about that invite is if it is between host nation (Jonas) and Taylor

walshb

Dodge wrote: »

No its incirrect. At the time of writing ir may have been possible that today clarified it. If Taylor loses and Ochigava and Mossely win, she'll be waiting on invite (that she'll more than likely get). The only doubt about that invite is if it is between host nation (Jonas) and Taylor

I knew it was incorrect, thanks for clarity.

These invites should be earned if two or more women are up for them. Box off!

Pisco Sour

So hypothetically speaking, say Katie and the Russian make the final here, is it fair to say that they will be seeded 1 and 2, will be lept apart til the Olympic Final, AND will each receive a bye into the quarter finals?

If so then Katie winning gold here is all the more important as it could be the difference between winning 1 fight for a medal (3 for gold) or 2 for a medal (4 for gold) in London. This is all just a logical guess, so somebody to clear this up would be good.

Thanks for all the comments on this thread. Making following this from the other side of the world all the easier.

walshb

AIBA will seed the two for the games and I do not believe that it is an exact science either. It could be Taylor 1, Ochigav 2. But, I believe it could be another combination as well. Mike?

Craptacular

Craptacular wrote: »

04072511 wrote: »

How will this work in the Olympics? Is there anything to stop Katie and the Russian facing each other in Round 1?

Are there only 12 spots in the Olympics at each weight? That means 4 boxers getting first round byes? Or are there 16 spaces meaning 12 qualifiers (including the wild cards) and the other 4 are invitational?

Just to answer my own question yes there are just 12 spots (the seeding has been covered by others with more knowledge).

When the IOC agreed to allow women's boxing they decided to drop one men's category and add three women's meaning competition in 13 instead of 11 weights. They decided the overall number of boxers would remain the same at 286 with 250 men and 36 women which is 12 women per weight.

barney4001

betting olympics

taylor to win a medal 1/12

to win gold 2/5

MrJoeSoap

barney4001 wrote: »

betting olympics

taylor to win a medal 1/12

to win gold 2/5

As confident as I am, I wouldn't be touching those odds.

mjon3105

I'd go along with taylor at 1 and Ochigava at 2 seed for London assuming both get there. Whole qualification process needs to be thoroughly examined before Rio 2016.
An hour ago the Associated Press sent a press release worldwide confirming that Taylor has now qualified for the Olympics and it is now on most USA boxing and other media sites.

I have seen or heard nothing that would suggest that that is correct but just shows that such as Associated Press, ESPN and USA Boxing all of whom now confirm Taylor is qualified are all as confused as we are here ..... it is widely believed (though not confirmed by AIBA) that one of the "wildcards" will go to Afghanistan.

I never did understand why Ochigava and Jonas were unseeded - clearly a serious mistake. Came about by virtue of system they use which only includes regognised AIBA and Continental events thus many boxers like Jonas got few points because GB had different boxers (Jonas,Cameron and Coulson) in tournaments whilst deciding which of them should be chosen.

Underwood has certainly gone backwards since her various U.S TV appearances following publication of her sad history of family abuse. Her new website makes it sound as if she believed all the hype. To be honest when I saw the U.S trials I could not believe she got the verdict over Michaela Mayer. Terrible decision that was. She also lost to Jonas in the Olympic test event in London and again in an early round of the (American) Continenental championships in Canada a few weeks back so not unduly surprised she has not got as far as she and many experts expected, not all of them Americans either.


Jonas on home soil will prove a big threat. Ochigava is back to something like her previous best but not quite there yet. Sorry not been on board for last week or two but exceptionally busy writing previews,reviews,updates and reports for four different countries. Great fun though!

A very important factor is that the boxers who are doing well in most weights are the naturals at those weights not those who have put on or lost lots of weight to get into a particular weight division. That was to be expected but is not always appreciated by fans. Sarita Devi for example never wanted to be at 60kg but India demanded that that place go to Mery Kom as holder of 5 world titles.

Personally I'd be surprised if MK wins this time - I expect it to be between Ren Cancan and Nikki Adams but all round so many shocks in all three Olympic divisions....biggest being departure of both Mary Spencer and Claressa Shields from 75kg........ one noticeable factor is that the three English women have done very very well as indeed they should. Their training set up in Sheffield is now by far and away superior to that in USA,China,Russia or elsewhere. Yet 'poor' Ceire Smith (who has done so well) has no funding in Ireland. IABA must find proper funding even if that means sponsors becoming more and more involved. Prof O'Shea may not like it though!

If it had not been for the sacrifices of the Taylor family in early years where would Katie be today??? .....still struggling to find bouts (let alone funding) in Ireland. She is respected not only by her fellow boxers like Ochigava,Tatar,etc but also by administrators and boxing fans throughout the world and no one but no one deserves an Olympic Gold medal more. These world championships have shown that there are more and more fine women boxers now than ever before and as I said so often on this forum over past two years or so, the womens boxing will be one of the great successes of the 2012 Games. (Of course there will always be detractors, there wil always be those who feel strongly that women should not box,but equally there will be many who like Barry McGuigan will be converted when they see Katie Taylor in action.

+++mjon3105

walshb wrote: »

AIBA will seed the two for the games and I do not believe that it is an exact science either. It could be Taylor 1, Ochigav 2. But, I believe it could be another combination as well. Mike?

Dodge

Just in the invitations, they are, like most sports, designed to give representation to countries not traditionally strong in that sport, then the boxer from Afghanistan getting that spot from Asia rings true.

There may even be a rule that if an athlete from your country is qualified in another disciple you can't get one (On this case discipline = weight category ).That would rule out quite a few

Many thanks for the every informative posts mjon

Craptacular

Great post mjon.

That press release states that everyone in the last 8 in each weight qualifies and that's just not correct.

With Europeans in all 4 quarter finals Katie needs to win and have a European beaten by a non-European to qualify today. If Europeans win all 4 quarter finals then I believe it'll be the two finalists and the semi finalist that loses to the overall winner that qualify.

Dan man

Craptacular wrote: »

Great post mjon.

That press release states that everyone in the last 8 in each weight qualifies and that's just not correct.

With Europeans in all 4 quarter finals Katie needs to win and have a European beaten by a non-European to qualify today. If Europeans win all 4 quarter finals then I believe it'll be the two finalists and the semi finalist that loses to the overall winner that qualify.

It's never plain sailing for Olympic hopefuls is it? What a tough qualification pathway, thank God we have Katie fighting our corner (pardon the intended pun).

Dusty87

Katie's opponent a no show
Walkover

Dan man

Her opponent didn't show, walkover for Katie Taylor.

ebbsy

Wha

Hurray anyway

Dusty87

Katies goin to London!!!
France beaten.

Dodge

She's qualified as Tajikistan beat France

efb

Tajikistan won 20 12! Lolz

Craptacular

Brilliant. Nobody deserves it more. Now win the gold in China Katie.

Dodge

Other semi final is between Ochigava and Jonas of England

Dodge

7 of the 8 Quota places are now filled at 60kgs

Taylor (Ireland)
Ochigava (Russia)
Jonas (GB)
Choerieva (Tajikistan)
Araujo (Brazil)
Jouini (Tunisia)
Pritchard (New Zealand)

The final spot will depend on who wins gold
Taylor wins, Khassenova (Kazakhstan) is in
Chorieva wins, Shevchenko (Kyrgzstan) is in
Ochigava wins, Dong (China) is in
Jonas wins, Devi (India) is in

That final 4 semi final line up looks very strong

walshb

Excellent. And let's hope the "rest" today will benefits Katie in the semi final.

cowzerp

Pressure off now for Katie, she seems to handle pressure amazingly in saying that.

Dodge

cowzerp wrote: »

Pressure off now for Katie, she seems to handle pressure amazingly in saying that.

Was thinking about this earlier as prety much every tweet I read on twitter was Katie related. 95% of those tweeting have never seen her box.

She's going into the Olympics as Ireland's best chance of a medal, with all the pressure on her to win gold. Its bad enough that those in sport want/expect her to do well, but when all the extras are piled on, I'd imagine its unreal.

Luckily for all concerned, she seems supremely confident and and calm all the time.

Nevertheless I'm making it my job now to try and convince people that she is not a shoe in a for a medal of any colour, mever mind gold. As every other girl has had the Olympics as her sole goal for years now. Katie's lost fights. She's not invincible. While hoping she wins here, I don't think a loss is the worst thing in the world in the lead up to London

walshb

Dodge wrote: »

Nevertheless I'm making it my job now to try and convince people that she is not a shoe in a for a medal of any colour, mever mind gold. As every other girl has had the Olympics as her sole goal for years now. Katie's lost fights. She's not invincible. While hoping she wins here, I don't think a loss is the worst thing in the world in the lead up to London

Been saying this for several years to anyone who wants to hear. The talent and depth and competitivenes at the top is very very good. Katie and several other girls can win this. Add this to the subjective nature of the sport and its judging process, and this is far from a certainty. I think if she is on top form she has the ability to beat anyone, but some of the other girsl also have that ability.

That is why I feel that if Taylor delivers the gold, it will have been a 6- 7 year journey at the top for her culminating in the ultimate prize, making her the finest athlete we have produced from recent years, and maybe ever. The pressure heaped on her is pretty huge. To deliver under all this pressure and expectation, and to be so hungry and committed for all them yeasr, well, that is what makes her a top class athlete.

Pisco Sour

walshb wrote: »

Been saying this for several years to anyone who wants to hear. The talent and depth and competitivenes at the top is very very good. Katie and several other girls can win this. Add this to the subjective nature of the sport and its judging process, and this is far from a certainty. I think if she is on top form she has the ability to beat anyone, but some of the other girsl also have that ability.

That is why I feel that if Taylor delivers the gold, it will have been a 6- 7 year journey at the top for her culminating in the ultimate prize, making her the finest athlete we have produced from recent years, and maybe ever. The pressure heaped on her is pretty huge. To deliver under all this pressure and expectation, and to be so hungry and committed for all them yeasr, well, that is what makes her a top class athlete.

She's no shoe in, that's for sure, and anybody who bothers to research will know this (most wont bother though). Having said that I'm surprised as to how easy qualification was for her: two hammerings and a no show. Add to that the fact that the world's are actually stronger than what the Olympics will be. 6 Europeans in the world quarter finals for example, but only 4 will go to London. Some of the boxers who will be in London only qualified due to being in a weak continent. I'd be VERY confident Katie will win a medal. In fact she probably will only have to win one fight to do so. We'll see how the rest of this week goes before I come to any conclusions about her favouritism for the gold medal in London.

jwilco

It great she is into the Olympic's but it's very unfair to put all the weight of having to win a gold medal in the Olympic's to proves how great she is.

walshb

04072511 wrote: »

We'll see how the rest of this week goes before I come to any conclusions about her favouritism for the gold medal in London.

Indeed. She could be unseated in the final, or win closely, either way, it will only ever make her a warm favourite. Put it this way, I would say Bolt is more a favorite for the 100 gold even with Gay and Blake at his heels, than Katie is over Ochigava.

Dodge

Not sure why you're surprised. She generally wins quite easily at start of tournaments.

Olympic quarters could be 4 European, Tajikistan, China, Brazil and USA. No easy fight for anyone there, nobody guarenteed a medal.

But she's a deserved favourite, of tht there's no question

Dodge

In other Olympic weights

51kg -8 of 9 spots filled
China
Russia, Poland, Britain
USA, Venezuala
Tunisia
New Zealand.

Mary Kom hoping Adams wins gold for GB to qualify her as 2nd Asian quota place

Dodge

At 75kgs 4 europeans have reached the semi finals with again Britain and Russia providing 2 of them. Sweden (who beat favourite Canadian Mary Spencer) and Azerbaijan are the other two

walshb

Dodge wrote: »

Not sure why you're surprised.

?

Is that for me?

Surprised at what?

Edit: I assume you are asking why anyone would be suprised that she would be a favourite for gold?

Yes, no suprise here. What I always said is that she is a luke warm favorite, and that I would not be suprised should she fail to medal.

It is that close at the top with these girls. Add in the scoring and a host of other things like injury, KO punch etc etc.

walshb

Dodge wrote: »

Not sure why you're surprised. She generally wins quite easily at start of tournaments.

But at the games I am doubting any match will be "easy". All top class in the tournament.

Dodge

walshb wrote: »

But at the games I am doubting any match will be "easy". All top class in the tournament.

Sorry, was intended for 04072511 and this comment

Having said that I'm surprised as to how easy qualification was for her: two hammerings and a no show.

First coupel of rounds in Worlds, euros are uniformly comfortbale for Katie. She won't have an easy easy fight from her until Olympic final. Even if its only 4/5 fights

Pisco Sour

Dodge wrote: »

Sorry, was intended for 04072511 and this comment



First coupel of rounds in Worlds, euros are uniformly comfortbale for Katie. She won't have an easy easy fight from her until Olympic final. Even if its only 4/5 fights

There's only 12 in the Olympics though. I'd imagine Katie, being seeded would get a bye. She'd have to win ONE fight to win a medal. Unless she draws the unseeded of Jonas and Ogichova in the first round then a medal will be a near formality, based on what we have seen in China this week. A gold on the otherhand is a different story. The next few days will tell. When's the semi by the way? Does anybody have the results of today? How much did the Brit and Russian win by?

walshb

04072511 wrote: »

There's only 12 in the Olympics though. I'd imagine Katie, being seeded would get a bye. She'd have to win ONE fight to win a medal. Unless she draws the unseeded of Jonas and Ogichova in the first round then a medal will be a near formality, based on what we have seen in China this week. A gold on the otherhand is a different story. The next few days will tell. When's the semi by the way? Does anybody have the results of today? How much did the Brit and Russian win by?

I'd go and get the results, but **** that, that AIBA website stinks!:)

Katie fights on Friday:

http://88.85.4.2/results-daily.fwx?id_compet=85&day=&cat=&nat=&decision=&session=&name=%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20&lang=

Jonas: The Lightweight star from Liverpool won their contest by a narrow 25:22 and will now be fighting Norway's Ingrid Egner for a place in the semi-finals.

Jonas defeated the Indian, Devi in that above quote.

Dodge updated for me. I am behind. Apologies.

Dodge

04072511 wrote: »

There's only 12 in the Olympics though. I'd imagine Katie, being seeded would get a bye. She'd have to win ONE fight to win a medal. Unless she draws the unseeded of Jonas and Ogichova in the first round then a medal will be a near formality, based on what we have seen in China this week.

My point is that one fight will be against US, brazil, Tajikistan or any of the Europeans. NONE of them are 'near formalities'

Todays QF results;

Tajikstan beat France 20-12
Russia beat Brazil 15-6
England beat Norway 23-9

Dodge

Quickest, and easiest to read, info is on the drawsheets page

http://88.85.4.2/results-draw-sheet06060_E.html

MarZ8ar

Thought I heard someone say that there would be live feeds available for the semis and the final. Anybody know if this is true or not? If so where will it be available?

Craptacular

For those who have yet to see Katie fight RTÉ2 are showing her semi final live from 8am on Friday. They'll be streaming it on the website too.

Dodge

MarZ8ar wrote: »

Thought I heard someone say that there would be live feeds available for the semis and the final. Anybody know if this is true or not? If so where will it be available?

Live on RTE 2 (on tv) and on RTE.ie at 8am on Friday

mjon3105

..... And for the Irish abroad also live streaming on aibaboxing.tv and also on the aiba channel on "you tube".

In USA also available via NBC sports and universal sports though latter occasionally charge a fee. All the bouts throughout Friday and Saturday will be on the aiba channels which will also benefit those of you who want to see the other bouts. And they will be free.

Not sure yet who will be commentary team. When at the aiba wsb team finals in excel centre couple of weeks ago they had very good commentary team who were seated next to me but at weekend quite likely to be their Asian team.

After a training session this morning following her walk over Taylor surprised the media present by effectively addressing an appeal to aiba to grant the tripartite invitation places to quality boxers like dong/underwood/Tatar/Mary Kom/spencer/shields rather than to unknowns as it was essential in her opinion that the Olympics should ensure that the world tv audience should see the world's best boxers in action. The aiba have not set any criteria for tripartite places this time round ... Unlike Beijing.... And the growing feeling is that the Taylor view will prevail plus one of the two Afghanistan boxers who have fought bravely again threats from friends, from enemies, from those who have been vociferous against the idea of women boxing and train in the very arena where so many locals lost their lives in the past 20 or more.

These brave young women have no chance of winning even one bout but usually reliable sources close to the aiba believe that the aiba wish to honour their bravery and also demonstrate to countries like Cuba and others that all women should have the opportunity of taking up boxing . Equally the general impression here is that locog and the I.O.C fully support the views of aiba.

Several very close bouts in china and thus far at least no sign of any repeat of trabzon ..even cheng dong lost by one point to Ochigava.... Many boxing fans even in england do not seem to understand just how "professional" the gb boxing set up is. Best in the amateur world now by far. All the three gb boxers in china are full time boxers based at English institute of sport in Sheffield 5 days a week and box not only against each other but also with the gb men's squad and are regularly sent to training camps to box their counterparts from Russia USA china etc...so no real surprise that they are doing so well in china.



Finally it is only a matter of time before the aiba add women's boxing to their world series of boxing programme and other new initiatives they are planning which should prove very attractive to such as Katie Taylor and perhaps ceire smith and make it a better proposition than turning pro in a sport which has few quality boxers in Europe ...little serious financial backing and almost no tv coverage for women's bouts in uk USA or elsewhere....true the suzi k and holly Holms are good but what would such as Taylor achieve having to fight the same few dozens of times each year and regularly fly across the Atlantic... Not an attractive proposition for someone who hates long distance flights is it? Too many people seem to believe that there are many 'million dollar babes' in the women's sport...... Nonsense.....even more so if she wins at Olympics Katie would have vastly greater potential earnings from commercial sources worldwide than ever she could make in pro boxing and remain in Ireland .

walshb

Katie, keep your mouth shut. Why make the gold even more difficult to obtain?

jayroyal

I don't think there is any seeding at the Olympics lads , that's what helped Kenny in Beijing as all the top guys where all draw against each other on the opposite side of the draw.

iLost

Dodge wrote: »

Live on RTE 2 (on tv) and on RTE.ie at 8am on Friday

Are you sure it's on TV?
I checked the online RTE listings and at 8am friday, the news is on.

Dan man

iLost wrote: »

Are you sure it's on TV?
I checked the online RTE listings and at 8am friday, the news is on.

http://www.rte.ie/sport/boxing/2012/0516/321201-rte-to-broadcast-taylor-semi/

mjon3105

the aiba already confirmed to me Several weeks ago that there would be 2 seeds for Olympics in all boxing weights male and female and it also appears on their website.... I am sure I wrote about this at the time on this forum though probably only in context of women's boxing at that time as was responding to a previous query on same subject. Hope that helps ....

jayroyal wrote: »

I don't think there is any seeding at the Olympics lads , that's what helped Kenny in Beijing as all the top guys where all draw against each other on the opposite side of the draw.

Dodge

walshb wrote: »

Katie, keep your mouth shut. Why make the gold even more difficult to obtain?

Because she sees herself as an ambassador for the sport. Personally I love the 'I'll take on all-comers' attitude too