Prison for clocking cars?

DubDani

Every time I read that someone has been found guilty clocking cars in the UK or Ireland it appears they get away with a small or (sometimes) heavy fine.

Just read that in Germany someone was sentenced to 2 and a half years in prison for clocking 23 cars. Does that sound excessive?

Anyone knows how other countries handle clocking offenses?

ShadowHearth

It's cheating and it is breaking the law.

Fair play to Germans. Less bull**** more action.

Guy:Incognito

Theres far more offences people should be going to jail for instead of being out to clock up 40 or 50 before keeping space for car clockers imo.

Saab Ed

DubDani wrote: »

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Just read that in Germany someone was sentenced to 2 and a half years in prison for clocking 23 cars. Does that sound excessive?

Yes, it does sound very OTT to be honest.

Heavy fines are the way to go for all involved. If someone is caught clocking then the individual should get a serious fine. If the individual works for a garage and the crime took place on the premises then the owner should be fined as well. Its the only way to knock it on the head.

If they fail to pay the fine then A) it should refect in their tax returns or if they are sole traders or out of work then it should be taken out of any social welfare assistance they are entitled to.

Prison is crazy for this offence though. Murderers go to prison.

tfitzgerald

I dont think it's unfair at all . Can you imagine buying a car with 40,000 miles on the clock only then to discover that there could be over three or four times that on it . Not only is it illegal it's a dangerous and stupid thing to do . I have zero sympathy for the person that got jailed

TheZ

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/courts/car-dealer-is-jailed-for-clocking-uk-imports-2444707.html
happens here too - one year sentence

djimi

Its fraud and should be treated and punished as such. What are the penalties for fraud in this country?

shawnee

djimi wrote: »

Its fraud and should be treated and punished as such. What are the penalties for fraud in this country?

You get a state pension :D:D

tfitzgerald

tfitzgerald wrote: »

........ Can you imagine buying a car with 40,000 miles on the clock only then to discover that there could be over three or four times that on it . ......... .........

Nope

CiniO

DubDani wrote: »

Anyone knows how other countries handle clocking offenses?

Yes I know how Poland handle clocking offences - in short, they just don't.

Everyone clocks cars there, so if you don't clock your car before sale, you are not going to sell it...

Cars over 200,000km mileage don't exist on second hand car market, even though lots of cars for sale is nearly 20 years old.

ShadowHearth

Saab Ed wrote: »

Yes, it does sound very OTT to be honest.

Heavy fines are the way to go for all involved. If someone is caught clocking then the individual should get a serious fine. If the individual works for a garage and the crime took place on the premises then the owner should be fined as well. Its the only way to knock it on the head.

If they fail to pay the fine then A) it should refect in their tax returns or if they are sole traders or out of work then it should be taken out of any social welfare assistance they are entitled to.

Prison is crazy for this offence though. Murderers go to prison.

got cough clocking 1 car - fine

got cough clocking 23 cars - jail looks like a really good punishment.

Saab Ed

ShadowHearth wrote: »

23 cars .

Yeah but 2 years in prison costs us a fortune. Fines for clocking 23 cars costs the offender a fortune.

ShadowHearth

Saab Ed wrote: »

Yeah but 2 years in prison costs us a fortune. Fines for clocking 23 cars costs the offender a fortune.

in a way you are right, it will cost tax payer, but he did not learned his lesson after first 10 times...

i dont mind paying tax in this case.

MidlandsM

Saab Ed wrote: »

Murderers go to prison.

and Garlic import tax dodgers.:rolleyes:

tfitzgerald

MidlandsM wrote: »

and Garlic import tax dodgers.:rolleyes:

They should let him out

Saab Ed

MidlandsM wrote: »

and Garlic import tax dodgers.:rolleyes:

Which is also total bollocks.

Anan1

tfitzgerald wrote: »

They should let him out

I'm not the biggest fan of incarceration, but the guy did steal €1 million from us. For car clocking i'd favour Saab Ed's approach.

challengemaster

Saab Ed wrote: »

Prison is crazy for this offence though. Murderers go to prison.

Usually for less time than that too. So where's the fault, in this sentence or in the judicial system?

In any other country I'd say prison is a perfectly reasonable sentence, in Ireland where the prison system is a joke and more like a holiday for criminals than punishment, and only costs the state money.... fines would be better

Saab Ed

Anan1 wrote: »

but the guy did steal €1 million from us. .

Tip of the ice berg as far as this country is concerned. When the lock up Quinn, Fingers and Lowry then we can worry about common thieves.

Guy:Incognito

Saab Ed wrote: »

Tip of the ice berg as far as this country is concerned. When the lock up Quinn, Fingers and Lowry then we can worry about common thieves.

What do you do though, just let everyone avoid tax if they can afford to not be a PAYE worker?

At the very least the guy should be paying back the tax money.


Either way, it suites people to demonise car clockers as it covers their own mistakes and laziness when buying cars. If people insisted on service histories and checked them when buyign cars, the ones with questionable histories would be left with sellers and a knock on effect would be people takign better care of cars and a reduction in the fraud.

Zaph

I actually knew someone who was jailed here about 20 years ago for clocking cars. Got 12 months iirc.

unkel

Anan1 wrote: »

I'm not the biggest fan of incarceration, but the guy did steal €1 million from us.

Let him pay the €1 million back plus interest and a €1 million fine. And give him a suspended sentence. Everybody wins instead of everybody loses...

MidlandsM

Sure the garlic guy WAS paying the money back? This country's mad!