Overeem Pulled Before Hearing. JDS V Mir

Be like Nutella

so are people saying here that there are many UFC fighters who are still fighting for the promotion and have had many fights who have been busted for PED use, served their time and now still fight for the UFC?
I don't believe that, and I don't believe that most UFC fighters or even many UFC fighters who fight regularly use PEDs. I know about the Sherks etc but it ain't a long list. And yeah I will probably still watch every single UFC ever, steroids or not : ) but at the time I totally meant it : )


Steroid busts by year:
’02: 1
’03: 1
’04: 1
’05: 1
’06: 4
’07: 14 (!)
’08: 5
’09: 4
’10: 2
’11: 2
’12: 3

Steroid busts by commission:
NSAC: 12
CSAC: 23
UFC’s independent testing: 3



http://www.cagepotato.com/mma-steroid-busts-definitive-timeline/

Plastikman_eire

Be like Nutella wrote: »

so are people saying here that there are many UFC fighters who are still fighting for the promotion and have had many fights who have been busted for PED use, served their time and now still fight for the UFC?
I don't believe that, and I don't believe that most UFC fighters or even many UFC fighters who fight regularly use PEDs. I know about the Sherks etc but it ain't a long list. And yeah I will probably still watch every single UFC ever, steroids or not : ) but at the time I totally meant it : )

Busted in the UFC, and still fought for the UFC:

Sonnen
Marquardt
Sherk
Franca
Sylvia
Bonnar
Leben
Thiago Silva


Signed by UFC, after failing elsewhere:

Hallman
Bigfoot
Belfort
Baroni

Some on the list might since have been cut, or in the case of Sonnen weaseled their way out of trouble, but i think its safe to say that prior cheating doesnt bother zuffa all that much.

Be like Nutella

fair enough but you're still talkin about a few guys out of hundreds in the UFC in the last 5 years and of that list only 5 or 6 contenders so I'm saying the sport isn't ruined by juicers yet like cycling is and with this whole Overeem controversy the in-house testing will just get more strict and Dana will take no bull**** from now on. A one year ban for a fighter in his prime is a massive blow to a career, I doubt there's many currently at the top of each weight group juicing within the UFC right now.

Plastikman_eire

Be like Nutella wrote: »

fair enough but you're still talkin about a few guys out of hundreds in the UFC in the last 5 years and of that list only 5 or 6 contenders so I'm saying the sport isn't ruined by juicers yet like cycling is and with this whole Overeem controversy the in-house testing will just get more strict and Dana will take no bull**** from now on. A one year ban for a fighter in his prime is a massive blow to a career, I doubt there's many currently at the top of each weight group juicing within the UFC right now.

I thought we were just talking about guys who got caught, getting another shot?

With regards to the sport as a whole; I've heard comments from fighters along the lines of "There are two types of athletes fighting at the top level, guys who use PED's and guys who get caught using PED's" and I think it was Dennis Hallman who claimed that his most conversative estimate was that 70% of top flight guys were using.

Be like Nutella

I don't doubt that grass roots MMA comps are full of fighters using PEDs... mind you I have nothing to back that up and neither does anyone else but I wouldn't argue with the opinion. But are the majority of say the top 15 guys in each weight group in the UFC right now using PEDs? and not getting caught? what do you think? I don't think so.. partly because I don't want to think so but also because there is testing in place and a lot of these guys are in the UFC for years getting tested regularly so I doubt they're doing it. There's something like 200/300 fighters on their books filling 20-25 cards annually with an awful lot of fighters with 5-10 fights in the UFC already over 2-3 years and you're talkin only 4 or 5 busted in the last 3 or 4 years out of all that. That would seem to say that there isn't a huge problem at the top of the game i.e. within the UFC right now.

Plastikman_eire

Be like Nutella wrote: »

I don't doubt that grass roots MMA comps are full of fighters using PEDs... mind you I have nothing to back that up and neither does anyone else but I wouldn't argue with the opinion. But are the majority of say the top 15 guys in each weight group in the UFC right now using PEDs? and not getting caught? what do you think? I don't think so.. partly because I don't want to think so but also because there is testing in place and a lot of these guys are in the UFC for years getting tested regularly so I doubt they're doing it. There's something like 200/300 fighters on their books filling 20-25 cards annually with an awful lot of fighters with 5-10 fights in the UFC already over 2-3 years and you're talkin only 4 or 5 busted in the last 3 or 4 years out of all that. That would seem to say that there isn't a huge problem at the top of the game i.e. within the UFC right now.

TBH i would think there is less use at the grass root level, I'd have thought the cost of PEDS would out weight what you can make fighting on small shows?

Personally I dont want to believe that guys at the upper levels of the sport are roiding, but im guessing guys like Hallman are more informed than I am.

Regards the testing, until recently afaik its been quite easy to work around, fighters know that they will be tested after a fight so cycle off within plenty of time to allow them to piss clean.

Personally, I say lift the ban, FORCE fighters to use! Then we get to sit back and watch as a bunch of angry, paranoid manbeasts with tiny testicles tear each other apart!

Be like Nutella

hahaha ok so there's no hope then everyone's juicin right so.

Mellor

Plastikman_eire wrote: »

TBH i would think there is less use at the grass root level, I'd have thought the cost of PEDS would out weight what you can make fighting on small shows?

I doubt the cost is that high. Thousands of recreational gym goers are taking PEDs. Making a monetary gain isn't the primary factor here either. Most people are just aiming for "Bigger, Stronger, Faster*"


Edit, to clarify. I'm suggest that PED use is far more rampant among recreational gym goers than regional level fighters.

UL_heart_throb

Be like Nutella wrote: »

I don't doubt that grass roots MMA comps are full of fighters using PEDs... mind you I have nothing to back that up and neither does anyone else but I wouldn't argue with the opinion.

Holy ****e how are you getting free reign in this thread. You obviously don't have a ****ing clue what you're talking about or who you're talking to.

You've basically accused every person that competes in MMA in Ireland of using PEDs. Surely this is against the charter.

Kev M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1-EYyWCtmg

Yourwellcum

UL_heart_throb wrote: »

Holy ****e how are you getting free reign in this thread. You obviously don't have a ****ing clue what you're talking about or who you're talking to.

You've basically accused every person that competes in MMA in Ireland of using PEDs. Surely this is against the charter.

I dont think he did. He sadi he woudlnt argue with the opinion that there may be fighters at grass roots level using PEDs. He also said he had no evidence either way.

The guy has an opinion and laid it out quite carefully.

Mr. Loverman

UL_heart_throb wrote: »

Holy ****e how are you getting free reign in this thread. You obviously don't have a ****ing clue what you're talking about or who you're talking to.

You've basically accused every person that competes in MMA in Ireland of using PEDs. Surely this is against the charter.

No he hasn't.

Kind of ironic the person falsely accusing someone of making outlandish statements is making one himself... :pac: