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Is Mourinho the best manager of modern times?

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,704 ✭✭✭G.K.


    I agree, Mourinho is the best at the moment, I was just respoding to those who said Guardiola isn't great.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,661 ✭✭✭✭Helix


    the word great is just bandied about too much

    "that chicken dinner was great" - that was a nice chicken dinner
    "that manager is a great" - that manager is one of the best in the history of the game

    for now guardiola is the chicken dinner use of great


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,735 ✭✭✭dirtyden


    Helix wrote: »
    the word great is just bandied about too much

    "that chicken dinner was great" - that was a nice chicken dinner
    "that manager is a great" - that manager is one of the best in the history of the game

    for now guardiola is the chicken dinner use of great

    Thanks for that.

    How insightful.


    For my two cents, the current Barcelona team is Guardiola's team. He built the side from his principles of how football should be played and I for one am damn glad he did.

    He rebuilt the side from the Ronaldinho/Deco/Etoo/Rijkard era and has created the most entertaining and best club side I have ever seen. I just think it is a pity his legacy is not three champions leagues in a row or some such historical feat.

    He is a great manager. Mourinho is also a great manager but in a very different way. Mourinho is an amazing guy, a born leader and master tactician but he wont leave a legacy in football like Guardiolas team will.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,625 ✭✭✭flyswatter


    opr wrote: »
    The bond he creates between himself and the players seems incredible. I mean the manlove towards him from Porto, Chelsea and Inter players after he left is amazing. I was only reading an interview with Joe Cole which he did last week and when asked the question straight away he answers Mourinho is the man he attributes as the best he has worked under. He loves creating this us against the world siege mentality which seems to really help develop bonds very quickly between himself and the players but also the bonds between the players.





    Indeed, he turned Cole from a luxury player into a hard working player with skill.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,267 ✭✭✭opr


    Good recent ITV4 documentary on him. The bits from Ferguson certainly seemed to be laying the ground work for him possibility taking over at United.



    Opr


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,267 ✭✭✭opr


    Thought this was interesting. Looking forward to the next two parts.

    Jose Mourinho Tactical Thinking – Part 1 - By Gary Curneen.

    I have been a fan of Jose Mourinho for many years. When the opportunity came to watch him work first hand with Real Madrid in Los Angeles, I signed up for the NSCAA Course right away. I have observed numerous training sessions at professional clubs with top coaches before, but this was different. I expected to get an insight to how he worked on the practice field and hear his football philosophy – what I got however, was much, much more. An insight to life at the top end of world football, a chance to see what level of organization it takes to be successful, and what techniques are used to get the best out of the best. To summarize the course in one blog would do it an injustice. Therefore, I will do three blogs that will cover his training sessions, the work of his staff, including right-hand man, Rui Faria, and this current blog, his presentation on his leadership and philosophies.

    I just arrived on campus at UCLA to register for the NSCAA event on Sunday afternoon when Jose Mourinho and his assistant coaches were on the way to the training pitch for the afternoon session. Initially, I thought this trip would be both a public relations and commercial exercise for the Spanish giants, so expected Mourinho to be all smiles and signing autographs. He did sign a few but I did not witness a smile. A familiar face at the entrance to the field greeted him warmly and welcomed him back to UCLA. ”Welcome back Jose, look forward to catching up after your session”, the official said with excitement. “How is the pitch?” was Mourinho’s quick response. That was my first sign of why he is so successful. All business. When the boots were on and the clipboard was by his side, he had time for only work. Professional, polite, but here to do a job with his team.

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    The hugely anticipated presentation for the NSCAA group, took place in between two training sessions. Mourinho brought his staff along (six in total) who would take turns in discussing their role in the Real Madrid empire. Mourinho himself would discuss his beliefs and leadership. As he introduced his staff, Mourinho pointed out that they were all wearing fluorescent yellow Adidas shirts “like traffic wardens”. He explained that the reason for this was for the players to know the difference between coaches and players, both on and off the field. Coaches have to stand out at all time so players must not pass them the ball by mistake. Very simple, he stated, “but it works very well for us.” Mourinho’s first slide was titled, “The Secret of Our Success.” The bullet points were:

    - Leadership

    - Group/ Team

    - Connections

    - Relationships

    He told us that these were not in order of importance, and instead felt that relationships were vital because “when things go bad, relationships keep control and balance in the team.” Mourinho then discussed the types of leadership that are consistent with his approach.

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    Charismatic Leadership

    This is something which he has become famous for. I would define it as the “Special One” image that has become synonymous with his managerial style. He started by explaining that this brings a lot of negatives by the media because of the focus on image and the fact that it opens the door to criticism. However, it is clear that he believes strongly in this form of leadership because of the effect it has on his players. The two areas he discussed were “non-traditional behaviors” and “sensibility for players needs”. Despite having not been a top player himself, experience has taught him to recognize what these needs are. As for “non-traditional behaviors”, he claims to “work on it and gamble with it”. The first thought that entered my head was the 100 yard dash down the sideline at Old Trafford when his Porto team scored to knock Manchester United out of the Champions League. A “gamble” that helped shape his career. His touchline behavior, which is sometimes controversial, is always planned. “I feel sometimes that I’m playing the game. And sometimes the players demand that of me.”

    Transformational Leadership

    Here Mourinho stressed “Intellectual Intelligence”. He explained to us that he wants his players thinking all the time, even if it means wondering what kind of response they will get from the coach. “Every player is a player, every man is a man”, Mourinho explained. He will treat them fairly, but not maybe not equally. Different actions will trigger different responses.

    Mourinho then began to discuss what is the most difficult side of leadership. He believes the goals of his group of players can sometimes be different from that of the club. He told us that he struggles to go from the effects on the group (team) to the club philosophy. He wants to control the group but has no interest in controlling the club itself. Common objectives and principles may not be consistent with club philosophy. Here, I believe Mourinho would have to fight a lot of his battles within the club structure. Perhaps commerical or financial interests of the club, may conflict with how he would like to work. As he showed a photo of the victorious Real Madrid, he explained that “the end should always be just the start of it”. This will be a huge message to send to his current group of players as this is only the third club he will have spent over two years with.

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    Emotional Intelligence

    For me, this was the most interesting topic that Mourinho covered because it gave us an insight into two managerial skills that separate him from the rest: how he motivates and deals with pressure. “Books help but you have to be in the active life to understand.” He defined Emotional Intelligence as:

    - Coping with Pressue

    - Sharing Emotions

    - Create Forever Links

    Mourinho copes with pressure by training himself and his people. Again, he is always consciously aware of messages he is sending by his actions and body language. How he gets players and teams to stick together and work hard, Mourinho said, “I motivate others with my own motivation. Your motivation must be the engine so the players must then go with you.” This led him to explain how he always tries to create a family atmosphere where he works, to the extent that he uses his own family as a framework.

    “I have no problems to kiss, cry with, or kick my players. Everything belongs to the family. I learn this from my wife and my own family. In my family, we are open to be criticized by my kids and the same applies to my players. You must be open in order to share emotions and ideas.”

    Mourinho then asked his staff how long they have been working together. When one informed him that it has been since 2001, Mourinho then explained that he and his staff have worked with many players over the past 12 years, but when they move on to another club, they never view the player as an ex-player. Instead, once you play for Mourinho and his staff, you are always one of ‘theirs’. “Forever is forever”, he told us. This is a unique bond that is not evident in professional football. Again, by creating this bond with the players, he can get top performances for a long period of time.

    Integrated Leadership

    He touched briefly on this and defined it as every aspect of training. The “complexity of operation” means that if one aspect of their work is not where they need it to be, it can have effect other areas. Therefore, Mourinho’s attention to detail is not limited to tactics or training techniques, but instead to every aspect of the club that can effect his players.

    As Mourinho handed the microphone over to his coaching staff, his presentation was never quite done. He sat on the edge of his chair and constantly added or politely interrupted his assistant coaches as they explained their role in the club. He believes in the complexity of each relationship at the football club and so must manage it accordingly. He looks at his players as people, who need to be managed, motivated, and given special attention to. He also understands the importance of his own behavior. Although he admits having to “gamble” with his actions, he is always in control of them and that is key. Top players must love it, and most importantly, they respond to it. I would suggest that the ‘special one’ tag would be used just as much by these players, as the fans and media.

    http://leopoldmethod.com.au/jose-mourinho-tactical-thinking-part-1/

    Opr


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,267 ✭✭✭opr


    Jose Mourinho Tactical Thinking – Part 2 By Gary Curneen.

    Having read so much about the Jose Mourinho “coaching experience”, I felt as though I was taking my place in the stands for something very special. Like his presentation earlier on that day, it did not disappoint. I can honestly say that every aspect of the training session was done with a higher level of organization, quicker tempo, and a degree of quality that I have ever before witnessed. Clipboard on his side and always directing the exercises, the biggest thing that impressed me watching Mourinho was that he was actually coaching! His voice carried throughout the session while his body langauge was always positive and animated. Do not let the expensive suits on match day fool you, Mourinho is a “tracksuit manager” and his methods involve him and his staff working almost as hard as the players. With the exercises changing as quickly as Ronaldo and Kaka were driving past players, I have done my best to record as much of the two practice sessions as possible.


    First Session:

    The players began with a warm-up with Assistant Coach, Rui Faria. This was dynamic and static stretching combined with speed and agility work. This lasted for 15 minutes.

    After this, the players walked over to the session. There were 20 players taking part in the main session. This did not include the goalkeepers, who were working together alongside the Goalkeeper Coach. The players were split up into two teams, and then split again into four teams of five.

    The multi-functional session involved two parts. The two teams of five on the inside played 5v5. The two teams of five on the outside (A and B) did speed, agility work combined with shooting. The first player played two wall passes into the coach, before performing ladder work and going through mannequins and finishing with a shot. After the shot, player retrieved his ball from the goal and joined the back group B. Therefore, groups A and B were constantly rotating so that the players got about 5 shots in. (See diagram below)

    Mourinho1-2.jpg

    You can see a short video on the quality of shooting at Video link - look out for the Ronaldo strike at the end.

    The group inside playing 5v5 did so inside approximately a 30×15 yard area. The blue team defended the goals marked “A” and the red team defended the goals marked “B”. There was a half-way line which prevented the the players from scoring within their own half. (See diagram below)

    mourinho5v5-2.jpg

    Team Shape:

    After a short break, the team then moved across to the other field where the next exercise took place. The goalkeepers joined the team and they set up to play 11v11. The field was organized with a 20×40 grid inside the halfway line. Both teams played a 4-2-3-1 formation and Mourinho carefully explained the patterns that they would work on. After one team finished their pattern play with an attempt on goal, the other team then performed the same pattern on the other goal. (See diagram below)

    Mourinho2-2.jpg

    First Pattern:

    Ball starts with the goalkeeper.

    1 – Keeper plays the ball to the right fullback

    2 – Right fullback passes to center back

    3 – Center back opens up the play and passes to advancing fullback on other side

    4 – Left fullback passes ball inside to center midfielder

    mourinho-shape1-2.jpg

    With these four passes building up the attack, it allows the team to advance further forward as a unit, thus allowing the outside fullbacks to move beyond the halfway line.

    5 – Center midfielder plays wide to advancing right back

    6 – Right back plays into center forward

    7 – Center forward sets attacking midfielder

    8 – Attacking midfielder can play either forward who is high up the field.

    mourinho-shape2-2.jpg

    Second Pattern:

    The second attacking pattern from play again started from the goalkeeper and worked the ball across the back four initially, allowing the team to push up as a unit.

    1 – Keeper played the left back

    2 – Left back passes to center back

    3 – Center back passes to other center back

    4 – 2nd center back plays the ball into the midfield and then goes for the return

    5 – Midfielder plays a return to central defender in the midfield zone

    mourinho-shape3-2.jpg

    Once the central defender ‘bounces’ the ball off the center midfielder

    6 – Central defender plays ball into center forward

    7 – Center forward drops the ball back to attacking midfielder

    8 – Attacking midfielder then plays the ball to either wide forward. Forwards then combine passes for a finish.

    mourinho-shape4-2.jpg

    The four attacking players then combine for a finish, which sometimes took another five passes.

    Both patterns took 10 minutes each.

    Small Sided Game:

    The Real Madrid players then took a 3 minute break before resuming on the same field. The six forwards involved in the pattern play before were then split up. Three of them became neutral players in the 7v7 game, while the other three did some functional training on the field adjacent.

    The field was reduced and the players played a 7v7 game with 3 neutral players. The neutral players always played for the attacking team and combine with the midfielders for a shot on goal. (See below)

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    Tactical Game:

    The session finished with a tactical game. Six reds, along with four yellows, played against ten blue players in a tight area. The yellow players were forwards from the earlier sessions and were placed in yellow, as oppose to red like their teammates, in order to highlight their movement. The objective of the game was to play the ball out from the back under pressure, and find the yellow players high up the field. The blue team were ordered to press/pressure the ball in numbers at all times. Even at this level, the success rate was not very high, but the tempo and pressure on the ball put a huge emphasis on movement by the attacking players and it was still all performed at a high level.

    After changing the attacking players, along with the reds and blues changing roles, they performed one set each of ten minutes. The players then stretched together for ten minutes before concluding the practice

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    Session 2:

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    The second session of the day took place at 5pm. Again, the Real Madrid players did a 15 minute warm-up routine with Rui Faria before taking a short water break and playing 8v2?s in a small area for ten minutes. This exercise was designed to get the players loose and was not part of the main session.

    1st Exercise:

    Players were split into two groups of ten. Five players were inside the grid with a ball each and five players stood outside the grid. On the coaches first whistle, the players inside the grid dribbled around under no pressure for ten seconds. The second whistle allowed the players on the outside to come in and challenge them, only after doing the short explosive exercise at the cones. The players inside the grid had to protect their ball for 10 seconds. On the third whistle, both sides recovered back to their initial starting position. The exercise lasted for four minutes before the players inside and outside the grid changed places. Overall, there were two sets before the players took a break. (See diagram below)

    mourinho-drill7-2.jpg

    2nd Exercise:

    The squad was split into two groups and each one worked inside the 18 yard box. Four reds attacked four blues, with two yellow players acting as neutral players. The objective was to create chances playing in a tight, congested 18 yard box. Different movement patterns were used by the attacking team, while the blues made sure they always pressed the ball and kept a solid line. If the blues did win the ball back, they were to try and keep possession while the red team tried to win it back as quick as possible. This added a transitional aspect to the exercise, which Rui Faria had earlier told us was crucial. (See below)

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    Exercise 3:

    The Real Madrid squad then moved on to what looked like a simple possession exercise with target players. However, this was a lot more tactical than I first believed. The target players outside the area (in yellow) were all the defenders – Pepe, Ramos, Arbeloa,Varane etc. The target players instructions were to ‘bounce’ the ball off a player in the middle, and switch the point of attack to another yellow, who would attempt to do the same. With a small area and a lot of players, this would seem like a difficult exercise. However, with the red and blue players both opting to play the ball straight back to a yellow player and let them change the point of attack, it really flowed well.

    You can see in the diagram below that the short combination passes (1 and 3) draw in the opposition, while the long passes (2 and 4) open the play up. This is a pattern that you will see time and time again when watching the back four in possession at Real Madrid.

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    Tactical Pattern Play:

    The team then moved across to the other field to work on pattern play. Similar to earlier in the day, the attacking team (red) were set up with three attackers playing high and wide, and then with a withdrawn forward so it looked as if they were attacking with four high up the pitch. Blues were set-up to defend with seven players ( a back four with three center midfielders), while the reds attacked with eight (four across the midfield and four high up top).

    First Pattern:

    The pattern started with a continuation from the last exercise. The ball went across the back four and ‘bounced’ into the midfielder as the defender then opened up the play to the other side. After this happened three times, the fullback received the ball and looked forward (1) . As he opened up, the outside forward checked out of his area, creating space for the center forward to go in (3). The fullback the played a ball down the line for the forward to come onto and try to get turned (2). When the forward received the ball, the other forwards had already made their way to the box to combine for a finish. (See diagram below)

    mourinho-drill-10-2.jpg

    Second Pattern:

    This again involved the ball being circulated across the midfield line for three/four times before the attack started. This time when the full back received the ball (1), he passed it short to the outside forward (2). The outside forward came inside with the ball (3) and the center forward check into space in the channel, creating space (4). The outside forward then played a cross field pass to the other outside forward (5) who had space to create a shot on goal himself, or combine with a supporting player.

    mourinho-drill-11-2.jpg

    The last 15 minutes of training involved a 9v9 game in a small area with plenty of opportunities for attacks and shots on goal. Despite the second session of pre-season training, when Jose Mourinho called time on the game, the players were complaining and begging to continue. I was right there with them. Following two training sessions with this kind of organization and quality, I could have kept watching very easily. Mourinho was having none of it however. The backpack was on and he was done for the day. The rest of us were not too hard done by: I got to experience something that was very special indeed, and the players get to do it all again the very next day. Everyone is a winner with Jose Mourinho.

    http://leopoldmethod.com.au/jose-mourinho-tactical-thinking-part-2/

    Opr


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,267 ✭✭✭opr


    Jose Mourinho Tactical Thinking – Part 3 By Gary Curneen.

    One of the many nice surprises on the ‘NSCAA Jose Mourinho Tactical Thinking Course’ was the fact that he brought his entire staff along with him for the presentation. Mourinho’s staff included Rui Faria, Aitor Karanka, Silvino Louro, Luis Campos, Santiago Lozano, Carlos Lalín and José Morais. Each of them would discuss the area in which they specialized in. Like Mourinho himself, the presentation was a lesson in attention to detail and the neccessary steps for a top European club to function. Despite joking and looking comfortable in each others company, this was a group of professional men who believed that wins and losses are all in the detail. The first thing that struck me, was that fact that they had a few academics among them, who have studied at top universities across Europe and were well aware of how to collect and analyze information that would be vital in helping to develop methods and programs.

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    Up first was Mourinho’s high profile assistant coach, Rui Faria. Faria is well know to be Mourinho’s right hand man, never too far away from him on the Porto, Chelsea, Inter Milan, and Real Madrid benches. Faria is always referred to as a ‘Fitness Coach’, however, Mourinho dismissed that label right away. He explained to us that Faria has the same sports science qualifications as himself, so would refuse to give him that title. As Faria began his presentation, you could tell that it was not a million miles away from that of Mourinho’s views himself. His first slide, he explained, is the philosophy that guides the team with their training methods (see below).

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    The language barrier made this slightly difficult to understand through the chart, but luckily Faria explained it very well. Basically, the “Operationalization of Complexity” is all the areas within the football department that they have to work with. They then study at this model with the playing personnel available and find out what style of play will be most effective. With that determined, Faria and Mourinho can then work together to make sure that the training methodology is geared towards this style and is always connected to the game. Personally, I see both Mourinho and Faria look first at the desired destination for the team, and plan backwards to great effect. Faria added that there was a “Play Culture” that he defined as players knowing exactly what their individual roles and the collective roles are within the team. This is where Mourinho wishes to arrive to.

    Easy right? Not quite. Faria certainly does not believe that his role is straightforward. “The most difficult thing is getting the right exercises. The one that the manager thinks about and helps select the best ones.” As Faria discussed training methodology, Mourinho could not help himself from getting involved. Mourinho explained that the selection of training exercises should always be consistent with the way you would like to play. “You can’t create a contradiction with the idea you want for the game.” Mourinho added, “If your team does not play from the back during the game, do not incorporate this in to your exercises.” He went on to answer what the rest of the world has always questioned – where does he get his training drills/exercises? ”Don’t go to books or websites.First decide how you want to play. Think about it and sleep on it. From that idea, the exercise then arrives.” Mourinho was on a roll, and then explained how he and his staff got the players to perform the expected tasks when they are required most – during a game. “Some players are smart and can see what you are asking them to do. Other players are not as smart and these players are usually pure intuition. They learn what to do because they learn automatic movements without thinking.” I think this is another example of why Mourinho is a players coach. All players can relate to his work on the training ground as he has different objectives for both, and keeps it all within his framework.

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    Rui Faria then touched upon the details of the training sessions. Each session would include tactical, technical, physical and cognitive elements. Again, Faria explained with the help of a chart how these all came together in a session. (See table below). The “Competitive/ Intensity” created concentration and awareness for the players. The “Details of the Sessions” included space, number of players, and principles. The “Pattern and Repetition” referred to the organization of what tactical element they were looking to work on that week. The end result was “Creation of Habits” which they believed would take them through games with the desired level of performance and result.

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    Jose Morais was next up and he covered ‘Team Analysis’. His task was a complex one – analyze games and answer all the demands for the manager. He did not mind sharing that Mourinho was a hard man to work for, because he constantly focuses on small details. He breaks a game down by focusing on the ‘Offensive’ and ‘Defensive’ organization of a team. Offensively, Morais looks at the following:

    Style of play
    Change of rhythm and direction
    Game orientation (What is their focus in getting the ball?)
    Do they have talented players who can cause problems?
    Defensive organization focuses on shape, marking patterns, and breaking the team into sections e.g. Do attacking players pressure the ball immediately after losing it? The attention to detail in these reports was always of the highest degree because that is the base of how you prepare for a match, Morais explained. However, Mourinho was quick to point out that the information given to the players could not be as detailed. “Do not give thousands of information pieces to players.” Mourinho added, “It has to be short and objective.” Well aware of the attention span of a modern day footballer, Mourinho does not bombard the players with all the information in one meeting. Instead, there is a a video produced with 2/3 clips of each area of attention. During the week before a game at Real Madrid, this video is constantly playing in the locker room, medical room, cafeteria, and weights room. Another great example of influencing players with methods that may be slightly different to everyone else.

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    As the presentation continued, they covered the Scouting and Recruitment of Players. The biggest factors in bringing in a player to Real Madrid are the needs of the team, injuries, and the marketplace. He explained that, after initially watching a player play 6-8 times on TV or specialized websites, they then watch the player 2-3 times live. When evaluating a player, they look at the following:

    Connection with the ball
    Connection with ball and opponent
    Connection with ball and teammate and opponent
    Connection with ball and teammates and opponents
    After evaluating the player, they then report back to Mourinho with a grade between 1-5 of how much they value the player. Mourinho makes the call but seems more than comfortable to trust his staff to evaluate the talent level needed to play for the Spanish giants.

    Goalkeeper Coach, Silvino Louro, used a lot of diagrams and bar charts to show the training patterns of goalkeepers. Most of the factors he talked about related to physical rather than technical. The records of injuries went down to sessions, days, times, and always looked for patterns and any correlation they could find. If the keeper was fit enough and could train for periods of high intensity, he had a good chance of success they felt. There has not been much turnover in that department at Real Madrid for quite some time, so this possibly was the easier task of the coaching staff. When we watched the two training sessions, Iker Casillas arrived first for both and I was impressed by his workrate, especially with his warm-up routines involving his footwork.

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    Mourinho concluded the presentation with a short Q&A. He told us that he does not have role models in the game. Instead, he explained, his family and parents are the ones he looks up to. He also learns more from his players than fellow coaches, because he does not have enough time to share things with coaches. When asked what is the most difficult aspect in working with today’s global stars, Mourinho replied that the getting the players to “think as a team” is a great challenge. “Every player has money, entourage, influences, so the first and most important step is to learn how to live together, in a team philosophy.” The last question was certainly the most intriguing as Mourinho was asked how he handles he weaknesses. He explained that every team has a weakness and, like everyone else, he tries to hide. He focuses on his strengths and did exactly this as he made one last comment regarding having to act like he was perfect to everyone outside the room. He then jumped off the stage and went straight to practice, not wanting to miss the preparation time needed before the session started. Although, having just listened to his assistant coaches, I think they probably had it covered.

    http://leopoldmethod.com.au/jose-mourinho-tactical-thinking-part-3/

    Opr


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,570 ✭✭✭Ulysses Gaze


    Wut?

    You vastly overstate Guardiola's importance. Cruyff revolutionised conventions. Beckenbauer revolutionised conventions.

    Guardiola simply managed Messi, Xavi and Iniesta in their prime to dominance in Spain and Europe.

    I dont want to diminish his achievements but I firmly believe that a team of Messi, Xavi, Iniesta plus the likes of Villa, Ibrahimovic or Eto, Valdes etc etc would have been dominant anyway. He was an important part of Barcalonas progress, but he was not a revolutionary.

    You underestimate the importance of Guardiola and his man management and tactical skills though.

    Look at the Real Madrid of the Galacticos era - after 2002 they failed to win the title for 4 years. Even with, pound for pound, the best squad on the planet. Zidane, Figo, Raul, Ronaldo, Beckham, Roberto Carlos - they'd won two Champions Leagues in 3 years at that stage and domestic titles. Surely any old idiot could come in and a) manage the egos and b) get them to win - sure they had the best players in the World playing for them at the time. Surely they#d be dominant.

    Not so simple though for the guys who tried though until Capello came in.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,985 ✭✭✭mikeym


    Id go for Alex Ferguson.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭Iang87


    He has beaten them with Messi, Xavi and Iniesta. Move to Italy, and then beat Mourinho/Fergie most times he plays them, and then we'll talk greatest ever.

    You are aware using that logic fergie needs to move to italy or wherever to beat mourinho and pep to be considered a great


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,495 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Iang87 wrote: »
    You are aware using that logic fergie needs to move to italy or wherever to beat mourinho and pep to be considered a great

    No, that logic does not necessarily follow. If Guardiola had remained at Barca, sold Messi, Xavi and Iniesta and then rebuilt the team back to winning leagues and European cups, then I would have no problem proclaiming him one of the greats.

    In one sense, Fergie has managed three or four different teams, they just all happened to be at Old Trafford.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,262 ✭✭✭✭GavRedKing


    No, that logic does not necessarily follow. If Guardiola had remained at Barca, sold Messi, Xavi and Iniesta and then rebuilt the team back to winning leagues and European cups, then I would have no problem proclaiming him one of the greats.

    In one sense, Fergie has managed three or four different teams, they just all happened to be at Old Trafford.

    Fergie didnt sell his best players and build from the ground up, Fergie, like Pep, kept his best talent, sold some dead wood and players that werent needed and introduced youth players to blend the squad.

    There was also some transfers from both that begered belief, Eto'o/Ronaldinho and Stam spring to mind but both hardly cost the clubs in the long run.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,424 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    Super manager. His record speaks for that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,495 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    GavRedKing wrote: »
    Fergie didnt sell his best players and build from the ground up, Fergie, like Pep, kept his best talent, sold some dead wood and players that werent needed and introduced youth players to blend the squad.

    There was also some transfers from both that begered belief, Eto'o/Ronaldinho and Stam spring to mind but both hardly cost the clubs in the long run.

    I dont think its really the point whether he sold the players, or they retired naturally. Say Xavi, Iniesta and Messi retired in ten years if you wish, the point still stands. Fergie may not have managed in Italy or Spain, but he can rightly claim to waive that requirement due to continued success over a very extended length of time. If Guardiola remained at Barca for 26 years and refreshed the team 3+ times then he could waive that requirement also, but he hasn't.

    Thats the original point. Guardiola has managed one big team, and because that team had some of the greatest players of all time there are legitimate questions about how much was the manager and how much was the players. If he recreates that success at Bayern, then and only then can you make a case for Guardiola being as good as Mourinho.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,000 ✭✭✭mitosis


    I dont think its really the point whether he sold the players, or they retired naturally. Say Xavi, Iniesta and Messi retired in ten years if you wish, the point still stands. Fergie may not have managed in Italy or Spain, but he can rightly claim to waive that requirement due to continued success over a very extended length of time. If Guardiola remained at Barca for 26 years and refreshed the team 3+ times then he could waive that requirement also, but he hasn't.

    Thats the original point. Guardiola has managed one big team, and because that team had some of the greatest players of all time there are legitimate questions about how much was the manager and how much was the players. If he recreates that success at Bayern, then and only then can you make a case for Guardiola being as good as Mourinho.

    I agree. Ferguson and Guardiola are not in the same league as Mourinho. But that's because Jose is a near unique talent - the only other manager I can think of that comes close is Capello.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,580 ✭✭✭✭CSF


    Mourinho = Ferguson > Guardiola


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,118 ✭✭✭✭Quazzie


    CSF wrote: »
    Mourinho = Ferguson > Guardiola

    Guardiola produced a better team than both of them put together.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,296 ✭✭✭RandolphEsq


    Guardiola took a Barca team, dismantled it, and made a new team Etoo, Ronaldinho and Deco were players he got rid of. Xavi was out of form at the time. He nourished Messi (who played right wing) and helped him become the best player ever. Pedro and Busquets had their breakthrough under Pep.

    My point is that Pep didn't just inherit a successful team. He built upon the foundations he was given to create arguably the greatest team in history.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,570 ✭✭✭Ulysses Gaze


    Guardiola took a Barca team, dismantled it, and made a new team Etoo, Ronaldinho and Deco were players he got rid of. Xavi was out of form at the time. He nourished Messi (who played right wing) and helped him become the best player ever. Pedro and Busquets had their breakthrough under Pep.

    My point is that Pep didn't just inherit a successful team. He built upon the foundations he was given to create arguably the greatest team in history.

    Good point.

    And anyone else think what Ferguson achieved at Aberdeen is actually greater than at United? Given the relative sizes of the clubs in their respective leagues?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,625 ✭✭✭✭Johner


    The documentary on Mourinho is on again on ITV at 10.35 tonight.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,001 ✭✭✭recylingbin


    Otto Rehaggel. No question.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,737 ✭✭✭larchielads


    loved his quote when bein questioned on not playing the best football

    mourinho: so who do you think play better football?
    reporter: Arsenal!!
    mourinho: Arsenal? They're 10 points behind!!:pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,949 ✭✭✭A Primal Nut


    He's good purely at winning trophies in a short timeframe and then leaving the team with an ageing squad. Fair play to him, he gets success but he can't be compared to longterm squad builders like Ferguson and Wenger.

    For example, what other manager would pay £22m for a 30-year old? Mourinho did that knowing he would probably leave in a year anyway so he didn't care about long term. He bought Milito for that amount, won the treble and then he left. But its not something many other managers can afford to do, because they are also looking long term. He left both Inter and Chelsea with ageing teams; but he didn't care, he was always planning to leave anyway. Whereas Wenger is reluctant to give anyone over 30 a 2-year contract, never mind pay £22m!

    He's a great manager all the same, and there is a lot to be said for just trying to give the fans a few trophies, and let the future take care of itself. As an Arsenal fan, I sometimes wish Wenger would do that.

    But in terms of combining trophies in the short term and long term squad building combined, Ferguson is the best; no question.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,262 ✭✭✭✭GavRedKing


    He's good purely at winning trophies in a short timeframe and then leaving the team with an ageing squad. Fair play to him, he gets success but he can't be compared to longterm squad builders like Ferguson and Wenger.

    For example, what other manager would pay £22m for a 30-year old? Mourinho did that knowing he would probably leave in a year anyway so he didn't care about long term. He bought Milito for that amount, won the treble and then he left. But its not something many other managers can afford to do, because they are also looking long term. He left both Inter and Chelsea with ageing teams; but he didn't care, he was always planning to leave anyway. Whereas Wenger is reluctant to give anyone over 30 a 2-year contract, never mind pay £22m!

    He's a great manager all the same, and there is a lot to be said for just trying to give the fans a few trophies, and let the future take care of itself. As an Arsenal fan, I sometimes wish Wenger would do that.

    But in terms of combining trophies in the short term and long term squad building combined, Ferguson is the best; no question.

    Your argument about long term squad builders and it invovles Wenger whos assembled a pretty average Arsenal squad, by and large, for the best part of a decade and they've managed to win diddly squat, its impressive hes managed to keep them in 4th for so long, by that thought any manager at a club for about 10 years can be considered a better squad builder then Mourihno, take Moyes at Everton for example, similar situation, build up a decent core of players who push for the top 6 year on year but thats the height of it but the reason Jose is brought in is to win things.

    Look at his career progression, at Porto he won it all, fancied a new challenge and went to Chelsea won a good deal and was fired, picked up by Inter Milan, won a treble and ended up leaving to join Real, its going to come full cirlce and it looks like he'll be let go by Real in the summer.

    His moves have been to teams that had a good financial backing allowing him to bring in players he wanted to suit the style of the team.

    By all account his next move is going to be huge in his career, he could potentially have his choice between City, Chelsea and Utd, maybe Arsenal if Wenger walks.

    he'll have achance to build a legacy wherever he goes an arguably the most difficult place to do it and where the biggest challenge lies is in trying to follow Fergie and I reckon he'd relish that pressure and opportunity.

    Time will tell.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,597 ✭✭✭Ferris_Bueller


    Correct in saying he hasn't stayed in any one club for a particularly long time and that he may be more focused on short term success, but there is nothing necessarily wrong with that. Clubs and their fans want trophies, and while I'm sure they would rather it long term, most would definitely bite your hand off for a few trophies and then him leaving again. He has shown how great of a manager he is by his success at different clubs, the players believe in him and he seems to create great relationships with all the players he coaches. I wonder would his managerial style be effective long term? At Chelsea and currently at Madrid the issue seems to be with the owners demanding constant success in leagues which that is extremely difficult to guarantee, if he does get the boot at the end of the year it wouldn't be dissimilar to when he left Chelsea, due to big ego owners. At Porto/Inter however he simply chose to leave after winning everything he could to move along to a bigger opportunity, I wonder if he was given the time by either Madrid/Chelsea would he have stayed on and would he have continued success or is his style just sorted to shorter term projects?

    Agree completely with GavRedKing, his next job will be huge. Surely taking over from Fergie would be the ultimate challenge, but will that position arise in time for him to be looking for a new job?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,017 ✭✭✭sReq | uTeK


    Correct in saying he hasn't stayed in any one club for a particularly long time and that he may be more focused on short term success, but there is nothing necessarily wrong with that. Clubs and their fans want trophies, and while I'm sure they would rather it long term, most would definitely bite your hand off for a few trophies and then him leaving again. He has shown how great of a manager he is by his success at different clubs, the players believe in him and he seems to create great relationships with all the players he coaches. I wonder would his managerial style be effective long term? At Chelsea and currently at Madrid the issue seems to be with the owners demanding constant success in leagues which that is extremely difficult to guarantee, if he does get the boot at the end of the year it wouldn't be dissimilar to when he left Chelsea, due to big ego owners. At Porto/Inter however he simply chose to leave after winning everything he could to move along to a bigger opportunity, I wonder if he was given the time by either Madrid/Chelsea would he have stayed on and would he have continued success or is his style just sorted to shorter term projects?

    Agree completely with GavRedKing, his next job will be huge. Surely taking over from Fergie would be the ultimate challenge, but will that position arise in time for him to be looking for a new job?

    It's widely known him and Fergie are good pals now, I honestly think that if fergie was to win the premier league and champs league he would step down as manager, what more wold he want to achieve taking back the league from his rivals and leaving on a high would surely cement his legacy.
    I also think it's been talked about behind closed doors if and when jose will take over.

    I think jose is sick to death of joining clubs where the power is not his and there is always an outside influence, in united it would his to do as he wishes. That has got to be more appealing, with united he would get time with anybody else, I think not so much.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,262 ✭✭✭✭GavRedKing


    It's widely known him and Fergie are good pals now, I honestly think that if fergie was to win the premier league and champs league he would step down as manager, what more wold he want to achieve taking back the league from his rivals and leaving on a high would surely cement his legacy.
    I also think it's been talked about behind closed doors if and when jose will take over.

    I think jose is sick to death of joining clubs where the power is not his and there is always an outside influence, in united it would his to do as he wishes. That has got to be more appealing, with united he would get time with anybody else, I think not so much.

    I dont think Fergies legacy is in doubt TBH. :pac:

    Even if Jose went there and kept up his impressive record of winning trophies Fergie will always be looked upon as Utd's greatest ever manager, but Jose and his ego might want to go in and prove to the world he can follow in Fergies foot steps which will be a daunting task for anybody to take over from the great man.

    I've mentioned it in the Chelsea thread but City could easily sack Mancini, nobody knows what Roman will do and Fergie may step aside, the least possible is the Fergie situation but if utd get wind that City or Chelsea are ready to move for Jose they could ask Jose to take a year out of the game and walk into Old Trafford next year when Fergie steps aside.

    All guess work and specualtion on my part but I can see Jose wanting the Utd job to try and emulate Fergie.

    I hope he doesnt as it means we'll miss out on him. :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,737 ✭✭✭larchielads


    He's good purely at winning trophies in a short timeframe and then leaving the team with an ageing squad. Fair play to him, he gets success but he can't be compared to longterm squad builders like Ferguson and Wenger.

    For example, what other manager would pay £22m for a 30-year old? Mourinho did that knowing he would probably leave in a year anyway so he didn't care about long term. He bought Milito for that amount, won the treble and then he left. But its not something many other managers can afford to do, because they are also looking long term. He left both Inter and Chelsea with ageing teams; but he didn't care, he was always planning to leave anyway. Whereas Wenger is reluctant to give anyone over 30 a 2-year contract, never mind pay £22m!

    He's a great manager all the same, and there is a lot to be said for just trying to give the fans a few trophies, and let the future take care of itself. As an Arsenal fan, I sometimes wish Wenger would do that.

    But in terms of combining trophies in the short term and long term squad building combined, Ferguson is the best; no question.

    eh fergie just splashed out 24miliion on a 29 year old 1 year younger but 2 million extra
    del bosque signed zidane when he was 29 for madrid for a bout 50m pound


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,561 ✭✭✭Winston Payne


    Mourinho's done a lot of damage to his reputation this year. The points gap between himself and Barcelona is embarrassing, he should never be behind Atletico Madrid after November with the squad he has.An aspect of his management which is seen as one of his major selling points has broken down hugely this season and this is his man-management, his motivation of and bond with his players. This is also the second time that he's been at a club and it's gone off the rails in the third season. He'd cracked at Chelsea, waffling on about blankets and melons and Waitrose, and he's looked disheveled at times in his dealings with the press in Spain this year too. It's compounded worries that I would have about him taking over at United to the point that I am against him taking over after SAF, whereas before I was at least willing to entertain the notion, if still opposing it overall. No long-term stability with him and his time at Madrid has shown that success doesn't necessarily follow with him either. The degree of the challenge was huge given the Barcelona side that's currently playing but Mourinho has no excuses. He's had massive financial backing, Madrid had spent nearly £200 Million the season before he took over and he's gotten the players that he's asked for. Mitigated failure is still failure, and for someone like Mourinho, who's only raison d'etre is success, that's falling short. I think there's a chance that him taking the Portugal job has been brought forward in the timetable.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,478 ✭✭✭✭gnfnrhead


    GavRedKing wrote: »
    Even if Jose went there and kept up his impressive record of winning trophies Fergie will always be looked upon as Utd's greatest ever manager, but Jose and his ego might want to go in and prove to the world he can follow in Fergies foot steps which will be a daunting task for anybody to take over from the great man.

    Cant see him wanting to live in Fergie's shadow, which is exactly what will happen to whoever takes the job when he goes. Jose likes being the man, at United he would be a boy for quite some time due to Fergie's success.

    I think City is the most likely now. Cant see Mancini being kept (bar a miracle where they win the league this season) and it looks likely that Jose will be on the move too. The City task of overthrowing United for more than one season would be a bigger challenge than simply continuing to win stuff with United. The bonus with the City job is having funds probably even better than he had at Chelsea.

    The Arsenal or Chelsea jobs would be bigger challenges again, but neither are likely to happen.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,737 ✭✭✭larchielads


    i think if he took over at liverpool and finally won the prem league that would be a challenge he could well take up, he likes the european nights at anfield too


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,832 ✭✭✭✭Blatter


    i think if he took over at liverpool and finally won the prem league that would be a challenge he could well take up, he likes the european nights at anfield too

    Mourinho likes to take on challenges that aren't near impossible or very difficult over the space of a few seasons.

    Joined Chelsea, a club with virtually unlimited wealth and were willing to spend whatever he wanted at the time.

    Joins Inter, a team off the back of two or three Serie As titles and had some very good players.

    Joins Real Madrid, a star studded squad with plenty of money to spend.

    Mourinho isn't one to take risks with his career. He's unlikely to take on a job when there's a good chance he won't achieve what's expected of him and hence won't damage his reputation and legacy. He's a smart man.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,580 ✭✭✭✭CSF


    i think if he took over at liverpool and finally won the prem league that would be a challenge he could well take up, he likes the european nights at anfield too
    Ah come on now. Lets not get delusional.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 417 ✭✭Wolf Club


    I'm not sure comparing the successes of Mourinho and Ferguson is really compatible. Ferguson's domestic record is phenomenal and will take many years to break, but the time he was given to build a team and culture within the club is not as common in football now. Would Mourinho be allowed 5 years to win a trophy after taking over a club? Ferguson is a prefect example of patience paying off but very few top clubs are willing to wait any length of time without success nowadays.

    Another argument that could be made against calling Ferguson the greatest modern manager is his European pedigree. Domestically, he is undoubtedly the best, but on a larger scale, he is on par with del Bosque, Hitzfeld, Ancellotti, Guardiola.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,309 ✭✭✭T-K-O


    If we agree Fergie is a generation before then yes it's difficult to argue against Jose. What he achieved at Inter confirmed to me how great this guy is


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,986 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Blatter wrote: »
    Mourinho likes to take on challenges that aren't near impossible or very difficult over the space of a few seasons.

    Joined Chelsea, a club with virtually unlimited wealth and were willing to spend whatever he wanted at the time.

    Joins Inter, a team off the back of two or three Serie As titles and had some very good players.

    Joins Real Madrid, a star studded squad with plenty of money to spend.

    Mourinho isn't one to take risks with his career. He's unlikely to take on a job when there's a good chance he won't achieve what's expected of him and hence won't damage his reputation and legacy. He's a smart man.
    What about Porto?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,832 ✭✭✭✭Blatter


    eagle eye wrote: »
    What about Porto?

    Well Porti was his first senior managerial job. That was his ticket to the big time, he wasn't proven before then. Since that job, he's taken relatively low risk jobs.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,001 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    Blatter wrote: »
    Well Porti was his first senior managerial job. That was his ticket to the big time, he wasn't proven before then. Since that job, he's taken relatively low risk jobs.

    What do you want him to do. He proved himself at Porto and then got offered a huge job at Chelsea. When he fell out their he took over a team who were winning their league but couldn't do anything in Europe. He wins the Champions league along with a treble. Then he goes to a bigger job again.

    I don't understand what you mean take low risk jobs he is the best and is wanted by the best. Also Madrid a low risk job not really managers have been sacked before for winning the league. What do you want him to do move to a smaller club to prove himself again.

    Looking at it i think he will be in England. Chelsea where he will have the chairman interfering. City where he can spend what he want's. United where he will have very little interference upstairs. I think he will end up in England but not sure where yet.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    Blatter wrote: »
    Well Porti was his first senior managerial job. That was his ticket to the big time, he wasn't proven before then. Since that job, he's taken relatively low risk jobs.
    Real madrid is hardly a low risk job


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,832 ✭✭✭✭Blatter


    Nuts102 wrote: »
    What do you want him to do. He proved himself at Porto and then got offered a huge job at Chelsea. When he fell out their he took over a team who were winning their league but couldn't do anything in Europe. He wins the Champions league along with a treble. Then he goes to a bigger job again.

    I don't understand what you mean take low risk jobs he is the best and is wanted by the best. Also Madrid a low risk job not really managers have been sacked before for winning the league. What do you want him to do move to a smaller club to prove himself again.

    Looking at it i think he will be in England. Chelsea where he will have the chairman interfering. City where he can spend what he want's. United where he will have very little interference upstairs. I think he will end up in England but not sure where yet.

    I never said it as a criticism of him. In fact I said he was a smart man for it. He's chosen his jobs wisely since Porto, in every single one of them he's had evident resources for success.
    wadacrack wrote: »
    Real madrid is hardly a low risk job

    It is, relative to a job like the current Liverpool one, which is what the original post I replied to was about.


  • Registered Users Posts: 633 ✭✭✭Bertser


    Porto wasn't his first managerial job, he was doing well with Benfica and Leiria before that which is why he got the Porto job.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,832 ✭✭✭✭Blatter


    Bertser wrote: »
    Porto wasn't his first managerial job, he was doing well with Benfica and Leiria before that which is why he got the Porto job.

    Yeah looked it up there, he was only in charge of 9 league games for Benfica though due to a contractual dispute.

    Still, it doesn't detract from the original point that he wasn't a household name until after his Porto stint, and since then has chosen his jobs wisely.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,309 ✭✭✭T-K-O


    Inter was safe in the fact that it was inter Milan. However his achievements at the club were truly amazing. His team was the first and only treble winning team and the fact that there were competitive in Europe was also an achievement, not only competitive they won the champions league.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,224 ✭✭✭jimjamcos


    I believe that it's much easier to take over a well-financed team for 3/4 years and achieve success than create a successful team multiple times over a 25+ year period. Mourinho, while undoubtedly a genius in terms of tactics, motivational techniques, player psychology and mind games, has yet to take over a club, without a group of core players key to his success. Alex Ferguson, while given time, has created teams and rebuilt them. Has Mourinho the patience to regenerate aging teams? As of yet, we do not know.

    When a manager takes over he, invariably, benefits from the honeymoon effect when everything he says and does is new and novel to the players. Players are happy to commit to any new approach given previous managers failures and this effect is multiplied hugely when the manager taking over has the personality and charisma of 'The Special One'. His style is to sweep in on a wave of positivity and self-acclaim, taking all the attention away from his players and in doing so he relieves pressure on teams and creates enormous unity within squads, like Fergie, the 'them against us approach'.

    The only problem with Mourinho's approach is that it is so intense. The fire of his management starts off in a blaze but the flames can only last so long with him and his approach. I think he knows this and it is why he has immediatly moved on after any significant success.

    While there is no doubt that Mourinho has never, bar Porto perhaps, been at a successful club as stable as United in order to build a legacy of great teams, it can be argued that his very personailty dictates he can only suceed over the shorter period of 3/4 years.

    In conclusion, I think Mourinho has to build, and rebuild a succesful team over a significant period before he can be called the greatest manager ever. I think he will do just that, if his personaility allows him the time span at one club.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,986 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Alex Ferguson has always had loads of cash too. Only a small number of teams in England have been able to take him on in the money stakes over the period he has been in charge. Blackburn could for a short while, Chelsea have been able to for 10 years or so now and City just recently.

    Ferguson broke the British transfer records on numerous occasions. What he has done is exceptional but cash had a huge part to play in it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,224 ✭✭✭jimjamcos


    eagle eye wrote: »
    Alex Ferguson has always had loads of cash too. Only a small number of teams in England have been able to take him on in the money stakes over the period he has been in charge. Blackburn could for a short while, Chelsea have been able to for 10 years or so now and City just recently.

    Ferguson broke the British transfer records on numerous occasions. What he has done is exceptional but cash had a huge part to play in it.


    Not saying Ferguson has not spent money, and in some cases he has spent exorbitant amounts on players. My point was made regardless of money, however, as all top teams (the ones Mourinho has managed bar Porto) have money to spend. Any manager worth his salt will spend the money he's given to insure immediate success at rivals expense (this is where Wenger fails).

    It is the lasting culture Ferguson has put in place at United that distinguishes him from Mourinho in my opinion. While he's always had money to spend, he's always been able to cultivate a real team of committed characters regardless of individuals personailty. He has developed players from skinny kids to polished pros and as a result the team and club have both benefitted. The sale of Ronaldo was a prime example.

    I'm a firm believer that the longer you do something the harder it is to motivate yourself and achieve your goals within the same environment. Just look at the manager turnover at every other top club in the world in Ferguson's time. Fergusons record and consistancy (3rd being worst PL finish ever) is remarkable and I think it will be proved in years to come, when Manchester City employ a top manager and finance him over a sustained period, that achieving success over a 10+ year period in the PL era is nigh impossible.

    Alex Ferguson's ability to create, develop and consistantly maintain teams at the top level makes him the greatest manager in the world. The turnover within the United squad has been relatively small in the last half decade and while expensive players such as Anderson have largely failed, the team has continued to suceed which is all that can be asked of Ferguson when judged.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,013 ✭✭✭aramush


    Mourinho got the better of Fergie 2-1 in regards to Premier League titles during his time in England. Not to forget he has done it in Portugal, England, Italy and in Spain, the sign of a great manager. So to my mind, Mourinho is the best of modern time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,190 ✭✭✭✭IvySlayer


    aramush wrote: »
    Mourinho got the better of Fergie 2-1 in regards to Premier League titles during his time in England. Not to forget he has done it in Portugal, England, Italy and in Spain, the sign of a great manager. So to my mind, Mourinho is the best of modern time.

    True, but how many points where Chelsea behind United when he was sacked?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,561 ✭✭✭Winston Payne


    IvySlayer wrote: »
    True, but how many points where Chelsea behind United when he was sacked?


    They were actually level with us. Not that it matters because SAF gave him the runaround the season previous. Guard of honour at Stamford Bridge. Dong up front. If United progress in their tie with Madrid SAF will be 2-1 up in terms of Champions League clashes too.


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