Toiler's Constant

Oryx

Strong swimmers just tend to be horribly arrogant sometimes, I guess

I am slow. No need for sugar coating.

Dory Dory

Kurt Godel wrote: »

Cheers Dory, I fill my days with advanced mathematics, but its refreshing to know someone still thinks I might be practising tumble turns for OW races:D You're a star!

Pool based Tris don't allow for tumble turns, thats the case in Ireland anyway. Probably because the vast majority of triathletes (in the races I've been in anyway) can't swim at a decent lane-sharing level.

You cheeky monkey!

Blows my mind that you can't flip in pool tris.....wow.

But back to your open turn technique - not sure that is the technique I'd go with, but perhaps it's good for a start. Keep in mind that I've never had freestyle open turn schooling, but personally, I would make the wall grab as quick as possible (or make it just a touch under the water, if that's allowed in Tris), immediately start to turn your body (no need from my perspective to have face come to the grabbing hand - wasting time, me thinks) while allowing the momentum to carry your legs to the wall for a very strong push off (your body will be on its side as you push off), then stretch out your body as hydrodynamically as possible (while turning your body to the correct position) and start your kick (butterfly kick, if that's allowed). Obviously, the faster you hit the wall, the faster you can turn and come off the wall. Make it as fluid as possible...and try not to waste any time hanging on it.

Oryx wrote: »

I've had strong 'swim club' swimmers carelessly flip turn in front of me and nearly take my teeth out. No matter how proficient the swimmer, its not advisable in a race situation imo

I have been told by them wot know, that flip turns are more fluid and give a better simulation of a non stop (ow type) swim when training. Open to opinion on that.

Not sure what the issue is with the club swimmers nearly taking your teeth out, but in all the years that I swam in pools with swimmer after swimmer after swimmer flipping and swimming, that was never even a concern.

And in my opinion, flip turns are more fluid and are a better simulation of open water swimming. Open turns give you a slight breather, so they are easier and slower.

Kurt Godel

Always glad to get your water babe opinion Dory. Here's the turn I'm trying to emulate

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThOauZ7Ip9w

Dory Dory

That looks good. Just make sure you don't get hung up on "face to grabbing hand" - I'd think of it more as "burning hot wall that I can't keep my hand on for very long so I better hit the wall blazing fast for both momentum and reciprocal bounce." I'd start my turn as soon as my hand touched the wall....and push and kick off that wall!!!

Kurt Godel

Mon 1:50 turbo steady

This was long, but with an easy enough effort. My third watching of "Prometheus" failed yet again to convince that its a good movie, but there's always a lingering doubt that there's something more fundamental there. Still, it kept my mind off the turbo, and was a better distraction than my previous dumb sci-fi movie ("Safety Not Assured" KC).

interested

"burning hot wall"
or
"as if it's on fire"

all good advice.
@Dory - Triathlon Ireland actually introduced penalties (I think its 10 sec for each flip turn) for pool based triathlons. They're great to introduce people to the sport before necessitating the need to purchase an expensive wetsuit but from an OW purists point of view ... well, Ill leave it at that.

Apologies for butting in ... butt ..
Happy holidays folks.

Kurt Godel

Tue 2,000m swim

1,000m 18:27
Today's swim was all about turning. Those "burning fire" phrases above are very good, and force you to make the hand touch as short as possible. One thing I noticed is that my turns are faster if I swim into the wall- perhaps beforehand I might have been slowing to anticipate the turn, but today I was going in hard and getting a good bounce turn off. Most came out as desired, and I was coming up for air a good bit after the backstroke flags.

5x100m off 1:55
1:41, 1:43, 1:44, 1:45, 1:44

500m drills
One arm swims, and dead leg swims. Dead leg is very hard, but you learn a lot about your under-belly part of the stroke.

Kurt Godel

Tue pm 7km hilly tempo run

Met up with the lads from the club for my first run in a couple of weeks I think. Steady rather than lung-burstin' to the top of the first hill, then steady back down until the second little hill. I lost a bit of space here, and spent the remaining 1.5km trying to claw some of it back. Always good when you finish strong.

Dory Dory

Yep, swim into the wall.....hit that wall hard and your momentum will get your legs to the wall faster and allow your turn to be swifter and your push to be harder. Think of it like hitting a tennis ball on a backboard - the harder you hit it, the faster it returns.

Kurt Godel

Wed 1 hour turbo

The first hour of "Casino Royale", and if the pool-of-sweatometer is an accurate indication of effort, high-octane Bond chases give better workouts than sci-fi flicks.

griffin100

Kurt Godel wrote: »

Wed 1 hour turbo

The first hour of "Casino Royale", and if the pool-of-sweatometer is an accurate indication of effort, high-octane Bond chases give better workouts than sci-fi flicks.

..........or possibly an hour of watching the lovely Eva Green Certanily makes me sweat.

catweazle

griffin100 wrote: »

..........or possibly an hour of watching the lovely Eva Green Certanily makes me sweat.

I thought relatively speaking that she was one of the least attractive Bond girls!

Prometheus and a Bond film seem like high fare indeed to Hellboy 2 and Green Lantern that I have recently endured. Didn't like Prometheus either I thought it never really got going

Saving the Dark Knight Rises for babysitting duty on friday night though

Kurt Godel

catweazle wrote: »

I thought relatively speaking that she was one of the least attractive Bond girls!

Prometheus and a Bond film seem like high fare indeed to Hellboy 2 and Green Lantern that I have recently endured. Didn't like Prometheus either I thought it never really got going

Saving the Dark Knight Rises for babysitting duty on friday night though

Yeah, Ava Green, I'd still take pity on her, in the wholly likely scenario of her stalking me in her cocktail dress. Ursula Andress and Halle Berry could fight each other for a tumble in my haybarn, the lucky girls.

Dark Knight Rises, I wasn't too impressed with. Good babysitting fodder though. "Dredd" is good honest comic book gore and guns, worth a watch.

Fri 7km easy run

Norbert Nosedrip is in residence, the kids have brought early Xmas germs home. Better now than next week I suppose. Nothing yesterday, but I felt a tad less shivery this morning, for an easy forest trot. Two thumbs up.

shotgunmcos

catweazle wrote: »

I thought relatively speaking that she was one of the least attractive Bond girls!

What ?!

She is one of my favourite! But then I'm drawn to beautiful, intelligent women

griffin100

shotgunmcos wrote: »

What ?!

She is one of my favourite! But then I'm drawn to beautiful, intelligent women

Thank Christ for that, I thought I was starting to loose it!!!! She is by far the best ever bond girl.

Kurt Godel

Lads, if we're going to discuss important matters on this log, can we at least have photo's to back opinions up?

Hottest ever...
Luciana Paluzzi
A.K.A.: Fiona Volpe
Bond Assignment: Thunderball

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catweazle

While the film was poor I thought this girl was gorgeous and she went on to become a massive success in such fantastic films as Hitman, Max Payne and Centurian also revealing a bit more flesh in these films .

Special note to Solitaire and Jane Seymour also who nearly looks as well now.

All time great...........Thandi Newton in MI2!

Olga Kurylenko
AKA Camille Montes
Quantom of Solace

Kurt Godel

^ I presume you have the rest of that photo life size as well?:D

Cold is in the house, no training the past couple of days. Today I took junior for a recce of the route to Kelly's lough, up via the zigzags. It was very wet at the top, so we didn't actualy hit the lake. My thinking is now that we will take a (drier) forest path up there, and we can descend via the wetter section. Nothing worse than wet feet from early on! Some photos below, phone camera quality I'm afraid.

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Zig-Zags going up
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Very damp here. Lake is around that bend under the cloud.
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Kurt Godel

wed 26th 14k trail run

The tri club had organised a head-cleanser for 11am, and a good few turned up for the rainy sloppiest along the WW from tinahely to the dying cow pub. It took me a few k to sweat off yesterday's excesses, and I kept it easy all the way. It was very mucky in places, running up rivers and splashing along muddy boreens.

My first visit to the dying cow made it all worthwhile, this gem has to be experienced to be believed.

BeepBeep67

Kurt Godel wrote: »

wed 26th
My first visit to the dying cow made it all worthwhile, this gem has to be experienced to be believed.

I've been tempted a few times, but I don't think you would've been best pleased half way through the last leg of the WWR!

Kurt Godel

Thurs 1,750m swim

1km steady, trying to flip turn each time I hit the deep end. The first few times I tried left me kicking at nothing, I was turning too far out from the wall (there's an instinct that your head will hit the wall if too close). As they progressed, they got better, in that I kicked off from the wall, but would kick down, meaning I was well under the surface. This makes things difficult, especially since I was missing that extra breath. Towards the end, things were going well, decent turns and coming up fast under the flags. I can see how tumbling helps the fluidity of the swim, so I'm going to try and perfect this type of turning.

Next some drills with a board, kicking first, then sticking it between the knees for the stroke. Good to see just how fluid a stroke can be with high legs.

This was preceeded by a visit to the dentist; my wisdom teeth are infected and need to be extracted soon. For the moment though, I'm on antibiotics, and a strict no alcohol policy. Not great timing when I have an evening of drinking booked for Sat night, and then New Years Eve, but I'll just have kalibers and maybe some heroin, no real loss.

Dory Dory

You still have your wisdom teeth??? :eek: And I like your creative celebratory-assistant flexibility. Wish I could run and swim with you guys.......:(

Micilin Muc

I've just had 3 of my wisdom teeth removed, one week at a time. Each time it took two to three days before I could run again.

If I had known it would affect my training I would have tried getting it done in the hospital - all four at one time.

Kurt Godel

fri 60mins turbo

Done while the second watch of "Cloud Atlas". I love the book, and the film is likewise a work of art. I'll be watching this in the cinema when it comes out, and buying the DVD, so this watch is akin to breaking into an art gallery for a sneak peak.
Really looking forward to meeting everyone tomorrow, should be a good bit of fun.

Kurt Godel

Sat 10k hill run

Met up with 7 others for a run up from Glenmalure, via the WW and back trails, to Kelly's lough. I had overpacked a huge rucksack for every eventuality (besides eye acid for a bollock naked ultraman), and it made for tough running uphill. I was panting from an early stage, but the company and chat was good. We made the lake, and decided against the heavily-clouded Lug ascent. It was pretty cold, and most opted for the splash-dunk-and-out version of swimming. Shotgun and myself had suited up, so I eased into the water, and tried to keep up with him as he front crawled. A dip of my face under was a hard smack of cold, and I started to gasp, so slowed until my breath had normalised. A few more strokes and little distance. There was no getting away from the cold, hands were frozen. Out again and get dressed among all the shivering bodies. The run back down was a fair bit easier, and everyone was soon warm.

Showered, fed, and watered back at the Lodge. Its a measure of good company if you can drink non-alcoholic beer in a pub and still have a good laugh. Great to meet everyone, thanks for coming out on this (and thanks for the bottles of wine!):)

Dory Dory

While I'm knocking on boardsie doors and spreading good cheer, let me just say that if I were Dorothy, you'd be my Scarecrow. Happy New Year Kurt!!

Kurt Godel

Dory Dory wrote: »

While I'm knocking on boardsie doors and spreading good cheer, let me just say that if I were Dorothy, you'd be my Scarecrow. Happy New Year Kurt!!

<checks chest for heart>
<checks balls for courage>
Two outta three aren't too bad, I can get by without a brain. Happy Noo Yeah Dorythy! Thanks for all the swim tips, keep 'em coming in 2013!:D

Dory Dory

Kurt Godel wrote: »

<checks chest for heart>
<checks balls for courage>
Two outta three aren't too bad, I can get by without a brain. Happy Noo Yeah Dorythy! Thanks for all the swim tips, keep 'em coming in 2013!:D

Well I knew you had courage cuz I saw that photo. Oh, wait...that was ultraman.

Kurt Godel

1st Jan 2013 10km easy run

This Xmas has been all-too-sober, and waking up on New Years day with a clear and fresh head is something that hasn't happened me in a while. Hopefully its a portent of things to come, 2013 will be a big year for me work-, academic-, (and hopefully sport-) wise, and I'll need "mens sana in corpore sano". Bright and frosty, an easy 10k around the local forest trails.

Happy New Year!:)

Kurt Godel

Wed 2nd Jan 3,550m swim

3,000m steady in 57:43. The idea for this session was to swim steady through a pool of beachballs, each of which I had to scoop under the water, and pass it under to exit behind my torso. The next couple of months will be about refining my stroke, this refinement came from a discussion with shotgun about hand entry, and I found it a useful exercise. I was tiring halfway through, but thats the fastest recent 3km I've done, so something was going right.

550m warmdown afterwards, upon which I chatted with the guy in the lane next door. He gave me some good stroke tips, said I was reaching too far upon entry, had my fingers too far apart, head was moving up and down too much, which cause my feet to sink, I was touch turning too high, not using my arms as optimum paddles... in short, lots to correct. He was also doing a steady set, but at a much faster pace than me. Nothing odd about that, especially since he (I just looked it up), swam a 400m in 4:55 a few months back. What is hugely impressive is that he swam that 4:55 while winning the gold at last year's Paralympic 400m Freestyle, and even more impressive is that he won it in the S6 category- he was born missing part of one arm below the elbow, and both his lower legs - above the knee on one, and below it on the other. How many of us can even come close to that time, with all our extra paddles? My very good luck today to meet Darragh McDonald.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Al4kAsThBzg