**MOD NOTE UPDATED**Limerick woman complains about living in 3 bed house with 4 kids

Dravokivich

So this is from that fornicatin' yer wan was on about last week that we were giving out about?

El Weirdo

mod

Okay, people, can we tone down the aggressive name-calling of this woman, please?

I understand that it's an emotive subject for many of you, but there's no need for outright name-calling.

Thanks.

/mod

dj jarvis

WindSock wrote: »

No I am not trolling, no I never said all 4 with one on the way were accidents. I already stated perhaps some were planned, perhaps she got pregnant on the pill (yes and it happens....often) perhaps she is ignorant of getting pregnant with the pull out method (yes,a lot of people still think this works...)

I don't know the circumstances of the woman that she is soon to have 5 kids in a house that she deems unfit for raring them in. And neither does anyone else but it seems easier to condemn her and hurl abuse before considering them.

Then people here are saying they want a 5 bedroom house in Killiney, then others complaining that she wants to stay in Moyross. So she's damned if she does/doesn't

Either way, the pitchforks are a truely alight in this one.

that is the funniest load of cobblers i have read on AH - well done sir
if you really believe ANY of that then i just give up

Thrill

dj jarvis wrote: »

but she is looking for A EXTRA ROOM

,

OMG!!! :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

mconigol

The King of Moo wrote: »

I don't think anyone's said anything like that.
I've just seen some posters quite reasonably suggesting that some of the hatred expressed in quite disgusting terms from people who don't know her is a bit unseemly, and a poor way of debating.
Though unfortunately, such a level of "discussion" is all-too common around here lately.

It really is. Boards seems to be in decline in my opinion. Maybe not in numbers but in quality. Shocked at some of the comments left here.

dj jarvis

The King of Moo wrote: »

I don't think anyone's said anything like that.
I've just seen some posters quite reasonably suggesting that some of the hatred expressed in quite disgusting terms from people who don't know her is a bit unseemly, and a poor way of debating.
Though unfortunately, such a level of "discussion" is all-too common around here lately.

yea they have , in 2 posts so far , go back and read it

Borboletinha

WindSock wrote: »

Just trying to see where the moral outrage is coming from in here and what the woman is expected to do if she get pregnant.

5 times????:eek: This reminds me of that film idiocracy...

maybe they are just frustrated key board warriors its the online equilvilant of driving by a stanger and hurling abuse pathetic really

WindSock

dj jarvis wrote: »

that is the funniest load of cobblers i have read on AH - well done sir
if you really believe ANY of that then i just give up

Believe? No I am suggesting very likely possibilities for pregnancies, wanted or not.
But feel free to give up anyway.

Daisy M

I cant understand the mindset of people who are defending this womans behaviour. She has 4 children and another on the way and according to herself she and her children are living in a dangerous enviroment. Where is the personal responsibility? Of course contraception doesnt always work so the onus is on her to use multiple contraception to make sure an unwanted pregnancy does not occur. This is not an outlandish idea, many people have to do this myself included due to strong medication I have to take for a long term illness. If I were to become pregnant while taking this medication any baby I would have would have serious abnormalities. I would never choose to put a child of mine in this situation so when it comes to contraception we as a couple are ultra responsible. Nothing from stopping this lady been the same.

mikom

mconigol wrote: »

It really is. Boards seems to be in decline in my opinion. Maybe not in numbers but in quality. Shocked at some of the comments left here.

Afterhours does not equal boards.
There is a whole world out there........... go explore......... http://www.boards.ie/

micropig

WindSock wrote: »

Believe? No I am suggesting very likely possibilities for pregnancies, wanted or not.
But feel free to give up anyway.

But surely someone, doctor, nurse, midwife sat her down and explained the facts of life to her after the first time?

& there's lots of other different types of contraception other than the pill/condoms she could have been using

The King of Moo

dj jarvis wrote: »

yea they have , in 2 posts so far , go back and read it

Am I feck reading the whole thread again to find two posts I'm not convinced exist!

Even if I believed such posts were to be found, I hardly think 2 posters makes a brigade.

WindSock

Borboletinha wrote: »

5 times????:eek: This reminds me of that film idiocracy...

Is that the same film where people decide I believe all 5 of her kids were accidents and think that she is worse than Hitler and should be shot, have her gash soldered up, etc because it is her sole purpose in life to live in a big free house at everyone elses expense?

up for anything

micropig wrote: »

What would be your final solution?
Godwinned

Forced labour camps. Punned.

Larbre34 wrote: »

For ADHD read boldness. I know education professionals who dont believe in it

And just as many do believe in it.

micropig wrote: »

*I know some lovely people from Moyross aswell, not brandishing everyone

I'd say Makiomi is the only poster here strong enough to brandish everyone.

Salt001

Some of the comments in this thread just took my breath away. :eek::eek:
Whatever people feel about this woman and her story,why resort to name calling and abuse.
Is it the only way that people can express their feelings on the issue?.
So many people myself included are really struggling at the minute and yes when you see a story like this it can make your blood boil but to descend to the level of some of the posts here does nobody any favours.
Does it make people feel better about their own situation to take out their frustration about their own lives on a total stranger?.

mconigol

mikom wrote: »

Afterhours does not equal boards.
There is a whole world out there........... go explore......... http://www.boards.ie/

True. AH was one of the most popular forums though (maybe not any more?) so I think it's a pretty good barometer for the site in general.

I've just got tired of the whole thing recently. Maybe it's just me

crazygeryy

WindSock wrote: »

Maybe she planned some, maybe not...maybe there are even more sinister circumstances. I don't know and neither does anyone else in here baying for her gee to be sewn shut and to never have sex again.
All because she has requested better conditions to bring her kids up in. There is hardly a shortage of empty shells to move into.

those ****ing aliens at it again ,implanting their seed in our women.damn them damn them all to hell.

Logical Fallacy

dj jarvis wrote: »

As usual the " oh poor lamb - comes from a deprived background " brigade come charging in on their high horses

lets get one thing straight , no one argues that if the house was sub standard , or dangerous then straight away she should have re furb work done ,
but she is looking for A EXTRA ROOM , when either the 13 month old should be in her room or in a bunk bed - it is that simple

truly the stupidity of some people fails to astonish me - along with the plebs sticking up for this rubbish ,
i know of at least 3 family's that are living in what could only be described as flea pits who have been waiting YEARS to be re homed , yet this woman feels she is entitled to waste space and time over her want of more space ???
she wants a bigger house ??? SO DO I - but im not putting my hand out and stamping my feet

she has water , electricity , heating , walls and a roof - compared to some in this banana republic she is on the pigs back

this is why she is getting dogs abuse

knowing when to keep your mouth shut is a skill some people should learn

I never really understood the use of the last line on the internet. I mean, if this simply applies to all people who disagree with us, and then of course applies with regard to us from all people we don't agree with.....

you see what I'm getting at here?

Just strikes me as the last gasp of a dying argument.

WindSock

micropig wrote: »

But surely someone, doctor, nurse, midwife sat her down and explained the facts of life to her after the first time?

& there's lots of other different types of contraception other than the pill/condoms she could have been using

Surely? Who knows, maybe the first one was planned...maybe not. Maybe she didn't get the talk, maybe they didn't reiterate that the pill doesn't work with antibiotics, maybe her fella thought the pull out method was savvy, maybe she was forced...this is getting into sinister territory now...but not unlikely....

But all I am doing is saying there are a world of possibilities out there for her to have 5 kids but loads of people here have already decided she has because she wants a bigger gaf and is completely irresponsible without considering anything else.

dj jarvis

The King of Moo wrote: »

Am I feck reading the whole thread again to find two posts I'm not convinced exist!

Even if I believed such posts were to be found, I hardly think 2 posters makes a brigade.

please , you said no one did say it , 2 did , you make sure your facts are correct - and trust me they do exist , its in black and white

as for a brigade - the brigade INCLUDES the two that made those posts , i was making the point about the usual suspects who will defend ANYTHING

The King of Moo

dj jarvis wrote: »

please , you said no one did say it , 2 did , you make sure your facts are correct - and trust me they do exist , its in black and white

as for a brigade - the brigade INCLUDES the two that made those posts , i was making the point about the usual suspects who will defend ANYTHING

At the risk of being pedantic, I said I didn't think anyone had said such a thing.

dj jarvis

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

I never really understood the use of the last line on the internet. I mean, if this simply applies to all people who disagree with us, and then of course applies with regard to us from all people we don't agree with.....

you see what I'm getting at here?

Just strikes me as the last gasp of a dying argument.

sorry , i was making the point that the woman should have kept quiet , not the posters , i apologize for the misunderstanding

micropig

WindSock wrote: »

Surely? Who knows, maybe the first one was planned...maybe not. Maybe she didn't get the talk, maybe they didn't reiterate that the pill doesn't work with antibiotics, maybe her fella thought the pull out method was savvy, maybe she was forced...this is getting into sinister territory now...but not unlikely....

Unplanned pregnancy - implant in arm to stop another by doctor &
Mandatory bird & bees chat in the labour ward:pac:

FruitLover

dj jarvis wrote: »

knowing when to keep your mouth shut is a skill some people should learn

I can think of another body part this one could do with keeping closed...

WindSock

dj jarvis wrote: »

please , you said no one did say it , 2 did , you make sure your facts are correct - and trust me they do exist , its in black and white

as for a brigade - the brigade INCLUDES the two that made those posts , i was making the point about the usual suspects who will defend ANYTHING

How about you present the evidence for the 'facts' you are asserting exist instead?

mikom

♫

Thanks for the times
That you've given me
The memories are all in my mind
And now that we've come
To the end of our rainbow
There's something
I must say out loud

You're once twice
five times a lady
And I love you
Yes your once twice
five times a lady
And I love you
I love you................. and your local authority gaff.

♫

Galwayguy35

Salt001 wrote: »

Some of the comments in this thread just took my breath away. :eek::eek:
Whatever people feel about this woman and her story,why resort to name calling and abuse.
Is it the only way that people can express their feelings on the issue?.
So many people myself included are really struggling at the minute and yes when you see a story like this it can make your blood boil but to descend to the level of some of the posts here does nobody any favours.
Does it make people feel better about their own situation to take out their frustration about their own lives on a total stranger?.

No, but its easy to see why people would be pissed off, we are all being caught for extra taxes with more on the way, for alot of us a holiday is a thing of the past, mortgage repayments are becoming a nightmare but despite all that we didn't start popping out kids left right and centre and expect the taxpayer to provide us with everything.

trishasaffron

Yes the abuse is sickening but this is AH after all.

But my god how times have changed. I was brought up in the leafy middle class suburbs of Dublin - one of 7 + Mum & Dad - 9 people in a 4 bed house. Did we feel underprivileged? Not at all. Did anyone provide any support for free ? Not at all.

Does she deserve abuse? ........No one deserves abuse.

Is a rethink needed about how resources are allocated in society?....absolutely

D1stant

WindSock wrote: »

Surely? Who knows, maybe the first one was planned...maybe not. Maybe she didn't get the talk, maybe they didn't reiterate that the pill doesn't work with antibiotics, maybe her fella thought the pull out method was savvy, maybe she was forced...this is getting into sinister territory now...but not unlikely....

But all I am doing is saying there are a world of possibilities out there for her to have 5 kids but loads of people here have already decided she has because she wants a bigger gaf and is completely irresponsible without considering anything else.

You are right. Its possible. Highly unlikely but possible

Now given that no one on either side of the 'argument' knows the real facts about her life. People have to make presumptions in order to express an opinion.

What would you say was the most likely?

(a) your hypothesis
(b) she was either irresponsible in having 5 kids or did so deliberately to milk the system

oldyouth

Everyone is drifting off topic. Is there a bank account where sympathisers can make a contribution?

WindSock

D1stant wrote: »

You are right. Its possible. Highly unlikely but possible

Now given that no one on either side of the 'argument' knows the real facts about her life. People have to make presumptions in order to express an opinion.

What would you say was the most likely?

(a) your hypothesis
(b) she was either irresponsible in having 5 kids or did so deliberately to milk the system

The only facts that we do know is she has 4 kids and one on the way. Nothing else really. Either way, the level of abuse being hurled is, well....a bit ****.

dj jarvis

hairyprincess wrote: »

Funny with all the crowds jeering for her to have her 'gee sown up', her 'gee stapled' and shouts for her to keep her legs together, not one person has suggested that the father(s) of the children take care of his children. Does he have no responsibility? I only know of one immaculate conception; after that I do believe it takes two at minimum.

This woman has come from a disadvantaged area, and is doing the best she can. She hasn't given her kids away to be taken into care.

There for the grace of God I go

here is one , you find the second , trust me its in black and white

fasttalkerchat

After 2 infractions and 2 yellows in 24 hours I'm going to say nothing!

Boards has went mad the past few days.

El Weirdo

trishasaffron wrote: »

Yes the abuse is sickening but this is AH after all.

Please.

Not everyone in this forum is a complete Neanderthal, so please don't trot out that line. This being AH is no excuse for the sort of vitriolic abuse that I've seen on this thread.

peckerhead

One look at that dado rail and floral-patterned wallpaper was enough for me.

Logical Fallacy

dj jarvis wrote: »

sorry , i was making the point that the woman should have kept quiet , not the posters , i apologize for the misunderstanding

No worries, I just didn't put 2 and 2 together there at all.

byhookorbycrook

micropig wrote: »

:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

People who try and get their children diagnosed with a condition for money??:mad:

Sadly,yes.

D1stant

WindSock wrote: »

The only facts that we do know is she has 4 kids and one on the way. Nothing else really.

Fail

You completely avoided my point. Convenient.

Daisy M

WindSock wrote: »

Surely? Who knows, maybe the first one was planned...maybe not. Maybe she didn't get the talk, maybe they didn't reiterate that the pill doesn't work with antibiotics, maybe her fella thought the pull out method was savvy, maybe she was forced...this is getting into sinister territory now...but not unlikely....

But all I am doing is saying there are a world of possibilities out there for her to have 5 kids but loads of people here have already decided she has because she wants a bigger gaf and is completely irresponsible without considering anything else.

She is completely irresponsible given the fact she has brought at least 2 more children to live in a house where she is fearful that the problems she faced for 18mths are not completely cleared up. She believes the house to be too small and say her children are disturbed at night by their older brothers fits. Anyone can see that another baby will only add to the disturbances for these children. She maybe a great mum in other ways but she is irresponsible in regard to family planning and the housing needs of her existing children.

whatdoicare

Reading these kind of stories makes me both furious and in absolute disbelief at some people in this world.

I and my husband bought our home five years ago and have a reasonable mortgage - small house 2 and a half (you couldn't call the third bedroom a full room really) bedrooms, one bathroom - we pay all our taxes and work day and night to earn enough just to get by.

We both very badly want to start our family but the reality is that we simply can't afford to right now and TBH we are starting to despair as to if we'll ever get to start a family. We have actually sat down some nights and cried about it. It's an awful, awful feeling.

So, you can all probably imagine how we feel to read about a woman popping out her fifth sprog without any kind of planning and getting everything handed to her - only to then have the absolute cheek to start demanding more!

If we ever are lucky to have a child - most likely it'll be our first and last. It feels like we are being punished by our government for being responsible, it's just not fair!

alphanine

Socialism gets into people's bones, the entitlement this lady feels is the system's fault.

What is of note here is that that her children may take on the same values and therefore the cost to the tax payer grows exponentially.

up for anything

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

One room for parents and baby. One room for epileptic ADHD kid. One room for other kids. When the fifth child comes it will be a squeeze but that's the life of a slut.

Was that supposed to be amusing? :rolleyes: I think with a sense of humour like that we don't have to look any further than yore ma.

The King of Moo

dj jarvis wrote: »

here is one , you find the second , trust me its in black and white

That's hardly an "Oh poor lamb" reaction.

More along the lines of suggesting that her background might partly play a factor in her situation, which I don't think anyone would argue with.

mikom

I think Bullseye host Jim Bowen said it best........

"Stay out of the black and in the red..... nothing in this game for two in a bed."

gaeilgegrinds1

This makes me sick, since when are children entitled to their own rooms?! I shared and wasn't harmed by it!

WindSock

D1stant wrote: »

Fail

You completely avoided my point. Convenient.

Not intentionally no, your point (as I gathered) is that it is most likely she is irresponsible or deliberately milking the system. This is just from the facts based on the news article. The only facts being there are 4 kids with 1 on the way....

Logical Fallacy

alphanine wrote: »

Socialism gets into people's bones, the entitlement this lady feels is the system's fault.

What is of note here is that that her children may take on the same values and therefore the cost to the tax payer grows exponentially.

I don't think you know that much about Socialism.

Don't get me wrong, socialism makes me laugh my ass off but at least I know what it is.

The King of Moo

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

After 2 infractions and 2 yellows in 24 hours I'm going to say nothing!

Boards has went mad the past few days.

I agree, and the level of hatred and number of presumptions in this thread is a perfect of example of that.

whatdoicare wrote: »

Reading these kind of stories makes me both furious and in absolute disbelief at some people in this world.

I and my husband bought our home five years ago and have a reasonable mortgage - small house 2 and a half (you couldn't call the third bedroom a full room really) bedrooms, one bathroom - we pay all our taxes and work day and night to earn enough just to get by.

We both very badly want to start our family but the reality is that we simply can't afford to right now and TBH we are starting to despair as to if we'll ever get to start a family. We have actually sat down some nights and cried about it. It's an awful, awful feeling.

So, you can all probably imagine how we feel to read about a woman popping out her fifth sprog without any kind of planning and getting everything handed to her - only to then have the absolute cheek to start demanding more!

If we ever are lucky to have a child - most likely it'll be our first and last. It feels like we are being punished by our government for being responsible, it's just not fair!

Which is exactly the reaction the newspapers want, and why they feature stories of cases like this completely disproportionate to the number of such actual cases in the real world.
They also deliberately pick and choose details to get you angry, in case some element of reality contradicts the narrative they want to construct.
Lastly, they'll feature a big picture of a crying baby to really get you going.

token101

Maximilian Flaky Nose wrote: »

the level of hatred towards this woman is just :eek:and the assumptions she is scum etc etc maybe her sense of entitlement is inflated however without seeing the house who knows what her living conditions are like .

Also with all the young leaving the country maybe we need more woman having babies to fill the gap

i do agree though that kids are expensive and where possible be carefully planned to have 4 children and one on the way isnt very smart however i dont think this woman is equilvalant to stalin nor do none of us know if she is a slut .

She can be the secret call girl if she wants. As long as shes prepared to live with her actions and take sole reponsibility for them. We dont need more welfare children to replace working graduates/tradesmen or whatever. Thats a daft thing to say.