EXCEPTIONAL SCORING HANDICAP REDUCTION

FixdePitchmark

Tones69 wrote: »

Wonder will i still have to "wipe his ass when i caddy for him in the senior scratch cup", man that comment fuelled me to shoot good lol

Did he say that (lol). :D:D:D

Tones69

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

Did he say that (lol). :D:D:D

Yep ha, wonder if mods will open my thread once i can reach my goal, would be funny to look back at all the abuse

FixdePitchmark

Tones69 wrote: »

Yep ha, wonder if mods will open my thread once i can reach my goal, would be funny to look back at all the abuse

In fairness if it motivated you it did the job.

Just don't mention you've seen a 300 yrd drive whatever you do.

Tones69

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

In fairness if it motivated you it did the job.

Just don't mention you've seen a 300 yrd drive whatever you do.

Was already motivated, that just pissed me off which gave me an extra push. Im a glass half full person, which has gotten me this far already. Its still a headwrecker of a game tho ha

BigChap1759

Tones69 wrote: »

Ha well done dude! BUUUT Your race started from 15 though, mine started from 18 haha
Heres mine


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Mine's bigger than yours :rolleyes:

pinseeker

Nice going tones and matt.This is turning into a how low can you go type thing.
Take it from me there is more shots in ye yet.

living the dream boys ha

Mr. Larson

So have you officially reached 9 Tones? I must say I didn't think you would do it. If you have, I stand corrected!

Mr. Larson

Tones69 wrote: »

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TO be fair to you, Tones that doesn't seem to tell the full story. Looking at that is just looks like you were wrongly handicapped to begin with - but if I remember correctly your scores were in the 100's when you started out.

Amazing that you only really had 5 competition cuts, the 2 ESR's and the GPA counted for 4 full shots!

ForeRight

Can you get cut by this rule twice does anyone know?

Last week I got cut .5 under this rule as I had shot 44 points and a 41 in the space of ten rounds. They said if I did it in 9 round space it would have been a full stroke cut.

I was cut from 12 to 11 exactly after shooting 41 points last week then the .5 was applied to make it exact handicap of 10.5 but still playing off 11.

Today off that 11 I had 41 points in the open in naas.

Will I be cut again under this rule. I hope so because it will make me an official single figure handicap which is what I was aiming for by end of thr summer.

matt-dublin

ForeRight wrote: »

Can you get cut by this rule twice does anyone know?

Last week I got cut .5 under this rule as I had shot 44 points and a 41 in the space of ten rounds. They said if I did it in 9 round space it would have been a full stroke cut.

I was cut from 12 to 11 exactly after shooting 41 points last week then the .5 was applied to make it exact handicap of 10.5 but still playing off 11.

Today off that 11 I had 41 points in the open in naas.

Will I be cut again under this rule. I hope so because it will make me an official single figure handicap which is what I was aiming for by end of thr summer.

I think you would need to beat CSS by 4 in the rounds proceeding your last esr. Ie from you last esr two more good rounds

ForeRight

matt-dublin wrote: »

ForeRight wrote: »

Can you get cut by this rule twice does anyone know?

Last week I got cut .5 under this rule as I had shot 44 points and a 41 in the space of ten rounds. They said if I did it in 9 round space it would have been a full stroke cut.

I was cut from 12 to 11 exactly after shooting 41 points last week then the .5 was applied to make it exact handicap of 10.5 but still playing off 11.

Today off that 11 I had 41 points in the open in naas.

Will I be cut again under this rule. I hope so because it will make me an official single figure handicap which is what I was aiming for by end of thr summer.

I think you would need to beat CSS by 4 in the rounds proceeding your last esr. Ie from you last esr two more good rounds

I think I understand cheers. I will need to beat CSS by 4 strokes in my next 8 rounds or so for this to kick in again is that it?

That's a shame. Can't complain anyway as it's going in thr right direction anyway.

Tones69

Jabberwocky wrote: »

So have you officially reached 9 Tones? I must say I didn't think you would do it. If you have, I stand corrected!

9.7 as of now dude, gimme some more time

Tones69

Jabberwocky wrote: »

TO be fair to you, Tones that doesn't seem to tell the full story. Looking at that is just looks like you were wrongly handicapped to begin with - but if I remember correctly your scores were in the 100's when you started out.

Amazing that you only really had 5 competition cuts, the 2 ESR's and the GPA counted for 4 full shots!

Sorry JW, what ur looknig at there is my hcap from this year, ur not seenig my hcap from last year which started out at 16 originally and i couldnt play anwyhere near it, so i got 12 0.1s back from singles haha, finished the year out at 17.2 and the put me up a stroke at the year end handicap revision as it was obvious that i couldnt play to a 16/17. Here are some of my cards from this time last year. Can browse through them anyway if you like. When i finally broke 100 i seem to fly down to around the 90 mark


http://golfshot.com/Rounds/Detail/163-5215083-5215259

http://golfshot.com/Rounds/Detail/178-5522551-5522742

Dr_Colossus

Tones69 wrote: »

Heres mine


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That's a pretty harsh handicap slashing Tones, you lost 3.0 full shots due to General Play/ESR?

The first 1.0 cut on 21/04 makes sense from a ESR standpoint with only 4 scores in the sequence and an average score of -5. The next 1.0 cut on 10/05 ties in with the ESR system also with 4 scores in the sequence and an average score of -4 and similarly the 1.0 cut on 19/05 coincides with the ESR rules with only 2 scores in the sequence and an average score of -4.

This is why I don't agree with the ESR system, granted you can obviously play to 10 so it's not the cuts in principal that I don't agree with but the method of calculation. For instance in the grand scheme of things there isn't a significant difference between a -3 and -4 beating score but your -4 score on 19/05 caused your handicap to drop by 1.8 shots while a -3 score would have resulted in a cut of 0.6 shots. That's a hugh difference in handicap for a category 2 player all because of one shot.

Similarly if the CSS was one shot higher on 10/05 and you'd beaten CSS by 3 shots instead of 4 your current handicap would be 12.1 instead of the current 9.7. That's a 2.4 shot difference because of two strokes, seem very unfair to me especially when you consider if you'd beaten the CSS by 5 strokes instead of 4 in the two competitions on 10/05 and 19/05 you wouldn't have received any additional ESR cut and would be playing to 9.3

Doesn't look like the ESR system was very well thought out in terms of a sliding scale of ability. Someone who repeatedly beats CSS by between 1 and 3 shots is way more deserving of an additional cut than a player who brings in two big scores in short succession.

Tones69

Dr_Colossus wrote: »

That's a pretty harsh handicap slashing Tones, you lost 3.0 full shots due to General Play/ESR?

The first 1.0 cut on 21/04 makes sense from a ESR standpoint with only 4 scores in the sequence and an average score of -5. The next 1.0 cut on 10/05 ties in with the ESR system also with 4 scores in the sequence and an average score of -4 and similarly the 1.0 cut on 19/05 coincides with the ESR rules with only 2 scores in the sequence and an average score of -4.

This is why I don't agree with the ESR system, granted you can obviously play to 10 so it's not the cuts in principal that I don't agree with but the method of calculation. For instance in the grand scheme of things there isn't a significant difference between a -3 and -4 beating score but your -4 score on 19/05 caused your handicap to drop by 1.8 shots while a -3 score would have resulted in a cut of 0.6 shots. That's a hugh difference in handicap for a category 2 player all because of one shot.

Similarly if the CSS was one shot higher on 10/05 and you'd beaten CSS by 3 shots instead of 4 your current handicap would be 12.1 instead of the current 9.7. That's a 2.4 shot difference because of two strokes, seem very unfair to me especially when you consider if you'd beaten the CSS by 5 strokes instead of 4 in the two competitions on 10/05 and 19/05 you wouldn't have received any additional ESR cut and would be playing to 9.3

Doesn't look like the ESR system was very well thought out in terms of a sliding scale of ability. Someone who repeatedly beats CSS by between 1 and 3 shots is way more deserving of an additional cut than a player who brings in two big scores in short succession.

I didnt ask for it, ive just been shooting really well. Ur not supposed to be beating your handicap by 4 and 5 and even 6 strokes, maybe 1 or 2 on a good day. If you shoot 4 5 and 6 strokes better than ur handicap regardless of who u are or what handicap then you deserve to have it slashed.

Theres too many guys off 18 who can play to a 10/12 when it suits them to be honest, think we all know that

matt-dublin

Totally agree here, ESR is working the way it's supposed to. If you beat CSS by 4 in any category you get cut significantly. If you beat it by four again after that you will get cut again but it also shows you have the ability to play much lower hence the additional cut

This will get rid of a lot of bandits in the next two years.

A handicap is only supposed to get you back to even par, not 4 or 5 under

I take the cuts on board and am happy with them. I think I can play to 9 and better, I also believe the cuts will make me a better golfer because I don't have the safety of messing up on holes I used to have shots on.

Mr. Larson

Dr_Colossus wrote: »

That's a pretty harsh handicap slashing Tones, you lost 3.0 full shots due to General Play/ESR? .

It certainly is severe, considering his GD (gross difference) was only once under 10 yet he almost finds himself at 9. Not sure if I agree that it's unfair though. As Tones alluded to it fast-tracks lads who are obviously on the way down quick, in all likelihood they will get to where they end up eventually, getting a bit more like the American system maybe.

Dr_Colossus

matt-dublin wrote: »

This will get rid of a lot of bandits in the next two years.
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I disagree, bandits will continue to play team competitions and avoid the singles competitions apart from pulling up for additional 0.1s. As previously implied yourself and Tones could have teamed up in Mar and gone on the team circuit cleaning up all around you but that wasn't your goal. Unfortunately not everyone is as honest and instead enjoy holding an overinflated handicap which they've no ambition of lowering.

I agree though that the ESR is achieving it's goal of significantly cutting improving players and in principal I agree with this. It's just the crude system and calculations that I think need developing since they look like something a primary school pubic developed.

Anyway I'm beginning to sound like a broken record so will leave it at that and let everyone get back practicing and cutting their handicap.

Russman

Firstly, well done to you guys for the handicap reductions this year, genuinely impressive stuff, kudos ! Keep it up lads.

matt-dublin wrote: »

This will get rid of a lot of bandits in the next two years.

I think if someone's a genuine bandit he will make sure he either doesn't break CSS by 4, or if he does, he won't do it twice

I'm probably going to rub people up the wrong way here, but IMHO its a poorly thought out, sledgehammer to crack a nut approach to a problem thats not all that big in the greater scheme of things.

I don't believe there's that many people off 18 who can play to 10 or 12 when they want to. At most I reckon any club has 4 or 5 genuine bandits, genuine being the key word. Anyone at all can break their handicap by 3, 4 or 5 shots on a given day, its the guys who can do it to order that are the problem. Its all very well doing it in a friendly fourball, card and pencil is a different matter for most people.

The real bandits will manage their handicap accordingly and the fast improvers or juniors will be thrilled to be fast tracked to where they would probably end up anyway.

The last thing a club needs is for the majority of its members to have handicaps that they can't play to purely because of two good scores that they were cut for anyway via the CSS mechanism. Madness.

GreeBo

Russman wrote: »

The last thing a club needs is for the majority of its members to have handicaps that they can't play to purely because of two good scores that they were cut for anyway via the CSS mechanism. Madness.

I agree with you right up to your last point.
You are not supposed to be able to play to your handicap all the time. Its supposed to be hard to do it, too many people can play averagely well and still come in with 36 points. If you can do this your handicap is too high.

You are supposed to play averagely well and have 32-35 points and let your buffer zone keep you from getting 0.1's or alternately, get a few 0.1s but then have a good round and get cut again.

Russman

GreeBo wrote: »

I agree with you right up to your last point.
You are not supposed to be able to play to your handicap all the time. Its supposed to be hard to do it, too many people can play averagely well and still come in with 36 points. If you can do this your handicap is too high.

You are supposed to play averagely well and have 32-35 points and let your buffer zone keep you from getting 0.1's or alternately, get a few 0.1s but then have a good round and get cut again.

I disagree with the principle of not supposed to be able to play to your handicap all the time but can see where you're coming from. In practice nobody does anyway
Actually its more like I don't think it should be hard to play to your handicap, nor should it be easy. I think it should be your average standard of play, more or less. Which is where the buffer comes in. If you play poorly you'll get 0.1 if you play well you'll break CSS.

Your last paragraph is exactly how it should work, but depending on the course, the higher end 35 might well be 36 or 37. Back in the day, I can remember getting 0.1 on a couple of occasions for 36pts when CSS was 38.

PhilipMarlowe

If your handicap was to be your average, then you should get .1 for a bad round and only get cut .1 for a good one!

matt-dublin

PhilipMarlowe wrote: »

If your handicap was to be your average, then you should get .1 for a bad round and only get cut .1 for a good one!

thats there the categories come in and why there there.

people at the high end get better faster than people at the low end

Webbs

Russman wrote: »

I disagree with the principle of not supposed to be able to play to your handicap all the time but can see where you're coming from. In practice nobody does anyway
Actually its more like I don't think it should be hard to play to your handicap, nor should it be easy. I think it should be your average standard of play, more or less. Which is where the buffer comes in. If you play poorly you'll get 0.1 if you play well you'll break CSS.

I was led to believe that you should shoot to your handicap roughly one in five or so rounds. I agree with the posters (GreeBo, Marlowe) above that if 36pts was average your handicap would therefore be coming down quickly (very few 0.1s compared to cuts as you would also be shooting in the buffer zone)

Say 10 rounds of golf - 4 rounds at 36, 3 rounds at 34 and 3 rounds at 38 would result in a cut of 1.2 shots for cat 2 golfer, ok this is back of envelope stuff but you get the idea of why 36 is not your average round.

GreeBo

Russman wrote: »

I disagree with the principle of not supposed to be able to play to your handicap all the time but can see where you're coming from. In practice nobody does anyway
Actually its more like I don't think it should be hard to play to your handicap, nor should it be easy. I think it should be your average standard of play, more or less. Which is where the buffer comes in. If you play poorly you'll get 0.1 if you play well you'll break CSS.

Your last paragraph is exactly how it should work, but depending on the course, the higher end 35 might well be 36 or 37. Back in the day, I can remember getting 0.1 on a couple of occasions for 36pts when CSS was 38.

If you disagree with what I said then you disagree with the congu system under which we all play!
The American system is an average but congu is much more complicated.
The actual number of points is irrelevant, I was using 36 as an average CSS score.

Also Matt the categories are not there because of the speed of people getting better, you are assuming a beginner off 18 with that argument. What about the lads who are in their 50s playing off 20.
The categories are there because toot statistical room for improvement is much higher offside a high handicap.
I.e. its it becomes much harder to shoot 18 under nett off scratch than it is off 36. The closer you get to perfection the harder it is to find improvements.

Russman

GreeBo wrote: »

If you disagree with what I said then you disagree with the congu system under which we all play!
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Not necessarily, CONGUs own website states that handicaps should reflect as accurately as possible the playing standard of the golfer at a point in time. it depends on what you define as playing standard.

The definition from CONGU specifically mentions "average ability":
http://www.congu.com/faqs/handicaps.pdf


I'm not going to argue over a shot or two either way in a score, but I do think that a player should shoot in or around his handicap most of the time. Obviously none of us amateurs are consistent enough to be always in that bracket but I don't believe it should be "hard" to play to your handicap.

matt-dublin

GreeBo wrote: »

Russman wrote: »

I disagree with the principle of not supposed to be able to play to your handicap all the time but can see where you're coming from. In practice nobody does anyway
Actually its more like I don't think it should be hard to play to your handicap, nor should it be easy. I think it should be your average standard of play, more or less. Which is where the buffer comes in. If you play poorly you'll get 0.1 if you play well you'll break CSS.

Your last paragraph is exactly how it should work, but depending on the course, the higher end 35 might well be 36 or 37. Back in the day, I can remember getting 0.1 on a couple of occasions for 36pts when CSS was 38.

If you disagree with what I said then you disagree with the congu system under which we all play!
The American system is an average but congu is much more complicated.
The actual number of points is irrelevant, I was using 36 as an average CSS score.

Also Matt the categories are not there because of the speed of people getting better, you are assuming a beginner off 18 with that argument. What about the lads who are in their 50s playing off 20.
The categories are there because toot statistical room for improvement is much higher offside a high handicap.
I.e. its it becomes much harder to shoot 18 under nett off scratch than it is off 36. The closer you get to perfection the harder it is to find improvements.

That's pretty much what I said???

GreeBo

matt-dublin wrote: »

That's pretty much what I said???

Fair enough so, I thought you were making a different argument!

The categories are also there to distinguish between expected consistency levels. (buffer zone)

ForeRight

ForeRight wrote: »

matt-dublin wrote: »

ForeRight wrote: »

Can you get cut by this rule twice does anyone know?

Last week I got cut .5 under this rule as I had shot 44 points and a 41 in the space of ten rounds. They said if I did it in 9 round space it would have been a full stroke cut.

I was cut from 12 to 11 exactly after shooting 41 points last week then the .5 was applied to make it exact handicap of 10.5 but still playing off 11.

Today off that 11 I had 41 points in the open in naas.

Will I be cut again under this rule. I hope so because it will make me an official single figure handicap which is what I was aiming for by end of thr summer.

I think you would need to beat CSS by 4 in the rounds proceeding your last esr. Ie from you last esr two more good rounds

I think I understand cheers. I will need to beat CSS by 4 strokes in my next 8 rounds or so for this to kick in again is that it?

That's a shame. Can't complain anyway as it's going in thr right direction anyway.

Turns out you can get cut twice.

Got an email this morning informing me i was cut by a full stroke again after playing on Wednesday. I was down to 9.7 after that and now on golfnet I'm down to 8.7 with ESHR twice hitting me in 2 weeks.

Officially a single figure golfer now. Delighted.

Looking at my golfnet and I was off 18 last July when I got my first ever GUI and carried 16 into this year. Cuts began at end of march so got down pretty quickly.

I played yesterday in a society outing and had 75 gross +3 for 43 points off 10 handicap.
Should I be informing my handicap secretary of that card or how does that work?

FixdePitchmark

ForeRight wrote: »

Turns out you can get cut twice.

Got an email this morning informing me i was cut by a full stroke again after playing on Wednesday. I was down to 9.7 after that and now on golfnet I'm down to 8.7 with ESHR twice hitting me in 2 weeks.

Officially a single figure golfer now. Delighted.

Looking at my golfnet and I was off 18 last July when I got my first ever GUI and carried 16 into this year. Cuts began at end of march so got down pretty quickly.

I played yesterday in a society outing and had 75 gross +3 for 43 points off 10 handicap.
Should I be informing my handicap secretary of that card or how does that work?

From 18 to 16 to 9.7 to 8.7 :eek::eek::eek::eek: Amazing.

43 pts off 10 in society , I'm sure they love you

Fair play, great play.

ForeRight

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

ForeRight wrote: »

Turns out you can get cut twice.

Got an email this morning informing me i was cut by a full stroke again after playing on Wednesday. I was down to 9.7 after that and now on golfnet I'm down to 8.7 with ESHR twice hitting me in 2 weeks.

Officially a single figure golfer now. Delighted.

Looking at my golfnet and I was off 18 last July when I got my first ever GUI and carried 16 into this year. Cuts began at end of march so got down pretty quickly.

I played yesterday in a society outing and had 75 gross +3 for 43 points off 10 handicap.
Should I be informing my handicap secretary of that card or how does that work?

From 18 to 16 to 9.7 to 8.7 :eek::eek::eek::eek: Amazing.

43 pts off 10 in society , I'm sure they love you

Fair play, great play.

My first outing too

I didn't win though. 47 won it ha ha. Some fella off 28(likely story)

Course was very short and greens were slow in the rain so CSS would have been about 70 I'd say

FixdePitchmark

ForeRight wrote: »

My first outing too

I didn't win though. 47 won it ha ha. Some fella off 28(likely story)

Course was very short and greens were slow in the rain so CSS would have been about 70 I'd say

47 :eek::o:confused:

Your grand then, Golf Bandits Society.

Dr_Colossus

ForeRight wrote: »

My first outing too

I didn't win though. 47 won it ha ha. Some fella off 28(likely story)

Course was very short and greens were slow in the rain so CSS would have been about 70 I'd say

Christ, you shoot 3 over and bring in 43pts of 10 and it's not good enough to win. Nuts to that, there'll be some serious handicap adjustments in the next outing. 36 is usually a hugh score in my society with anything in the 30s in with a shout of winning depending on the day.
What course was it that was so short and easy? Either way that's great shooting, you're up there with Tones and Matt to see how can slash their handicap the most. I've been working hard on my game and handicap but that's another level altogether. Well done.

ForeRight

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

ForeRight wrote: »

My first outing too

I didn't win though. 47 won it ha ha. Some fella off 28(likely story)

Course was very short and greens were slow in the rain so CSS would have been about 70 I'd say

47 :eek::o:confused:

Your grand then, Golf Bandits Society.

Get this!!!!!!

The fella plays in the work society. He was off 14 in it but went up to 17 this year. No club but he is able to play obviously.
He joins a club 3 weeks ago and hands in 3 cards that are about 100 or so he said. Told me he played in that terrible weather few weeks ago and that was he honest scores.

The club gave him 28 !!!!!!!!!!

Ridiculous!!!!!


Turns up yesterday for the outing and the organiser says because he now has a GUI he plays under that handicap

Rocks in with 27 points on the back 9

What can you do but laugh!!!!

It's all about personal achievement I had to tell myself last night after shooting +3 to no avail

ForeRight

Dr_Colossus wrote: »

ForeRight wrote: »

My first outing too

I didn't win though. 47 won it ha ha. Some fella off 28(likely story)

Course was very short and greens were slow in the rain so CSS would have been about 70 I'd say

Christ, you shoot 3 over and bring in 43pts of 10 and it's not good enough to win. Nuts to that, there'll be some serious handicap adjustments in the next outing. 36 is usually a hugh score in my society with anything in the 30s in with a shout of winning depending on the day.
What course was it that was so short and easy? Either way that's great shooting, you're up there with Tones and Matt to see how can slash their handicap the most. I've been working hard on my game and handicap but that's another level altogether. Well done.

When I'm on my laptop and not the phone I'll throw up a screen shot like the lads did earlier in this thread in the penis measuring contest

Let's see who has the biggest d**k

Tones69

Man you should need a doctors cert or something to play off 28 ha, unless you are basically incapable for parring a hole due to some sort of physical disability like a woeful bad back or something. Played with a fella a few months back off 24 and had 4 pars in a row and on tough holes ,16 pts for 4 holes, total joke

charlieIRL

now thats pulling the pi$$ bigtime. Hope ye have cuts in your society??

FixdePitchmark

:D

Tones69 wrote: »

Man you should need a doctors cert or something to play off 28 ha, unless you are basically incapable for parring a hole due to some sort of physical disability like a woeful bad back or something. Played with a fella a few months back off 24 and had 4 pars in a row and on tough holes ,16 pts for 4 holes, total joke

No room for pc here ?

funny stuff :D

PhilipMarlowe

ForeRight wrote: »

Get this!!!!!!

The fella plays in the work society. He was off 14 in it but went up to 17 this year. No club but he is able to play obviously.
He joins a club 3 weeks ago and hands in 3 cards that are about 100 or so he said. Told me he played in that terrible weather few weeks ago and that was he honest scores.

The club gave him 28 !!!!!!!!!!

Ridiculous!!!!!

I presume he "forgot" to mention in a note with his 3 cards that he previously played off 14 (in a society?).

Russman

Very surprised a club gave someone 28 to start with, most clubs will only give 18 or maybe 24 at a push no matter how bad the 3 cards.

Still, he should have mentioned he played previously

ForeRight

I told the guy looking after our society to stick the winning card into an envelope and send it to the handicap secretary at the fellas club.

That will sort it pretty quick!!!

charlieIRL

ForeRight wrote: »

I told the guy looking after our society to stick the winning card into an envelope and send it to the handicap secretary at the fellas club.

That will sort it pretty quick!!!

it might not, I have declared all my cards from Classics etc and they have always been ignored. Then again it took me about 5 months to get my handicap from the secretary when i started out.

diarmuid05

43 points off 10 in the Open Yesterday evening.
CSS 37

Cut 1.2 For yesterday
Plus 1.0 ESR

So off 7.3 for the President's tomorrow.

Rikand

diarmuid05 wrote: »

43 points off 10 in the Open Yesterday evening.
CSS 37

Cut 1.2 For yesterday
Plus 1.0 ESR

So off 7.3 for the President's tomorrow.

Man in form, what odds are you getting in the book, might have to stick a 5'er on ya

Rikand

quick question - if for example I shoot two rounds of 40 points around Athlone and get cut .8 and .8 for it, down to 5.... then I won't be eligible for the ESR cause I'll be category 1 ?

diarmuid05

Rickylovesuall wrote: »

quick question - if for example I shoot two rounds of 40 points around Athlone and get cut .8 and .8 for it, down to 5.... then I won't be eligible for the ESR cause I'll be category 1 ?

My rather basic understanding of it is that you have to beat CSS by 4 or more shots in a short period of time

Rikand

diarmuid05 wrote: »

My rather basic understanding of it is that you have to beat CSS by 4 or more shots in a short period of time

yeah, I just thought I read somewhere that if you go to category 1 you don't get the ESR oh well, I guess I'll shoot two rounds over 40 points first and then see what happens

Dr_Colossus

Rickylovesuall wrote: »

yeah, I just thought I read somewhere that if you go to category 1 you don't get the ESR oh well, I guess I'll shoot two rounds over 40 points first and then see what happens

Correct, the ESR can only bring your handicap down to 5.5, after that it's just the normal CSS beating cuts. At least the ESR had the foresight to stop there.

Myksyk

Dr_Colossus wrote: »

Correct, the ESR can only bring your handicap down to 5.5, after that it's just the normal CSS beating cuts. At least the ESR had the foresight to stop there.

That's right. Interestingly, the esr cuts seem to be the same as normally applied to your category (i.e. 0.2s for category 2 players). We had the following scenario a few weeks ago ... Guy cut to 5.6 after two two scores more than 4 above CSS so due an extra esr. While I knew it was not allowed to cut him into category 1, I was surprised to see that it woud not cut him to 5.5. Reason apparently is that the esr in cat2 is by 0.2s so the smallest cut that could be applied by the esr was to 5.4, which was not allowed. If you can follow all that!!!

Golfgraffix

Just to get this right in my head.

was playing off 14.1 two weeks ago and won with 40 pts where SS was 35, Got cut 1.5 and down to 12.6. next game a week later had 29 points and got .1 back so out to 12.7. Today had another 40 pts again SS should be about 35 so expect to loose another 1.5 so will be 11.1.

Question is, will I get another cut of 1?

I hope so as that gets me back to 10 for the 1st time in 4 years (since the kids came along) The 1 good round from single figures, never been there before!

J