[US] 6 Year Old Arrested for Death Threats to Principal

Gee Bag

Police in a small Indiana town took a six-year-old from his school and charged him with battery and intimidation after he kicked and threatened a principal, police said.
The Indiana student, who had been suspended from school recently for biting and hitting a staff member, was arrested on April 18th at Hendricks Elementary School in Shelbyville, which is about 30 miles southeast of Indianapolis.
"This was not an isolated incident," Shelbyville police lieutenant Michael Turner said.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2012/0426/breaking16.html

Lokks like another Columbine type massacre has been nipped in the bud!

kylith

It's good that he learns that his actions have serious consequences. I doubt that they actually intend to send him to Sing Sing.

MagicMarker

Strike 1.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

kylith wrote: »

It's good that he learns that his actions have serious consequences. I doubt that they actually intend to send him to Sing Sing.

When he says "this is not an isolatd incident", does he mean this kid's done it before (in which case, get the kid help) or loads of kids are it...?!

prinz

Gee Bag wrote: »

Lokks like another Columbine type massacre has been nipped in the bud!

Quite possibly. Wasn't there a case of a kid that age bringing a gun into school and accidentally shooting another pupil not long ago?

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/22/10480055-8-year-old-girl-critically-wounded-in-washington-state-school-shooting

It's also possible the social services would have difficulty getting involved without a police report, so could be killing to birds with one stone..

MonkeyTennis

Typical Shelbyville behaviour

FatherLen

thank heavens they caught the sick bastard before anyone was hurt!

davet82

Unless he had a gun this is stupid

child obviously needs medical/psychological help

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

The whole Comubine connection is ridiculous. If you thnk there's a connection, you know nothign about the original massacre or it's causes.

mikemac1

Shelbyville of course
You wouldn't see that going on in Springfield

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

mikemac1 wrote: »

Shelbyville of course
You wouldn't see that going on in Springfield

Isn't that near Tallaght...?

kylith

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

kylith wrote: »

It's good that he learns that his actions have serious consequences. I doubt that they actually intend to send him to Sing Sing.

When he says "this is not an isolatd incident", does he mean this kid's done it before (in which case, get the kid help) or loads of kids are it...?!

I'd say he kid's done it before. He may not need any more help than being shown that his behavior won't be tolerated.

flutered

in a nearby national school a girl in fifth class was not getting on with her teacher, so in her words here is how she dealt with the situtation, i told the bitch that i would punch her then damage her car, now things are fine, how the hell is she going to get an education.

ejmaztec

kylith wrote: »

It's good that he learns that his actions have serious consequences. I doubt that they actually intend to send him to Sing Sing.

I hardly think that singing lessons are going to cure the little fecker.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

kylith wrote: »

I'd say he kid's done it before. He may not need any more help ham being shown that his behavior won't be tolerated.

Yeah, it's possible, but impossible to say without saying more.

The thing is, and most Western societies are crap at this, they aren't going to solve problems like this until the get to and accept the root casue of the porblem, whatever it is.

hairyprincess

Shelbyville indeed.

You wouldn't catch Nelson or Bart at that carry on

tfitzgerald

kylith wrote: »

It's good that he learns that his actions have serious consequences. I doubt that they actually intend to send him to Sing Sing.

You would never know with the yanks they will probably try him as an adult and give him life .

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

tfitzgerald wrote: »

You would never know with the yanks they will probably try him as an adult and give him life .

Nah... the "death threats" is just an over-ehusiastic OP looking for attention. There's no mention of it anywhere else.

thebigbiffo

davet82 wrote: »

Unless he had a gun this is stupid

child obviously needs medical/psychological help

i dont buy this manby pamby BS - the kids obviously another ted bundy waiting to happy. scare the f'uck out of hime, maybe even lock him up with a biker gang for the night, see if he's so quick to threaten a teach again.

worked for me...

fishy fishy

prinz wrote: »

Quite possibly. Wasn't there a case of a kid that age bringing a gun into school and accidentally shooting another pupil not long ago?

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/22/10480055-8-year-old-girl-critically-wounded-in-washington-state-school-shooting

It's also possible the social services would have difficulty getting involved without a police report, so could be killing to birds with one stone..

no, that was the then vice president out huntin' :D

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

thebigbiffo wrote: »

i dont buy this manby pamby BS - the kids obviously another ted bundy waiting to happy. scare the f'uck out of hime, maybe even lock him up with a biker gang for the night, see if he's so quick to threaten a teach again.

worked for me...

Are you saying that kids never need psychological help? Or what do you know abotu this case that we don't?

The problem with "namby pamby BS" is that, no matter what you ignorantly dismiss it, is that sometimes is it's EXACLTY what's needed.

But as I said, without knowing or accepting the root cause of the problem...

davet82

thebigbiffo wrote: »

i dont buy this manby pamby BS - the kids obviously another ted bundy waiting to happy. scare the f'uck out of hime, maybe even lock him up with a biker gang for the night, see if he's so quick to threaten a teach again.

worked for me...

maybe the child has been fiddled with, maybe some sort of chemical imbalance in his brain or maybe he is just an evil little bástard but i think he needed to be assessed medically/psychologically first before calling the cops on him

stovelid

Blah blah parents blah blah welfare blah blah jail blah blah in my day blah blah all fields here once blah blah evil blah blah

prinz

davet82 wrote: »

maybe the child has been fiddled with, maybe some sort of chemical imbalance in his brain or maybe he is just an evil little bástard but i think he needed to be assessed medically/psychologically first before calling the cops on him

The thing is, perhaps the parents refused to allow the kid be assessed and the only way to ensure the kid gets the appropriate care he needs is for a judge to order it be done, hence calling the cops on him. Sometimes calling the cops comes before the real help can be provided.

davet82

prinz wrote: »

The thing is, perhaps the parents refused to allow the kid be assessed and the only way to ensure the kid gets the appropriate care he needs is for a judge to order it be done, hence calling the cops on him. Sometimes calling the cops comes before the real help can be provided.

thats a very good point, if so cool, if it just a case of teaching him a lesson and not going down the correct avenues imo then its stupid

MungBean

MonkeyTennis wrote: »

Typical Shelbyville behaviour

Maybe thats why we beat them at football nearly half the time.

thebigbiffo

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Are you saying that kids never need psychological help? Or what do you know abotu this case that we don't?

The problem with "namby pamby BS" is that, no matter what you ignorantly dismiss it, is that sometimes is it's EXACLTY what's needed.

But as I said, without knowing or accepting the root cause of the problem...

davet82 wrote: »

maybe the child has been fiddled with, maybe some sort of chemical imbalance in his brain or maybe he is just an evil little bástard but i think he needed to be assessed medically/psychologically first before calling the cops on him

the part that indicates i wasn't being entirely serious is where i state 'it worked for me'...or maybe you guys think all bold six year old from offaly are locked up for a night with a biker gang ...

however, in saying that, theres no indication either that he's got psycological problems - why do we always look at that as the first option? it could be a simple case of him being a bold little f'ucker that needs a good sharp shock as much as 'oh he's obviously a chemical imbalance'.

shagging kids gloves...it's a knuckle duster this kids needs :P

LittleBook

prinz wrote: »

The thing is, perhaps the parents refused to allow the kid be assessed and the only way to ensure the kid gets the appropriate care he needs is for a judge to order it be done, hence calling the cops on him. Sometimes calling the cops comes before the real help can be provided.

From the article:

Lieut Turner said he hoped the filing of juvenile charges would help get the child needed help. "Putting him into the system can open up avenues perhaps the parents don't have," Turner said.

Gee Bag

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Nah... the "death threats" is just an over-ehusiastic OP looking for attention. There's no mention of it anywhere else.

Attention seeking????? Moi????

The front page of the Irish Times website mentions 'death threats'. It was also on a Fox News website so it must be true.

http://www.fox59.com/news/wxin-shelbyville-boy-kicks-principal-shelbyville-boy-6-arrested-on-battery-charge-after-kicking-principal-20120425,0,5260842.column

padd b1975

MungBean wrote: »

Maybe thats why we beat them at football nearly half the time.

I bet the little prick stole our lemon tree too.

omahaid

mmmmmm, turnip juice

tfitzgerald

stovelid wrote: »

Blah blah parents blah blah welfare blah blah jail blah blah in my day blah blah all fields here once blah blah evil blah blah

I totally disagree with that statement . I hate people who go easy on crime:D

Faolchu

kylith wrote: »

I'd say he kid's done it before. He may not need any more help than being shown that his behavior won't be tolerated.

by his parents

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

thebigbiffo wrote: »

the part that indicates i wasn't being entirely serious is where i state 'it worked for me'...or maybe you guys think all bold six year old from offaly are locked up for a night with a biker gang ...

however, in saying that, theres no indication either that he's got psycological problems - why do we always look at that as the first option? it could be a simple case of him being a bold little f'ucker that needs a good sharp shock as much as 'oh he's obviously a chemical imbalance'.

shagging kids gloves...it's a knuckle duster this kids needs :P

Fairy nuff, sometimes tircky to tell arond here!

Gee Bag wrote: »

Attention seeking????? Moi????

The front page of the Irish Times website mentions 'death threats'. It was also on a Fox News website so it must be true.

http://www.fox59.com/news/wxin-shelbyville-boy-kicks-principal-shelbyville-boy-6-arrested-on-battery-charge-after-kicking-principal-20120425,0,5260842.column

Neither the Irish Times nor the page linked to carries the words "death threats". Possibly they've changed it since you startde the thread (definitey with Fox anyway).

cofy

The assistant principal led the student to a police car where an officer placed him in the back seat, buckled him in and drove him to the police department, the report said. He was not handcuffed.

The incident followed one earlier in April where police handcuffed a six-year-old girl who was screaming and crying and had injured a principal and damaged property at an elementary school in Milledgeville, Georgia. She was not charged.

Is there such a thing as handcuffs that would fit a 6 year old?

davet82

thebigbiffo wrote: »

however, in saying that, theres no indication either that he's got psycological problems - why do we always look at that as the first option? it could be a simple case of him being a bold little f'ucker that needs a good sharp shock as much as 'oh he's obviously a chemical imbalance'.

better to be safe than sorry?


i know your responce was a bit tongue 'n cheek

Gee Bag

cofy wrote: »

Is there such a thing as handcuffs that would fit a 6 year old?

That would be an ecumenical matter

Gee Bag

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Neither the Irish Times nor the page linked to carries the words "death threats". Possibly they've changed it since you startde the thread (definitey with Fox anyway).

from the link to Fox

According to the police report, the school’s assistant principal, Jessica Poe, told police the boy had just returned to school from suspension for allegedly biting and hitting a staff member. Poe stated the boy kicked Principal Patrick Lumbley and threatened to kill Lumbley and Poe

There ya go.

thebigbiffo

davet82 wrote: »

better to be safe than sorry?


i know your responce was a bit tongue 'n cheek

up until a few decades ago you got a right good kicking for being a little s'hit - and the crime rate was lower, even in the states.

i think we've all gone a tad soft.

Ikky Poo2

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Nah... the "death threats" is just an over-ehusiastic OP looking for attention. There's no mention of it anywhere else.

School officials called police, reporting that the student, who was not identified, had kicked Principal Patrick Lumbley and told him and Assistant Principal Jessica Poe that he was going to kill them, a Shelbyville police report said.

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HavingCrack

thebigbiffo wrote: »

up until a few decades ago you got a right good kicking for being a little s'hit - and the crime rate was lower, even in the states.

i think we've all gone a tad soft.

Sorry but that's pure bollocks, have you ever looked at the crime statistics for Ireland? The murder rate in the 1870's was 3 times higher than it is today for example.

Look at Victorian England, some of the most draconian punishments known to man, still had an exceptionally high crime rate compared to today.


There's nothing big about knocking the **** out of children (which is what used to happen a few decades ago).

grindle

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Are you saying that kids never need psychological help? Or what do you know abotu this case that we don't?

The problem with "namby pamby BS" is that, no matter what you ignorantly dismiss it, is that sometimes is it's EXACLTY what's needed.

...without knowing or accepting the root cause of the problem...

Bad philosophical foundation? Usually the only chance society gets to fix that is once somebody fuucks up/once they're an adult.
Terrible state of affairs, to be sure to be sure.

thebigbiffo

HavingCrack wrote: »

Sorry but that's pure bollocks, have you ever looked at the crime statistics for Ireland? The murder rate in the 1870's was 3 times higher than it is today for example.

Look at Victorian England, some of the most draconian punishments known to man, still had an exceptionally high crime rate compared to today.


There's nothing big about knocking the **** out of children (which is what used to happen a few decades ago).

in 1950's ireland there was a nationwide manhunt for any mad hoor who stole a bicycle - that's all i'm saying.

1870's? bah, shure weren't the english over here with there heathen ways...and their duels and jousts and gentlemans honour and all that malarky.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

grindle wrote: »

Bad philosophical foundation? Usually the only chance society gets to fix that is once somebody fuucks up/once they're an adult.
Terrible state of affairs, to be sure to be sure.

I see your point, but my point is after the event.

Columbine was the result of bullying.

The assumed problem? Kids bring guns to school - wrong. The responce? Metal detectors. Okay.... Did it work? No. Since then, bullying is just an endemic in US high schools and there have been more shootings and, to add, suicides.

With this kid, yes, there is a chance he just needs a bit discipline. There's also a chance of mental problems. There's also a chance he's beign abused in some way, possibly by adults, possibly by his peers. He could also be the next Columbine, but, philosphically, speaking, wouldn't you want to know NOW, and respond accrodginly, rather than wait ten years?

kylith

Faolchu wrote: »

kylith wrote: »

I'd say he kid's done it before. He may not need any more help than being shown that his behavior won't be tolerated.

by his parents

Who, barring any mental issues with the just, are the ones who've enabled this behaviour. They need parenting classes of that's the case.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Gee Bag wrote: »

from the link to Fox


There ya go.

I think there's a little difference between saying "i'll kill you" and actually mkaign a death threat. There are "death threats" issued every night in Temple Bar!

Your point is taken, though.

bluewolf wrote: »

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Yours I'm not sure about...?