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Anyway my knee is quite sore today, dont worry am making the trip to get new runners tomorrow as I know that a big part of the problem, but to ease the pain should I use a hot or cold pack, have googled it but couldnt find a clear answer so if anyone has any advice from past experience would be much appreciated.
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Hi Martin_ie2012 I had awful trouble with sore knees about a month ago, around the time I really upped my weekly mileage. Anyway I took a whole week off running (which was really hard!) and started taking Glucosamine - the high strength ones - 1500mg a day. Anyway I haven't had a single twinge since! I'm not sure if its the glucosamine or just that my knees are getting used to it but something has worked and I take the pills religiously...might be worth a try
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Hi Alanm I don't know if I'm the best person to advise you but I'm in exactly the same boat. I did my longest LSR yesterday 14.4 miles and am doing a HM at week 1 and week 5 of the plan. So to follow the plan would be a step backwards. I think I'm going to jump in at Week 5 as week 1 and follow it there so my second HM will be in week 5 - but I'll be on week 9 of the plan. Then I was thinking of going back to join the plan at week 6 - so therefore cutting out weeks 1-4 and repeating 6-9. I'm not sure if this is the best approach but its all I can come up with
I'm also in the same boat, I'm just back from 11 miles and will be up to12 miles by the time the plan starts, so don't particularly want to cut back my mileage drastically. I'm doing the HH2 also, do that's a good idea about skipping the first few weeks and then repeating weeks 6-9. Think I might do that and then at least there'll be a few of us doing the same mileage.
I also take Glaucausamine (sp?) I started taking it last year when my hips were giving me grief. To be honest, I don't know how effective it really is, I don't notice any difference if I'm out of it for a week. I think it's more to do with your body getting used to the high mileage. But I still take it, you never know, maybe it's working in a preventative way, I haven't had any aches or pains to speak off (bar ongoing sciatica which I don't think I'd running related). And I know some people who swear by it, so I'd say it's worth a try.0 -
Weekly check in! Plan was 3-5-3-8LSR, only went half to plan this week!
Did my 3 on Tuesday, and went to the DSD marathon running talk. Really motivating & well worth attending.
Wednesday: my Garmin decided it had had enough & wouldn't charge. Was busy with urgent (after 3 years) flat-pack business & friends moving to London, so no run. :mad:
Thursday I went out to do Wednesday's 5 mile run. Since I was just guessing my pace & distance, I ran for ~46 mins which (according to Google maps) looks like about 4.5 miles.
Saturday I headed out to do my 8 mile LSR, again guessing the distance by time. I figured 11:30ish min miles * 8 miles = 92 mins, so even allowing for getting tired / uneven pacing etc., if I did 90-100 mins I'd cover the 8 miles. Ran for ~99 mins & could feel that my right knee & lungs were fairly tired by the end of it. Was like a zombie with tiredness for the rest of the day, so in future I'll be scheduling an afternoon nap after my LSRs.
Today I got back on Google maps to check my distance for the 8 mile LSR; turns out it was more like 9 miles!!! :eek: (8.97m) No wonder I was so knackered!
Plan for next week: 3-5-3-8 again. I'm going to be in Galway for the weekend so looking forward to the novelty of new scenery. Planned my route already! :cool:
Trying to resurrect my watch with software updates & such today: & it looks like it's charging so hopefully I'll get a few more weeks out of it! :pac:
Excited to get started on the Official Training the week after next. This madness is getting closer...0 -
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shortie_chik wrote: »Weekly check in! Plan was 3-5-3-8LSR, only went half to plan this week!
Did my 3 on Tuesday, and went to the DSD marathon running talk. Really motivating & well worth attending.
Wednesday: my Garmin decided it had had enough & wouldn't charge. Was busy with urgent (after 3 years) flat-pack business & friends moving to London, so no run. :mad:
Thursday I went out to do Wednesday's 5 mile run. Since I was just guessing my pace & distance, I ran for ~46 mins which (according to Google maps) looks like about 4.5 miles.
Saturday I headed out to do my 8 mile LSR, again guessing the distance by time. I figured 11:30ish min miles * 8 miles = 92 mins, so even allowing for getting tired / uneven pacing etc., if I did 90-100 mins I'd cover the 8 miles. Ran for ~99 mins & could feel that my right knee & lungs were fairly tired by the end of it. Was like a zombie with tiredness for the rest of the day, so in future I'll be scheduling an afternoon nap after my LSRs.
Today I got back on Google maps to check my distance for the 8 mile LSR; turns out it was more like 9 miles!!! :eek: (8.97m) No wonder I was so knackered!
Plan for next week: 3-5-3-8 again. I'm going to be in Galway for the weekend so looking forward to the novelty of new scenery. Planned my route already! :cool:
Trying to resurrect my watch with software updates & such today: & it looks like it's charging so hopefully I'll get a few more weeks out of it! :pac:
Excited to get started on the Official Training the week after next. This madness is getting closer...
Use mapmyrun.com beforehand to work out an appropriate route. No need to be guessing.0 -
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shortie_chik wrote: »I've a few routes for different distances worked out online this evening, incase my watch is going to be out of action. No more over-running for me!
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So my weekly log for last week, 5 easy, 4 easy, 4 tempo, 11 long
I did the 11 lsr yesterday morning, I still think I’m running my lsr a bit fast, I was averaging a 9.27 min mile, my target race pace is 9 min mile, so I could probably do with slowing my lsr by 10 or 20 seconds. I did find the 11 miles quite tough, it was really sunny and warm here yesterday morning, so I struggled a bit in the heat, my legs felt very sluggish at the end. But I got there and there was some tight hills in there, so legs probably would have been a bit fresher if the route had been flatter.
To make matters worse, I had no suncream in the house, so I got a bit sunburned round the shoulders and back….. and I was wearing a racer back top, so I have some very interesting patterns on my back today!
Aiming for 4-5-4-12 this week, and looking forward to the plan starting proper next week!0 -
Started training in November, all going very well so far. Ran Flora Mini on 4th June, where I suspected I got groin strain, but thought I could work through it. Hasnt been too bad, and I've been taking it a bit easier. Was to do my LSR on Sat, 12 miles, had to give up @ 9m. Went out yesterday evening for a short one to see how I felt. Searing pain down front of thigh... will have to have it seen to, but dont know who any advise welcome, but needless to say, I am very distressed as don't want to have to take a long break at this detrimental stage of training. 0
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Started training in November, all going very well so far. Ran Flora Mini on 4th June, where I suspected I got groin strain, but thought I could work through it. Hasnt been too bad, and I've been taking it a bit easier. Was to do my LSR on Sat, 12 miles, had to give up @ 9m. Went out yesterday evening for a short one to see how I felt. Searing pain down front of thigh... will have to have it seen to, but dont know who any advise welcome, but needless to say, I am very distressed as don't want to have to take a long break at this detrimental stage of training.
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Started training in November, all going very well so far. Ran Flora Mini on 4th June, where I suspected I got groin strain, but thought I could work through it. Hasnt been too bad, and I've been taking it a bit easier. Was to do my LSR on Sat, 12 miles, had to give up @ 9m. Went out yesterday evening for a short one to see how I felt. Searing pain down front of thigh... will have to have it seen to, but dont know who any advise welcome, but needless to say, I am very distressed as don't want to have to take a long break at this detrimental stage of training.
Best go see a Physio.
Groin strains are normally not that serious but you can aggravate it if you keep running on it. Also don't try stretching it.0 -
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I had a very strange experience today and I wonder if this is normal ...
Background to this which may be relevant is I run my LSR's on Mondays as it suits my work life. On Saturday night I went out to a cousins 40th party with the honest intention of only having 4 beers and taking it easy - one thing led to another and I overshot by about 4 beers - add in a family barbecue on Sunday and I came out of the weekend with zero excercise and a couple of belly fulls of food and drink. (Typical couch potato style ) I decided that I needed to work off those extra calories and opted to extend my LSR to 10 miles / 16 Kilometres today. My longest ever run prior to this was 12K last Monday. I was following the 10 mile race route for the race series in the phoenix park.
So off I went today at a slow enough pace fully intent on running 10 miles and wanting to save energy. Big issue though - left shin was hurting, not sharp pain just a dull ache and tightness. Over the course of the first 2k the calf and ankle joined in (probably compensating in some way for the pain in the shin by running slightly differently) Ended up having to walk a bit trying to see if short walk break would ease it out. It didn't seem to be and I was contemplating calling the entire run off early as I didn't want to cause long term injury for short term goal gain. Anyway things improved around the 5k mark and any aches and pains were normal and in line with the rest of the body so I kept going. By K7 I was back running the downhill of the main phoenix park road. I had come back past my car and had grabbed a bottle of water which was a great help and I felt strong enough to do the second half.
Around 12 / 13 K into the run I'm feeling like I normally would after a long run. I'm hot, I'm a bit thirsty, I'm tired and I'm concentrating on putting one foot in front of the other and focused on making it back to the car. I've just come up one of the steep hills on the chapelizood side of the park And here comes the strange bit.
Out of nowhere I suddenly became aware that I was cold. I'm wondering how / why I'd be cold this far into a run. Then I realised that I wasn't sore anywhere - not even the left leg which gave trouble early in the run. Not only was there no background pain but I felt like there was no effort in running. Breathing was as if I was walking. The second big hill of that section arrives and I powered up it like it was downhill. Again no pain, no distress, absolutely nothing - but still cold and possibly getting colder. As bizarre as this sounds I felt so comfortable bar the cold that I couldn't shake the feeling that something was wrong so I stopped for a walk. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't in shock or something. After a couple of minutes walking I decided to keep going and finish off the run. I covered the last 2k as I had the previous 2k comfortable, pain and reasonably effort free at the same pace and ended up covering the 10 miles in 1 hour 45 minutes (10.5 minute miles) This is quite a fast pace for me LSR wise. Now 15 minutes after the run - all aches and pains were back with vengeance.
I'm wondering did the extra calories etc over the weekend provide for more energy to use up late in the run or was that just a coincidence. Was it adrenalin kicking in ? I honestly could have kept going after the 10 miles but as it was already a 4k step up from my previous longest run I felt it best to stop. So my question is - does any of that sound familiar ?0 -
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Pageant Messiah wrote: »I had a very strange experience today and I wonder if this is normal ...
Background to this which may be relevant is I run my LSR's on Mondays as it suits my work life. On Saturday night I went out to a cousins 40th party with the honest intention of only having 4 beers and taking it easy - one thing led to another and I overshot by about 4 beers - add in a family barbecue on Sunday and I came out of the weekend with zero excercise and a couple of belly fulls of food and drink. (Typical couch potato style ) I decided that I needed to work off those extra calories and opted to extend my LSR to 10 miles / 16 Kilometres today. My longest ever run prior to this was 12K last Monday. I was following the 10 mile race route for the race series in the phoenix park.
So off I went today at a slow enough pace fully intent on running 10 miles and wanting to save energy. Big issue though - left shin was hurting, not sharp pain just a dull ache and tightness. Over the course of the first 2k the calf and ankle joined in (probably compensating in some way for the pain in the shin by running slightly differently) Ended up having to walk a bit trying to see if short walk break would ease it out. It didn't seem to be and I was contemplating calling the entire run off early as I didn't want to cause long term injury for short term goal gain. Anyway things improved around the 5k mark and any aches and pains were normal and in line with the rest of the body so I kept going. By K7 I was back running the downhill of the main phoenix park road. I had come back past my car and had grabbed a bottle of water which was a great help and I felt strong enough to do the second half.
Around 12 / 13 K into the run I'm feeling like I normally would after a long run. I'm hot, I'm a bit thirsty, I'm tired and I'm concentrating on putting one foot in front of the other and focused on making it back to the car. I've just come up one of the steep hills on the chapelizood side of the park And here comes the strange bit.
Out of nowhere I suddenly became aware that I was cold. I'm wondering how / why I'd be cold this far into a run. Then I realised that I wasn't sore anywhere - not even the left leg which gave trouble early in the run. Not only was there no background pain but I felt like there was no effort in running. Breathing was as if I was walking. The second big hill of that section arrives and I powered up it like it was downhill. Again no pain, no distress, absolutely nothing - but still cold and possibly getting colder. As bizarre as this sounds I felt so comfortable bar the cold that I couldn't shake the feeling that something was wrong so I stopped for a walk. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't in shock or something. After a couple of minutes walking I decided to keep going and finish off the run. I covered the last 2k as I had the previous 2k comfortable, pain and reasonably effort free at the same pace and ended up covering the 10 miles in 1 hour 45 minutes (10.5 minute miles) This is quite a fast pace for me LSR wise. Now 15 minutes after the run - all aches and pains were back with vengeance.
I'm wondering did the extra calories etc over the weekend provide for more energy to use up late in the run or was that just a coincidence. Was it adrenalin kicking in ? I honestly could have kept going after the 10 miles but as it was already a 4k step up from my previous longest run I felt it best to stop. So my question is - does any of that sound familiar ?
The energy buzz is in my opinion because you took a few extra days off and had more fuel in the tank.
Im not sure about the feeling cold bit but the breathing part I can relate to, sometimes my breathing is so perfect when I think it shouldnt be that I start second guessing why Im breathing so well when ive been running so long. I then as you said give myself a fright and have to start convincing myself everything is fine.0 -
Pageant Messiah wrote: »I had a very strange experience today and I wonder if this is normal ...
Background to this which may be relevant is I run my LSR's on Mondays as it suits my work life. On Saturday night I went out to a cousins 40th party with the honest intention of only having 4 beers and taking it easy - one thing led to another and I overshot by about 4 beers - add in a family barbecue on Sunday and I came out of the weekend with zero excercise and a couple of belly fulls of food and drink. (Typical couch potato style ) I decided that I needed to work off those extra calories and opted to extend my LSR to 10 miles / 16 Kilometres today. My longest ever run prior to this was 12K last Monday. I was following the 10 mile race route for the race series in the phoenix park.
So off I went today at a slow enough pace fully intent on running 10 miles and wanting to save energy. Big issue though - left shin was hurting, not sharp pain just a dull ache and tightness. Over the course of the first 2k the calf and ankle joined in (probably compensating in some way for the pain in the shin by running slightly differently) Ended up having to walk a bit trying to see if short walk break would ease it out. It didn't seem to be and I was contemplating calling the entire run off early as I didn't want to cause long term injury for short term goal gain. Anyway things improved around the 5k mark and any aches and pains were normal and in line with the rest of the body so I kept going. By K7 I was back running the downhill of the main phoenix park road. I had come back past my car and had grabbed a bottle of water which was a great help and I felt strong enough to do the second half.
Around 12 / 13 K into the run I'm feeling like I normally would after a long run. I'm hot, I'm a bit thirsty, I'm tired and I'm concentrating on putting one foot in front of the other and focused on making it back to the car. I've just come up one of the steep hills on the chapelizood side of the park And here comes the strange bit.
Out of nowhere I suddenly became aware that I was cold. I'm wondering how / why I'd be cold this far into a run. Then I realised that I wasn't sore anywhere - not even the left leg which gave trouble early in the run. Not only was there no background pain but I felt like there was no effort in running. Breathing was as if I was walking. The second big hill of that section arrives and I powered up it like it was downhill. Again no pain, no distress, absolutely nothing - but still cold and possibly getting colder. As bizarre as this sounds I felt so comfortable bar the cold that I couldn't shake the feeling that something was wrong so I stopped for a walk. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't in shock or something. After a couple of minutes walking I decided to keep going and finish off the run. I covered the last 2k as I had the previous 2k comfortable, pain and reasonably effort free at the same pace and ended up covering the 10 miles in 1 hour 45 minutes (10.5 minute miles) This is quite a fast pace for me LSR wise. Now 15 minutes after the run - all aches and pains were back with vengeance.
I'm wondering did the extra calories etc over the weekend provide for more energy to use up late in the run or was that just a coincidence. Was it adrenalin kicking in ? I honestly could have kept going after the 10 miles but as it was already a 4k step up from my previous longest run I felt it best to stop. So my question is - does any of that sound familiar ?
At the DSD talk last week, Annette Keogh said she also gets cold on long runs. She warms up as usual over the first few miles, but after 10m or so, she said she just finds she always gets cold. Don't know if this is any reassurance to know that you're not the only one; her advice was to wear a hat! 0 -
Pageant Messiah wrote: »I had a very strange experience today and I wonder if this is normal ...
Background to this which may be relevant is I run my LSR's on Mondays as it suits my work life. On Saturday night I went out to a cousins 40th party with the honest intention of only having 4 beers and taking it easy - one thing led to another and I overshot by about 4 beers - add in a family barbecue on Sunday and I came out of the weekend with zero excercise and a couple of belly fulls of food and drink. (Typical couch potato style ) I decided that I needed to work off those extra calories and opted to extend my LSR to 10 miles / 16 Kilometres today. My longest ever run prior to this was 12K last Monday. I was following the 10 mile race route for the race series in the phoenix park.
So off I went today at a slow enough pace fully intent on running 10 miles and wanting to save energy. Big issue though - left shin was hurting, not sharp pain just a dull ache and tightness. Over the course of the first 2k the calf and ankle joined in (probably compensating in some way for the pain in the shin by running slightly differently) Ended up having to walk a bit trying to see if short walk break would ease it out. It didn't seem to be and I was contemplating calling the entire run off early as I didn't want to cause long term injury for short term goal gain. Anyway things improved around the 5k mark and any aches and pains were normal and in line with the rest of the body so I kept going. By K7 I was back running the downhill of the main phoenix park road. I had come back past my car and had grabbed a bottle of water which was a great help and I felt strong enough to do the second half.
Around 12 / 13 K into the run I'm feeling like I normally would after a long run. I'm hot, I'm a bit thirsty, I'm tired and I'm concentrating on putting one foot in front of the other and focused on making it back to the car. I've just come up one of the steep hills on the chapelizood side of the park And here comes the strange bit.
Out of nowhere I suddenly became aware that I was cold. I'm wondering how / why I'd be cold this far into a run. Then I realised that I wasn't sore anywhere - not even the left leg which gave trouble early in the run. Not only was there no background pain but I felt like there was no effort in running. Breathing was as if I was walking. The second big hill of that section arrives and I powered up it like it was downhill. Again no pain, no distress, absolutely nothing - but still cold and possibly getting colder. As bizarre as this sounds I felt so comfortable bar the cold that I couldn't shake the feeling that something was wrong so I stopped for a walk. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't in shock or something. After a couple of minutes walking I decided to keep going and finish off the run. I covered the last 2k as I had the previous 2k comfortable, pain and reasonably effort free at the same pace and ended up covering the 10 miles in 1 hour 45 minutes (10.5 minute miles) This is quite a fast pace for me LSR wise. Now 15 minutes after the run - all aches and pains were back with vengeance.
I'm wondering did the extra calories etc over the weekend provide for more energy to use up late in the run or was that just a coincidence. Was it adrenalin kicking in ? I honestly could have kept going after the 10 miles but as it was already a 4k step up from my previous longest run I felt it best to stop. So my question is - does any of that sound familiar ?
I went through a phase of my long run yesterday (11 miles) when I got very cold, even though it was really hot and sunny. I figured that it was just my body trying to cool down to deal with the heat. But it didn’t really concern me, I soon was sweating again! Oh, and I had a hat on too!
I think the extra days off are what gave you your burst of energy today, I always feel I could run the marathon right there and then if I’ve had two or three days off!0 -
Thanks for the replies guys.
The way work goes I'm at my busiest at weekends so I tend to run my LSR Monday, rest Tuesday and do 3 x shorter runs Wed, Thur, Fri. As such the couple of days off before the LSR are normal - the stack of beers and barbecue wouldn't be though
Am glad others have experienced the same cold spot. It was a strange experience but I suppose it's all part of the learning curve of a new runner. 0 -
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