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Dublin Marathon 2012 - Mentored Novices Thread
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Right. I'm still somewhat undecided about doing DCM 2012, as the training peaks when I'm planning to hand in my PhD, but if I don't sign up to the training now, that decision will be taken out of my hands later, regardless!
Hi Scriba,
Put it this way - you started running after I did and are running distances and paces I am still dreaming about
and I have entered the marathon. So the only issue for you here is the study / PhD. If neccessary use your runs as your break from the study. Even at their peak it's a couple of hours 3 times a week and one LSR. It's certainly doable.. 0 -
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Thanks young anne, rainbow kirby and pageant messiah et al. for your input. It's much appreciated!
rainbow kirby wrote: »Unpopular option here, but I would strongly suggest that if there is a thesis to be submitted between July and October, don't do DCM this year. Use running for sanity alright, that's really helpful, but pushing yourself to finish a thesis and train for your first marathon at the same time is too much really.
I'm tending towards this opinion. I have a hideous amount of work still to get through. I'm keeping it as a target, and if everything miraculously comes together sooner, we'll see how it goes. Realistically, it's not very likely. As it is, im going to have to fit most runs into the early morning bracket, which is unknown territory for me! So the plan is to follow a plan, and review the state of affairs each week. It'll certainly help with a few HMs. Worst case scenario, I'll have some decent mileage in my legs for 2013. Still, for now, it's a case of fooling my inner slacker into putting in a few shifts!
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Pageant Messiah wrote: »you started running after I did and are running distances and paces I am still dreaming about and I have entered the marathon.
You're making tremendous progress, PM, and your desire to do this is all over your training log (which is great!) Once you get used to the distance stuff, you wont know yourself! Ultimately, most of us here are in competition with ourselves. Every extra km or mile is an achievement, as is every second off a previous personal best. But when I think back to five years ago, and the physical state I was in, I feel achievement even in finding runners on my feet as I head out the door. It's why I love running.0 -
Most weekends a group meet int he Phoenix park and the date and times are posted here. You could go along and join them!
Anyone that wants to join me in the Park on Saturday morning is more than welcome. Check out the link Anne put up for the meet-ups which is where they are usually organised. I've a 9 mile LSR on the plan this week with a pace of 10:30-ish but can go slower (but not much faster according to our mentor). For anyone who has not joined us on these group runs before, please do not feel intimidated. Group runs really do make these LSR's easier. 0 -
Most weekends a group meet int he Phoenix park and the date and times are posted here. You could go along and join them!
Anyone that wants to join me in the Park on Saturday morning is more than welcome. Check out the link Anne put up for the meet-ups which is where they are usually organised. I've a 9 mile LSR on the plan this week with a pace of 10:30-ish but can go slower (but not much faster according to our mentor). For anyone who has not joined us on these group runs before, please do not feel intimidated. Group runs really do make these LSR's easier.
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Hi all, haven’t been on this thread for the last couple of weeks as I was on holidays (bit of a challenge getting motivated to go running while on hols, but I only missed one run, so didn’t do too badly). I was one of the people who was struggling with the concept of the LSR, I was running all my runs at my 10k pace of about 7 min 50 sec per mile. I didn’t realise how foolish this was until it was pointed out to me here. Since then, I have slowed down my runs to about 9 min 30 per mile and I intend to go even slower in my long weekend runs, as my marathon target is 4hrs, or a 9 min mile.
I can’t tell you how much more pleasant this has made my running! I always dreaded going out in the evening, but now I am actually looking forward to my runs. I was able to do 7.25 miles while on holidays - my longest run to date - without any difficulty (and it was first thing in the morning on an empty stomach too!). This has totally changed how I look at my training. Where before the marathon seemed like an unachievable target as I was wrecked after all my runs, now I actually am looking forward to building up my mileage at a slow, steady pace.
Just one question though, should I be doing one run a week at marathon pace? Or just carry on doing all my runs at 60 – 90 seconds more than my marathon pace.
Oh I'm finding it the complete opposite, I feel like I'm plodding around. Constantly checking the watch to make sure I'm in the easy zone :rolleyes:. Still I am determined to stick with it as I'm sure I'll see the benefits. Glad you're enjoying it and now looking forward to the plan.
I can't wait for the rest of you to start the marathon plan as I'm waiting to hear how ye are all getting on. Week 2 almost over for me now with LSR left. 0 -
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Currently Im running 3 times a week, Wednesday, Thursday and Sunday.
Wednesday 3-4 miles, Thursday 4 miles and last Sunday 9 miles, took me 1hr 46 though! Mondays and Saturdays I go to the gym just to do a 40min weights programme. I could increase my running to 4 times per week but I do enjoy the 2 rest days! Im doing the flora womens mini in Dublin in a few weeks so I will see how my times go. Im nervous!! Is Dublin a possibility at this stage or should I be further along miles wise?
Week 1 of the training plan being followed by the group here has 3 x 3 mile runs and 1 6 mile run in it. You're more than capable of this at your current level and the plan itself doesn't start until the end of June. As things stand you're in great shape to start the program. 0 -
All the runs should be done at an easy comfortable pace, where you'd be able to have a conversation with a running partner...many people have been known/seen to be talking to themselves:o while out running and this is usually to test pace....
The Tues run should be esay as you are recovering from the LSR and the Thur run should also be easy as you don't want to be tired out before the LSR.....
The bases for the runs are Tue -slow, Wed-easy conversational, Thur-slow and then LSR - slower...
Sometimes this is very hard when the distances are shortish but as the program goes from week to week all the runs increase in mileage, and usually the 3 midweek runs equal the LSR....so you'll be glad of the slow paces!
Thanks for the response
If I could go with a follow up though: If all 4 training runs per week are being ran at slower than goal pace for the marathon - what actually pushes the pace up on the day ? Are we relying on adrenaline kicking in / the crowds etc or is it that over the course of time the "slow" comfortable pace increases naturally as fitness levels rise so that it bridges the gap to the marathon goal pace ? Sorry to be a pain asking all these questions ! - It's not that I don't trust the plan - results from previous plans / threads are clear to see - Im just interested in how the plan itself works. 0 -
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Pageant Messiah wrote: »Thanks for the response
If I could go with a follow up though: If all 4 training runs per week are being ran at slower than goal pace for the marathon - what actually pushes the pace up on the day ? Are we relying on adrenaline kicking in / the crowds etc or is it that over the course of time the "slow" comfortable pace increases naturally as fitness levels rise so that it bridges the gap to the marathon goal pace ? Sorry to be a pain asking all these questions ! - It's not that I don't trust the plan - results from previous plans / threads are clear to see - Im just interested in how the plan itself works.
I Think your problem is that you have just started running and you are unsure of what is a slow/conversational pace because you are still 'reaching' a little in each run you do. You also are likely to be unsure of what your marathon pace will be because you are improving rapidly in your runs, so what seems fast now will likley seem very slow in a few months. All this talk of running your slow runs is probably going a little over your head:most people would be starting the novice plan with a decent base of running behind them and a fair Idea of what times they can achieve in the marathon.
So the best thing is to keep running and keep it slow and conversational for now (and try to keep your splits consistent
). Down the line, say in July or auagust you can pick a goal Marathon time based on some of your races (say the race series 10 miler) and work from there. 0 -
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So the best thing is to keep running and keep it slow and conversational for now (and try to keep your splits consistent). Down the line, say in July or auagust you can pick a goal Marathon time based on some of your races (say the race series 10 miler) and work from there.
+1 on this your Target marathon pace should only be determined closer to the race when you have an idea of what kinda shape you are in. Coming from a novice standpoint you may see huge fitness benefits as you get stronger and fitter.
With regarding what makes you able to carry out the race at a higher intensity than training here are a few reasons as to why
-fresh from taper. Training has a cumulative affect as the schedule goes on week after week. You will find yourself never fully recovered and training on heavy legs and as such come race day you are going to have more in the tank
- Race atmosphere. the swarms of people around you, the race nerves and adrenaline and the crowds of people cheering you on the streets. These are things which will give you that extra few % its easier to run faster paces with people around you rather than on your own for many reasons.0 -
I Think your problem is that you have just started running and you are unsure of what is a slow/conversational pace because you are still 'reaching' a little in each run you do. You also are likely to be unsure of what your marathon pace will be because you are improving rapidly in your runs, so what seems fast now will likley seem very slow in a few months. All this talk of running your slow runs is probably going a little over your head:most people would be starting the novice plan with a decent base of running behind them and a fair Idea of what times they can achieve in the marathon.
So the best thing is to keep running and keep it slow and conversational for now (and try to keep your splits consistent). Down the line, say in July or auagust you can pick a goal Marathon time based on some of your races (say the race series 10 miler) and work from there.
Thanks very much for that. Makes perfect sense.
BTW I've been the model of consistency for the past 2 days. You'd be very proud of me ! 0 -
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im am at the moment up to 15 miles at 8.30 min/mile pace ...
Anyone help me ? Im wondering when i shud start training for the Mara?
Im aiming to do the 3/4 Mara in Athlone and then Dublin .
Im taking a few weeks off to clear up a few niggles (achilles, groin !:/ ) and i hope to start "proper" training when these are ok.
Should i start doing the full 18-20 week training schedule? as i said im up to 15 miles at the moment.
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chinguetti wrote: »As most of you have mentioned plans in your posts, one thing to be careful of is not to get hooked on having to do a 8 mile run on the day the plan tells you. If you miss a run, its not the end of the world.
Life will get in the way on some of your runs, work will be a pain or you have a sore leg and are unsure whether to run or you have somewhere to go in an emergency. Miss the run and have no guilt, your body will need a day off at times and will thank you.
Also someone mentioned on here (i think) a few pages back about weights training. I've done a few marathons and coming back from injury since April and my physio has given me a course of weights/stretches to build up the leg again to prevent it happening again. So weight training can be useful if you're trying to strengthen areas like your core.
Also, look at your toenails - once the training get really going you will lose a few nails or they will go black. This is normal and a badge of honour. I'm still waiting for one to grow back since Dublin 2010 so i can do my sandal modelling work again:D
chinguetti makes a good point regarding plans. They can be a very useful tool and way of motivating knowing you have to do X miles on Y day etc but youhave to use your common sense here. You need to be smart but also honest in how you approach training. Often the hardest thing to learn i when to listen to your body and take rest days when needed due to niggles/ life etc.
One bit of advice I would give to people if you do miss a day dont try to make it up by doubling it up on another day. If you miss a session you can move the day but dont put it in with another days training. This can lead to injury/illness and can have an adverse effect on your training long term
When you are taking an unscheduled day off ask yourself honestly the following questions:
Do I really need to take this day off or am I just using X (injury, night out etc.) as an excuse
Which would you benefit more from a day off or training through (if its a niggle ask yourself will running on it make it worse answering the question that day off in long run may lead to less training missed)
Have the courage and faith in your ability, to miss a day but at the same time be honest with yourself in terms of not making excuses.
Regarding toenails thankfully have never lost one as a result of running just in case that is scarying any women who love wearing their open toed shoes off running a marathon 0 -
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