Chelsea Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2012/2013

GavRedKing · 01-08-2012 11:03am

what a day wrote: »

He would be in compition with Enrique at LB

Any way i think we will get Azpilicueta ourselves, OM have to sell and im sure Torres Mata and Oriol will make Ceasar feel welcome

I havent seen Ceasar play TBH but from what i hear he has been our main target and not VDW or Maicon.

I dont think VDW would be much of an improvement on Bosingwa anyway so I'd rather we chased Ceasar and got him in.

amiable · 01-08-2012 11:09am

GavRedKing wrote: »

I dont think VDW would be much of an improvement on Bosingwa anyway so I'd rather we chased Ceasar and got him in.

If Chelsea hadn't pissed Spurs off so much Kyle Walker would be ideal for Chelsea IMO

what a day · 01-08-2012 11:21am

I dont see the hype in VDW either.

After all our whinnig for youth players to come through our ranks we have a sudden surge of players at the moment which would be better suited on loan IMO.

I think Bertrand should stay with us this season and be back up to Cole which is more than likely what will happen. Other than Bertrand we have PVA, McEachran, Lukaku, Piazon, all looking to get into the first team but i think we should try get them all loaned out to a club that will play them.

Move on Ferriera,Kakuta, Yossi and Malouda. Id also listen to offers for Turnbull, Meireles and Essien.

GavRedKing · 01-08-2012 11:21am

amiable wrote: »

If Chelsea hadn't pissed Spurs off so much Kyle Walker would be ideal for Chelsea IMO

Imagine if we tried to steal their prized RB after the UCL place. :pac:

They dont want to sell us Modric so I'd say the same would apply for Walker and it could take a huge bid to even tempt them, £20 + Million.

Schism · 01-08-2012 11:28am

GavRedKing wrote: »

Imagine if we tried to steal their prized RB after the UCL place. :pac:

They dont want to sell us Modric so I'd say the same would apply for Walker and it could take a huge bid to even tempt them, £20 + Million.

With the valuations Levy puts on his players you'd want to be making an initial bid of £20m+ :pac:

GavRedKing · 01-08-2012 11:45am

Schism wrote: »

With the valuations Levy puts on his players you'd want to be making an initial bid of £20m+ :pac:

True, but you can see why, Spurs are trying to build and to do that you cant sell your best players especially to your rivals.

what a day · 01-08-2012 11:52am

Have to say Wlaker does look class and himself and Bertrand could be Englands future wing backs.

I still think we should bid for him, if any thing just to upset Spurs

amiable · 01-08-2012 11:56am

what a day wrote: »

Have to say Wlaker does look class and himself and Bertrand could be Englands future wing backs.

I still think we should bid for him, if any thing just to upset Spurs

I think Walker is a bit better than Bertrand

GavRedKing · 01-08-2012 11:57am

amiable wrote: »

I think Walker is a bit better than Bertrand

Thank God Walker doesnt play LB so

amiable · 01-08-2012 11:59am

GavRedKing wrote: »

Thank God Walker doesnt play LB so

You know what I meant. As full backs go it's easy enough to compare Right backs and left backs

Schism · 01-08-2012 12:01pm

GavRedKing wrote: »

True, but you can see why, Spurs are trying to build and to do that you cant sell your best players especially to your rivals.

Fair point. He's playing hardball with Madrid now though, they don't like being told no. I have a feeling he's going to end up with an unhappy midfielder if he doesn't throw them a bone!

Fair play to him though.

what a day · 01-08-2012 12:28pm

If i was Levy id sell him and fight for the most you can get. No point in having the player that no longer wants to be at the club. Move him on and use the money to bolster the squad. Buy a proper striker and a CB.

Has any one ever seen our Youth player Jhon Pirez play?
Just read his Wiki page there and fair play to him he came to us for a trial and got a scholarship but we had to send him out on loan because of work permit ussues.

GavRedKing · 01-08-2012 1:12pm

amiable wrote: »

You know what I meant. As full backs go it's easy enough to compare Right backs and left backs

True, I was just been pedantic for the sake of it.

Schism wrote: »

Fair point. He's playing hardball with Madrid now though, they don't like being told no. I have a feeling he's going to end up with an unhappy midfielder if he doesn't throw them a bone!

Fair play to him though.

what a day wrote: »

If i was Levy id sell him and fight for the most you can get. No point in having the player that no longer wants to be at the club. Move him on and use the money to bolster the squad. Buy a proper striker and a CB.

Has any one ever seen our Youth player Jhon Pirez play?
Just read his Wiki page there and fair play to him he came to us for a trial and got a scholarship but we had to send him out on loan because of work permit ussues.

Last year we offered over £40 Million, reportedly and Levy didnt want to sell then, now another year has gone and Madrid dont want to pay more then £30 Million and they wont panic.

Modric will probably throw another stroppy and eventually get his move but its fairly obvious Modric wants to leave and further his career but Levy seems miltant about demanding exactly what Spurs rate him at, which I think exceeds what he is worth, but it all goes back to " A players worth what a club is willing to pay "

Schism · 01-08-2012 1:19pm

I suppose the fact that Levy has the constitution to turn down a reported £40m figure shows he's not going to budge on this one. That could have also been leveraged by him not wanting to sell to a direct rival.

It does bode well for him getting his price though.

GavRedKing · 01-08-2012 1:38pm

Well AVB hates us and Spurs been a rival there was little to no chance of us getting Modric this year, throw in winning the UCL and then you have to understand why they wouldnt sell us one of their assets.

Sgt Pepper 64 · 01-08-2012 1:52pm

Schism wrote: »

I suppose the fact that Levy has the constitution to turn down a reported £40m figure shows he's not going to budge on this one. That could have also been leveraged by him not wanting to sell to a direct rival.

It does bode well for him getting his price though.

Dont need him and if Spurs dont off load him, they will start another season with an important disgruntled player

LOL at Wenger moaning about the rich clubs again when they have the 5th highest wage bill!

Schism · 01-08-2012 1:54pm

Sgt Pepper 64 wrote: »

Dont need him and if Spurs dont off load him, they will start another season with an important disgruntled player

LOL at Wenger moaning about the rich clubs again when they have the 5th highest wage bill!

Say whatever you want about Wenger, that man knows how to balance his cheque book!

Sgt Pepper 64 · 01-08-2012 2:10pm

Schism wrote: »

Say whatever you want about Wenger, that man knows how to balance his cheque book!

whilst not winning anything!

Schism · 01-08-2012 2:15pm

There has to be a downside to being financially efficient at Arsenal I suppose. That said he's spending this year.

Sgt Pepper 64 · 01-08-2012 2:56pm

Hulk edges closer!
http://www.cfcnet.co.uk/2012/08/01/hulk-move-edges-closer-i-want-to-win-trophies-if-i-join-chelsea/

It would seem that this afternoon Brazilian, Hulk has took a few steps forward in confirming his move to European Champions
He has been somewhat diplomatic when asked about Chelsea before, but his latest comments seemingly confirming that a move to Chelsea is now imminent.
Hulk said in an exclusive interview with Four Four Two, on being asked about his link with Chelsea “I am very happy. They are the European and the best club in Europe at the moment. For me, it is a huge achievement that they want me to play for them. I want to continue to win trophies,” the forward said. “That is what I want to do if I join Chelsea”
Earlier we reported that Chelsea were still involved with negotiations for the Porto attacker, but there was complications with the third party ownership over Hulk. In light of this interview, it would seem that negotiations are moving through fast now.

GavRedKing · 01-08-2012 2:58pm

Bloody Hulk.

Where the hell are we going to play 5 attacking players in 3 positions. :eek:

Unless we drop Oscar into CDM which would be stupid.

MUSEIST · 01-08-2012 3:02pm

GavRedKing wrote: »

Bloody Hulk.

Where the hell are we going to play 5 attacking players in 3 positions. :eek:

Unless we drop Oscar into CDM which would be stupid.

Hulk makes sense for a number of reasons

1. we badly need quality on the right
2. he can also play up front giving torres and danny competition and it means we won't need to sign another striker.

Gav what makes you think we have to play them all, we have 7 competitions this season with 3 games most weeks. We will need more than 3 attacking players.

what a day · 01-08-2012 3:08pm

GavRedKing wrote: »

Bloody Hulk.

Where the hell are we going to play 5 attacking players in 3 positions. :eek:

Unless we drop Oscar into CDM which would be stupid.

Torres

Sturridge

Hazard

Mata

Hulk
Marin

Oscar

Ramires

Lampard

Mikel

Oriol

Essien

Cole

Terry

Luiz----Azilicueta
Bertrand----Cahill

Ivan

Hutch

Cech

Hilario

Sorted

GavRedKing · 01-08-2012 3:11pm

MUSEIST wrote: »

Hulk makes sense for a number of reasons

1. we badly need quality on the right
2. he can also play up front giving torres and danny competition and it means we won't need to sign another striker.

Gav what makes you think we have to play them all, we have 7 competitions this season with 3 games most weeks. We will need more than 3 attacking players.

I'm all for strength in depth, all for it but I cant see him playing wide right, unless we want to sit through another season of Sturridge-esque watching him come in on his left and cannon shots at the goal, now I think Hulk is just a bit better then Danny but not for the money thats been mentioned, esepcially when we already have Danny.

Depends on how much we spend on him really but I think theres better value to be had.

GavRedKing · 01-08-2012 3:15pm

what a day wrote: »

Torres
Sturridge
Hazard
Mata
Hulk
Marin
Oscar
Ramires
Lampard
Mikel
Oriol
Essien
Cole
Terry
Luiz----Azilicueta
Bertrand----Cahill
Ivan
Hutch
Cech
Hilario

Sorted

If we sign Hulk then him and Oscar wont start for us for a few games I reckon, especially as it looks like Brazil will be going all the way and they'll need some time off.

Above team lacks Josh Mac.

what a day · 01-08-2012 3:26pm

GavRedKing wrote: »

If we sign Hulk then him and Oscar wont start for us for a few games I reckon, especially as it looks like Brazil will be going all the way and they'll need some time off.

Above team lacks Josh Mac.

I totally agree Gav, id love Josh to get a few games with us this season. I think he is ready to take his chances with us. Id imagine the club will send him on loan though. If not i cant see why we cant just play our second squad in the cup games including Josh.

I dont mean have a seperat team i just want to see 5 or 6 bench players play in the Carling cup and FA cup games

For example:

Sturridge

Marin

Oscar

Ramires

Essien

McEachran----

Bertrand

Terry

Cahill

Ivan

Cech

GavRedKing · 01-08-2012 3:31pm

what a day wrote: »

I totally agree Gav, id love Josh to get a few games with us this season. I think he is ready to take his chances with us. Id imagine the club will send him on loan though. If not i cant see why we cant just play our second squad in the cup games including Josh.

I dont mean have a seperat team i just want to see 5 or 6 bench players play in the Carling cup and FA cup games

For example:
Sturridge
Marin
OscarPiazon
Ramires
EssienRomeu
McEachran----
Bertrand
TerryChaloblah
Cahill
Hutch
CechBlackman

I'd go with the aboev for the Carling Cup early rounds, unless we're drawn away to Man City or something. :P

what a day · 01-08-2012 3:56pm

Id like to see Piazon go on loan TBH. Only if he goes to get games that is!
Chalobha im a huge fan off but he has to spend a bit more time with us to develope a little more. But you get the idea any way Gav, obviously we can strengthen the team when needs be but give some younger players that dont get loan moves and our 2nd choice players given the cup runs.

Kess73 · 01-08-2012 4:04pm

what a day wrote: »

Torres
Sturridge
Hazard
Mata
Hulk
Marin
Oscar
Ramires
Lampard
Mikel
Oriol
Essien
Cole
Terry
Luiz----Azilicueta
Bertrand----Cahill
Ivan
Hutch
Cech
Hilario

Sorted

I look at the first XI picks in that, and I reckon Chelsea are a quality left footed CB (Instead of Terry) and a more rounded midfielder (instead of Lampard) away from being a monster of a team.

Chiellini or Ogbonna style CB and a Moutinho style midfielder (or someone like Vidal if you wanted a player with steel who can also be very effective in an advanced role)

GavRedKing · 01-08-2012 4:04pm

As MUSEIT said, we are going to have a lot of games this year, could well be high 50's maybe 60 games so its easy to suggest we could rotate between 21-23 players and they could play about 30 games each, some will naturally play more then others but you get what I'm trying to say.

SIGN MOOOOOOOAR PLAYERZ !!11!!

GavRedKing · 01-08-2012 4:09pm

Kess73 wrote: »

I look at the first XI picks in that, and I reckon Chelsea are a quality left footed CB (Instead of Terry) and a more rounded midfielder (instead of Lampard) away from being a monster of a team.

Chiellini or Ogbonna style CB and a Moutinho style midfielder (or someone like Vidal if you wanted a player with steel who can also be very effective in an advanced role)

Oh you must be lost, Liverpool thread is that way ---->

Since you mentioned left footed CB's how about Agger. :pac:

I'd loev someone like Sahin for CM but that aint happening as long as Modric stays in North London.

what a day · 01-08-2012 4:10pm

Kess73 wrote: »

I look at the first XI picks in that, and I reckon Chelsea are a quality left footed CB (Instead of Terry) and a more rounded midfielder (instead of Lampard) away from being a monster of a team.

Chiellini or Ogbonna style CB and a Moutinho style midfielder (or someone like Vidal if you wanted a player with steel who can also be very effective in an advanced role)

Kess i know what you mean, i have suggest it before id love us to sign Fellaini or try out Luiz in Midfield but that could leave us stretched at CB should we pick up injuries. I think Lamps does a solid job in the deep role TBH but we do lack a Player like Makelele or a fit Essien to partner Lamps.

This is why id suggest Luiz play there as he is better at defending then Mikel and Lamps but he is able to bring the ball forward better than Mikel and his passing range is brilliant.

Schism · 01-08-2012 4:25pm

what a day wrote: »

Kess i know what you mean, i have suggest it before id love us to sign Fellaini or try out Luiz in Midfield but that could leave us stretched at CB should we pick up injuries. I think Lamps does a solid job in the deep role TBH but we do lack a Player like Makelele or a fit Essien to partner Lamps.

This is why id suggest Luiz play there as he is better at defending then Mikel and Lamps but he is able to bring the ball forward better than Mikel and his passing range is brilliant.

I don't think Luiz has the right temperament or dare I say the timing for a DM role. You'd find him picking up cards fairly quickly I'd imagine.

No doubting his talent but he can be a liability sometimes.

amiable · 01-08-2012 4:28pm

GavRedKing wrote: »

Oh you must be lost, Liverpool thread is that way ---->

Since you mentioned left footed CB's how about Agger. :pac:

I'd loev someone like Sahin for CM but that aint happening as long as Modric stays in North London.

£50 million and we'll consider it.
You could see if Lescott is available

GavRedKing · 01-08-2012 4:33pm

amiable wrote: »

£50 million and we'll consider it.
You could see if Lescott is available

I seen that in the City thread this morning, I wouldnt be touching Lescott with a £10 million pound barge pole let alone the price that City paid, hes simply not that good and Kompany next to him makes him look better then he actually is IMO.

£50 Million you say? How about Torres in a straight swap? :pac:

what a day · 01-08-2012 4:34pm

Schism wrote: »

I don't think Luiz has the right temperament or dare I say the timing for a DM role. You'd find him picking up cards fairly quickly I'd imagine.

No doubting his talent but he can be a liability sometimes.

I think he would pick up less cards because he would not go to ground as much. He is very slick at disposessing other players while on his feet.

I Like Mikel but he aint near the standard he should be at by now. I know he played well last season and seems to be showing improvment but he is no Maka or Essien in his prime. Im not at all suggesting we get rid of him im just saying id like us to up grade our defensive midfielder. I dont Essien will be the player he was and we could do with cashing in on him while he is still worth a few quid. Move Meirieles on while your at it and reinvest the funds from both players to but Fellaini

Kess73 · 01-08-2012 4:35pm

GavRedKing wrote: »

Oh you must be lost, Liverpool thread is that way ---->

Since you mentioned left footed CB's how about Agger. :pac:

I'd loev someone like Sahin for CM but that aint happening as long as Modric stays in North London.

Nah I think you are the one who may be a little.............confused. :pac:

And keep your eyes off of Agger. :mad::mad:

amiable · 01-08-2012 4:36pm

GavRedKing wrote: »

I seen that in the City thread this morning, I wouldnt be touching Lescott with a £10 million pound barge pole let alone the price that City paid, hes simply not that good and Kompany next to him makes him look better then he actually is IMO.

£50 Million you say? How about Torres in a straight swap? :pac:

I knew you had read it haha

No we're interested in swapping Carroll for Torres. Straight swap

Kess73 · 01-08-2012 4:37pm

amiable wrote: »

£50 million and we'll consider it.
You could see if Lescott is available

£50m my arse.

Myself and Gav in a steel cage, each with a rusty iron bar as a weapon. Winner gets to take any player they like from the other's club.

That way we defo end up with Hazard.

amiable · 01-08-2012 4:38pm

Kess73 wrote: »

£50m my arse.

Myself and Gav in a steel cage, each with a rusty iron bar as a weapon. Winner gets to take any player they like from the other's club.

That way we defo end up with Hazard.

And the loser gets Joe Cole

Kess73 · 01-08-2012 4:39pm

amiable wrote: »

And the loser gets Joe Cole

With that stipulation in place, there is no way in hell that I am gonna lose.

Caveman1 · 01-08-2012 4:48pm

Ive said before about Luiz playing RB or DM only because he was very fond of making costly mistakes, but in fairness to the lad he has settled a lot since arriving. I think this will be a big season for Luiz to cement his place as our main CB, we have so much creativity in the middle of the park now, it cant hurt to have a bit more style coming from the back.

As much as I'd like to see some of our youth team coming through the reality is the likes of Josh, Kakuta Hutch & PVA will all be sold/loaned out because they just aren't good enough.

I'm kind of surprised about the Hulk comments I thought we had turned our attention to Moses, I'm not complaining though :pac:

GavRedKing · 01-08-2012 4:57pm

amiable wrote: »

And the loser gets Joe Cole

F**k off we got rid of him we dont want him back. That incentive would make me walk through hell and back alone. :pac:

TerryTibbs! · 01-08-2012 5:46pm

Kess73 wrote: »

With that stipulation in place, there is no way in hell that I am gonna lose.

You already have by the looks of things.

GavRedKing · 02-08-2012 9:00am

First bid rejected for Ceasar asccording to the Mail.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2182451/Chelsea-bid-Cesar-Azpilicueta-rejected.html#ixzz22NDttqoy

Chelsea have seen their first bid for Marseille full-back Cesar Azpilicueta rejected.

The Blues offered just £5.4million for the Spain international, almost £3m below the French club's asking price. They are expected to bid again by the end of week.

Last week, the troubled former Ligue 1 champions admitted they would have to sell before they can buy as they look to arrest an alarming slump since they won the title in 2010.

GavRedKing · 02-08-2012 9:03am

Lukaku wants game time with another EPL club only.

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/1129075/chelsea-striker-romelu-lukaku:-'i-must-play'?cc=5739

It is believed the club want to loan out the teenager, while the possible arrival of Victor Moses from Wigan would squeeze Lukaku yet further. Fulham are reportedly keen on the Belgian striker and he has told the club he wants to be a first-team regular.
"What I learned last season is positive," Lukaku said in the Sun. "Training with great players improves you. Now I must play. In a few weeks we'll see what happens."

GavRedKing · 02-08-2012 11:47am

This is from a few weeks back but makes for interesting reading.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/jul/23/chelsea-pitch-owners-stadium

The scandal over "dodgy" shares sold in CPO – the supporters-led group which has owned the freehold of Stamford Bridge since the 1990s – was compounded when they appeared to help swing a crucial vote that might have limited the power of shareholders to do just that.

The sale of shares in CPO had been suspended since Chelsea failed to convince the company to sell them back the land beneath their home at an extraordinary general meeting in October, something they need to do before they can move to a new stadium.

Plenty more in the article, looks like any Stadoum move will be blocked as long as the CPO have a say.

Crann na Beatha · 02-08-2012 11:52am

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GavRedKing · 02-08-2012 11:58am

The council are warming to the idea but still it looks like we'll be restricted by the local area and how close Stamford Bridge is to some of the buildings in the area.

I've always been a fan of knocking the hotel and developing that side of the site but I dont know if thats possible at all.

I think our hands are tied at the Stamford Bridge site TBH and in saying that I'd love to see bigger stands at Stamford Bridge and the capacity going over 55K we really have to be up and around that to compete long term.

Sgt Pepper 64 · 02-08-2012 12:23pm

RDM confirms our new exciting style!

"I think moving between the lines and rotation can be an attacking threat for us. We had only Juan Mata playing that role last year, although Raul Meireles played there a few times as well.

It just gives us more options for the team. It makes us more difficult to be marked and more unpredictable .

However, we also need width in the game, so it's not just always coming between the lines, it's about giving width to the team as well.

I think what's most important now is to integrate the new players into the side. Obviously, bringing in players with different abilities and qualities might change the face of our team a little bit as well, but we have to always find the right balance between attacking and defending."

http://www.chelseafc.com/page/LatestNews/0,,10268~2866439,00.html

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