DEBATE: Would it be a good thing if the Gardaí could know who did every crime?

dylonator

Do you think it would be a good thing for society if, every time a crime of any description (i.e anything against the law), the gardaí could know straight away who did it


I am going to make up a hypothetical situation. Let's say the Gardaí could have some magical way of getting alerts on their computer everytime a citizen broke the law. For exmaple if you were in possesion of an illegal firearm the Gardaí would know this instantly and come for you...


or if you committed a murder the gardaí would also know so noone could ever get away with anything.


do you think that this would make society a boring place to be?


To ensure this debate does not fall to pieces with people arguing over people getting caught for petty crimes like illegal music downloading or marijuana possesion, I am going to state that the Gardaí could only know if you committed the following crimes


MURDER
RAPE
BURGLARY
HEROIN DEALING
(AND ALL OTHER CRIMES THAT OF THAT SORT, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN)

Also so this does not become a privacy discussion, in this situation, the Gardaí were not spying on you as such, you were not under surveillance and the Gardaí could only possibly be to told by this magic computer what you were doing if it was illegal


So let's debate, would you want the gardaí to have such a power?

cloptrop

Where would I get my heroin if all the dealers were in jail?

The King of Moo

Are you basically asking if it's worth considering not instantly arresting people for murders, rapes, heroin dealing etc because they make life more interesting?

El Weirdo

Do you remember the shite they went through trying to get them to use the PULSE system when it was introduced?

cloptrop

In all fairness the crims would just find a way to fool the machine like they always do . Wear a tinfoil hat when commiting crimes or something .
Jim Corr has such machine thats how he knows about all the conspiracy theories going on.

dylonator

cloptrop wrote: »

In all fairness the crims would just find a way to fool the machine like they always do . Wear a tinfoil hat when commiting crimes or something .
Jim Corr has such machine thats how he knows about all the conspiracy theories going on.

the idea behind this argument is that it would be IMPOSSIBLE to get away with crimes, so your point does not come into things, although tin foil isn't a bad idea

Chuck Stone

dylonator wrote: »

the idea behind this argument is that it would be IMPOSSIBLE to get away with crimes

The problem is that things like going for a piss up against a wall is a crime and bankrupting a country is considered a mistake.

So no.

LH Pathe

I'm in a public park, sat on a bench. it's late..* I'm lonely. Pondering stuff.. There's nobody here but me and this rollie. My only friend.. until the end. I don't even know it's in my mouth, so dependant am I on my respirator.

Now.. before you vote a potential 'yes'. do you really want me prosecuted for this?



*hypothetically speaking

Super-Rush

So you want the cops to have magical powers?

Lay off the drugs man.

opinion guy

Didn't you see the documentary the made about this....Demolition Man I think they called it

strobe

El Weirdo wrote: »

Do you remember the shite they went through trying to get them to use the PULSE system when it was introduced?

Uriel.

why not have a magic system where the crime was "discovered" before it was committed... like minority report?

I am all for magic systems.. without thinking about the consequences...

micropig

El Weirdo wrote: »

Do you remember the shite they went through trying to get them to use the PULSE system when it was introduced?

Even with all the computer systems in the world for crime detection, the Gardai wouldn't be able to use them:D:D

El Weirdo

Yeah, computing doesn't seem to be the Garda Síochaná's forté, to be fair. It wasn't that long ago that their website had a photo of the Commissioner on the homepage that was a .bmp file a fair few MB in size, iirc. Took an age to load.

WoollyRedHat

El Weirdo wrote: »

Yeah, computing doesn't seem to be the Garda Síochaná's forté, to be fair. It wasn't that long ago that their website had a photo of the Commissioner on the homepage that was a .bmp file a fair few MB in size, iirc. Took an age to load.

Maybe the commissioner was sensitive about his image.

El Weirdo

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

Maybe the commissioner was sensitive about his image.

What, you think they showed him the .jpg and he was all like, "No fucking way are you putting that on the website! I can see the artifacts!"?

WoollyRedHat

El Weirdo wrote: »

What, you think they showed him the .jpg and he was all like, "No fucking way are you putting that on the website! I can see the artifacts!"?

Yes El Weirdo, I think that is precisely what happened.

El Weirdo

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

Yes El Weirdo, I think that is precisely what happened.

Me too.

Capt'n Midnight

dylonator wrote: »

I am going to make up a hypothetical situation. Let's say the Gardaí could have some magic
...
So let's debate, would you want the gardaí to have such a power?

you lost me at magic

so hypothetical that it can't be seriously considered


Breaks thermodynamics and that is not a good thing if you plan on spending any amount of time in this universe.

Zebra3

DEBATE: Would it be a good thing if the Gardaí could know who did every crime?

Ned O'Keefe says No.

kippy

There would be no crime if this were possible....

kowloon

Life would be awful boring if you weren't paranoid that some day they'll find out about the terrible, terrible things I've done.

Sunnyisland

In the majority of cases the Gardai do know who has committed major crimes, But knowing who done it and proving they have done it is quite different.

xsiborg

your argument is fundamentally flawed already OP, in that the little list you have there would soon be expanded little by little to include quite the long list of criminal activity, but since creative book-keeping is not strictly illegal, the gardai would have no way to detect this, and that's just one example.

and as much as you would like it, there is no such thing as 'magic' when it comes to computers, so you would be dependent on a team of engineers and programmers to keep the software up to date, not to mention the incredible processing power that would be required, or the electricity required. what it really would come down to is 'cost', and such a system would be prohibitively expensive for any government, let alone the irish one, we couldnt even get it right with the e-voting machines ffs! the closest thing i've heard of is the echelon system, and even that raises the question of peoples right to privacy, i guarantee you that you'd have privacy rights organisations up in arms over a system like this, no matter how you might be able to prove the system would reduce crime.

and then can you imagine if the system was hacked? or you even had a rogue programmer who was bribed to program the system to 'turn a blind eye' as such to certain organisations activities, such as the mafia or colombian drug cartels!

it'd be open to so much risk OP that even if they could cost the project, it'd be wholly unworkable on any practical level.

plus the garda unions would never allow it as it'd mean a cut in garda numbers and they'd fight it tooth and nail to make sure that no sort of efficiency that might put their overtime at risk, ever sees the light of day!

mawk

SENSE CRIME!

Pappa Charlie

micropig wrote: »

Even with all the computer systems in the world for crime detection, the Gardai wouldn't be able to use them:D:D

I love generalisation, it shows great intelligence!

Mr. CooL ICE

Minority Report was sh1te

Thrill

kippy wrote: »

There would be no crime if this were possible....

There would still be crime as the alert would be given after a crime was committed, not before.

So there would still be crime and criminals, and suspended sentences for those who only have a couple of hundred previous convictions.

There would be the satisfaction that the scum who committed an offense would be caught, quickly followed by frustration when they are released back into society because there is no room in our prisons.



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