New York Jets Thread

corner back 2

Delighted with result last night and with performance on all units. I know the lions were terrible but it was good to see the Jets capitalise on the opportunities presented to them. I was particularly pleased with the performance of the line backer corp which might have been perceived as a weakness pregame. The O-line was excellent but I would be concerned about the depth here. Reading the stats it appears that the starting o line played 100% of offensive snaps including garbage time. There's a reason it's called garbage time and there's no reason to be risking players at that stage of the game. Darnold was excellent and his level attitude should standem him in good stead for the inevitable ups and downs to come.

hots

corner back 2 wrote: »

Delighted with result last night and with performance on all units. I know the lions were terrible but it was good to see the Jets capitalise on the opportunities presented to them. I was particularly pleased with the performance of the line backer corp which might have been perceived as a weakness pregame. The O-line was excellent but I would be concerned about the depth here. Reading the stats it appears that the starting o line played 100% of offensive snaps including garbage time. There's a reason it's called garbage time and there's no reason to be risking players at that stage of the game. Darnold was excellent and his level attitude should standem him in good stead for the inevitable ups and downs to come.

I was enjoying watching Luvu off the edge actually, he seemed to have a bit more burst than Mauldin so a nice easy upgrade there for like-for-like bubble players.


I was thinking the same for the Oline too, especially with so so little depth (as we saw in preseason). Only thing I can think is that he wants them to get better as a unit and they need the game reps to do that? Also really can't risk putting a turnstile out there and risking Darnold getting battered.

phatkev

Qvale is the backup at both RT and LT, it would be an absolute disaster if he had to fill in at either of those positions. He's just not good enough!

hots

phatkev wrote: »

Qvale is the backup at both RT and LT, it would be an absolute disaster if he had to fill in at either of those positions. He's just not good enough!

Agreed, any idea who's the next batter up at tackle after him? Oline is easily the position group I understand least.

phatkev

hots wrote: »

Agreed, any idea who's the next batter up at tackle after him? Oline is easily the position group I understand least.

Not sure, it would have been Ijalana but he's on IR. I assume it would be one of the replacement guards:eek: They have a tackle on the practice squad that could be promoted as well

phatkev

O-line struggling massively today

phatkev

Tough loss! I was impressed with Darnold, he made some really impressive throws and done well inside and outside of the pocket given the protection or lack of he was getting from the line. He's first INT was completely on him, the safety baited him and he completely fell for it, but thats the sort of thing you would hope he will getting better at reading with more playing time. The second pick was completely on Pryor, he was completely useless today!

The defence was decent today and got a decent amount of pressure on Tannehill. There was a couple of stupid penalties on 3rd down that extended plays (one of them ended with a TD), and as much as I love Jamaal Adams his indiscipline on that final drive meant Darnold wouldn't get one final shot to get something from the game.

Todd Bowles time management is still bullsh1t, also how many times did Tannehill get big yardage on the exact same qb run play. Really wasnt a fan of Bates offensive calling in the first half, he completely ignored the run game for whatever reason and I felt it really hurt the offence, improved in the second half but the damage was done

corner back 2

Some growing pains for Darnold today but glad he is getting them on the field rather than on the bench. It looks like the real O line showed up today with poor protection and the Jets unable to run the ball especially in the first half.

phatkev

corner back 2 wrote: »

Some growing pains for Darnold today but glad he is getting them on the field rather than on the bench. It looks like the real O line showed up today with poor protection and the Jets unable to run the ball especially in the first half.

They never tired to run it in the first half, they only rushed it something like 8 times in the first half, hard to get a rhythm going with stats like that

phatkev

But yeah 42 yards really isnt going to cut it, especially with a rookie qb

corner back 2

The alarming number of penalties that were occurring in the pre season reared their head again. Most concerning are the penalties in vital areas like stopping the D getting off the field on 3rd down. Skrine again was responsible for 2 of these. It has to be viewed as a reflection on the coaching staff that this keeps happening.

hots

phatkev wrote: »

Tough loss! I was impressed with Darnold, he made some really impressive throws and done well inside and outside of the pocket given the protection or lack of he was getting from the line. He's first INT was completely on him, the safety baited him and he completely fell for it, but thats the sort of thing you would hope he will getting better at reading with more playing time. The second pick was completely on Pryor, he was completely useless today!

The defence was decent today and got a decent amount of pressure on Tannehill. There was a couple of stupid penalties on 3rd down that extended plays (one of them ended with a TD), and as much as I love Jamaal Adams his indiscipline on that final drive meant Darnold wouldn't get one final shot to get something from the game.

Todd Bowles time management is still bullsh1t, also how many times did Tannehill get big yardage on the exact same qb run play. Really wasnt a fan of Bates offensive calling in the first half, he completely ignored the run game for whatever reason and I felt it really hurt the offence, improved in the second half but the damage was done

Agree entirely with this, lots to improve on but bright from darnold.

hots

corner back 2 wrote: »

The alarming number of penalties that were occurring in the pre season reared their head again. Most concerning are the penalties in vital areas like stopping the D getting off the field on 3rd down. Skrine again was responsible for 2 of these. It has to be viewed as a reflection on the coaching staff that this keeps happening.

definitely a reflection on skrine anyway, so stupid, as bad as adams bust on the last.

phatkev

I just had a look at the schedule and the next 6 weeks dont look pretty, especially if the o-line plays like it did yesterday. Browns, Jags, Broncos, Vikings and Bears all to come in that stretch!!

hots

phatkev wrote: »

I just had a look at the schedule and the next 6 weeks dont look pretty, especially if the o-line plays like it did yesterday. Browns, Jags, Broncos, Vikings and Bears all to come in that stretch!!

Browns and Broncos are winnable... the other 3 could be grim. I'd love to see us keeping defences a bit more honest by throwing out more 3/4WR sets instead of stacking TEs, at least empty the box a bit and give darnold and the RBs some more space to scramble. Mack on either tackle is going to be rough.

Igotadose

Marcus Maye to miss another game. I think he was missed a lot vs. the Fish, esp. on that late play to Gore. Adams can't do everything and teams'll continue to pick on Buster "Penalty Factory" Skrine (who is playing like last year) until Maye's around to help out more.

https://nypost.com/2018/09/18/marcus-mayes-injury-situation-isnt-getting-better/

phatkev

hots wrote: »

Browns and Broncos are winnable... the other 3 could be grim. I'd love to see us keeping defences a bit more honest by throwing out more 3/4WR sets instead of stacking TEs, at least empty the box a bit and give darnold and the RBs some more space to scramble. Mack on either tackle is going to be rough.

Yeah sorry I should have said it was the defensive fronts/ability to pressure the QB of each of those teams that worried me the most.

I dont think they'll win Thursday night! Todd Bowles with a road game on a short week screams loss to me, even if it is against the Browns!

L.S.F

Anyone staying up to watch tonight? Not as confidant as before after last Sunday about the win.

phatkev

L.S.F wrote: »

Anyone staying up to watch tonight? Not as confidant as before after last Sunday about the win.

I wont be able to stay up for it tonight, I'll hopefully catch it before I head to work tomorrow. I'm not confident at all, I dont think Bowles is capable winning a road game on a short game!!

midfield dynamo

L.S.F wrote: »

Anyone staying up to watch tonight? Not as confidant as before after last Sunday about the win.

Going to bed now and will get back up for it. It'll be interesting to see what Jets will show up tonight!

Hoping Myles Garrett has a bad game tonight. He could have a field day against that O-line.

Benildus

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap3000000964627/Jets-vs-Browns-highlights-Week-3

Threw the game away after being up by 14

hots

Well that was ****ing abysmal

corner back 2

Have the whole game recorded and the 1 hour highlights as well. Think I will stick with the 1 hour version after reading reports this morning. Bowles seems to be very much on the hot seat now with penalties a major problem again. Anyway at least the Jets can take credit for unleashing Baker Mayfield on the league by knocking out Taylor - maybe it's Brady all over again!!!

phatkev

It started out so well, but even I could see they weren't going to sustain it offensively with Darnold running for his life on every single snap, good to see them stick with the running game though. The defence looked exhausted by the end of the first half, which would be a bit of concern this early in the season. I dont think they made a single play in the second half.
But ultimately this loss is on Bowles again imo. He made zero adjustments when Baker came into the game, it looked like it was the first time the D had ever seen him. The usuals were there last night as well, penalties, time management and not have a clue what to do when a team starts to make a comeback! The sooner he gets the sack the better in my opinion, if you cant sort that sh1te out in 3 years you're never going to!

hots

Penalties weren't even the biggest issue tonight, play calling was attrocious, line was very poor and the receiving corps did sweet f all to help. Browns are in a very good place now at individual levels, but better individuals than us imo.

That second half was just full of poor decisions, it was made for just keeping the yards ticking over and with dinks and dives all the way, instead we tried to run the ball up the middle over and over again when it wasn't working.

Robbie needs to buck up big time too, 2 huge turnovers he's cost us now and he's not anywhere near involved enough (partially down to play calling).

phatkev

It's not necessarily the amount of penalties they're giving away, it's the type of penalties they're committing. The personal fouls last night were ridiculous, and every week there's at least one stupid taunting penalty. While these aren't entirely on Bowles, he should be sending a message and disciplining these guys, which he's clearly not because they keep doing it!

L.S.F

The defence seemed to **** their pants when Mayfield came on. As mentioned above, was it just tiredness or no plan B? It was like watching a WWF Royal Rumble, everyone going along nicely then someone comes in, everyone stops and he cleans house.
Didn't mind all the 3 and outs at the start, when we found a rhythm it was working then nosedived toward the end of the first half.
Not a Bowles fan from the start, will have to show some balls and pick up after our bad start. I know it was 3 games in 10 days but that was a winnable game the way things were going.

hots

It's especially concerning bearing in mind the schedule coming up too, cuold easily be only one or two wins after 8 games and then the pressure is really on.

LuckyLloyd

Not enough talent all over the field to pick up a poor rookie quarterback. Game plan was good, I don't think anyone would have anticipated Mayfield being plugged in this early in the season so I'm okay with the notion that they wouldn't have prepared for him specifically.

Darnold the last two weeks:

40 / 72 passing for 1 TD, 3 INTs and 5 sacks. He's awful, as you would expect. Frustrating because with a serviceable QB we'd likely be 3 - 0 right now.

phatkev

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Not enough talent all over the field to pick up a poor rookie quarterback. Game plan was good, I don't think anyone would have anticipated Mayfield being plugged in this early in the season so I'm okay with the notion that they wouldn't have prepared for him specifically.

Darnold the last two weeks:

40 / 72 passing for 1 TD, 3 INTs and 5 sacks. He's awful, as you would expect. Frustrating because with a serviceable QB we'd likely be 3 - 0 right now.

The game plan was any thing but good!! It seemed the only QB call Bates had was a WR screen, running that type of play every series is not going to win a game regardless of you your playing or who you have at QB! The difference in the two teams in the second half was one of them let their rookie QB play and the other didnt, cant put that on Darnold!

Also if you dont have some sort of game plan for the 1st overall pick regardless of if he's starting or not you dont deserve to be a head coach in the NFL

hots

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Not enough talent all over the field to pick up a poor rookie quarterback. Game plan was good, I don't think anyone would have anticipated Mayfield being plugged in this early in the season so I'm okay with the notion that they wouldn't have prepared for him specifically.

Darnold the last two weeks:

40 / 72 passing for 1 TD, 3 INTs and 5 sacks. He's awful, as you would expect. Frustrating because with a serviceable QB we'd likely be 3 - 0 right now.

Hardly. And quoting sacks to bash him is pretty pointless.

phatkev

hots wrote: »

Hardly. And quoting sacks to bash him is pretty pointless.

Blaming Darnold for the Miami loss is also laughable

hots

phatkev wrote: »

The game plan was any thing but good!! It seemed the only QB call Bates had was a WR screen, running that type of play every series is not going to win a game regardless of you your playing or who you have at QB! The difference in the two teams in the second half was one of them let their rookie QB play and the other didnt, cant put that on Darnold!

Also if you dont have some sort of game plan for the 1st overall pick regardless of if he's starting or not you dont deserve to be a head coach in the NFL

The WR screen is very strange, it clearly wasn't working from early on and it's a break away from what seemed to be the gameplan all preseason and first couple of games. The running game was too one dimensional and for some reason we abandoned the short sharp quick passes which were supposed to protect Darnold.

hots

phatkev wrote: »

Blaming Darnold for the Miami loss is also laughable

He was much better against Miami than last night anyway imo. I forgot the worst play of the night for me, combo of Sam and the call I think tbf, the 8 yard loss to Herndon early on, scramble right play the TE screen left. The scramble wasn't great and he ends up having to play a very panicked pass out left, but the worst thing is having Herndon as the receiving man in a screen?! He's not exactly the most mobile guy, if you had him blocking that's fair or if you start him at the line of scrimmage he might have a chance to fall forward for a few but starting a big ****er 5 yards behind gives him zero chance.

corner back 2

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Not enough talent all over the field to pick up a poor rookie quarterback. Game plan was good, I don't think anyone would have anticipated Mayfield being plugged in this early in the season so I'm okay with the notion that they wouldn't have prepared for him specifically.

Darnold the last two weeks:

40 / 72 passing for 1 TD, 3 INTs and 5 sacks. He's awful, as you would expect. Frustrating because with a serviceable QB we'd likely be 3 - 0 right now.

Get your point to a degree but not too sure how many quarterbacks would thrive behind that O line and with little or no consistent run game.

LuckyLloyd

hots wrote: »

Hardly. And quoting sacks to bash him is pretty pointless.

He has potential, lots of it. But right now, his output is bottom tier. He’s below replacement level in terms of performance the last two games. That’s okay, once you decide to put him in and start you’re punting any designs of competing for a playoff spot or winning season while he figures it out.

Awful now, good in the future (all going to plan).

LuckyLloyd

corner back 2 wrote: »

Get your point to a degree but not too sure how many quarterbacks would thrive behind that O line and with little or no consistent run game.

We ran for over 100 yards and two touchdowns last night. Darnold has no ability to go deep at present. Hence the game plan to protect him as much as possible and simplify what we’re asking of him.

McCown would give more from the position and - given how close the last two weeks were - probably enough to win.

Just need to understand the implications of certain decisions and adjust expectations accordingly.

L.S.F

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

We ran for over 100 yards and two touchdowns last night. Darnold has no ability to go deep at present. Hence the game plan to protect him as much as possible and simplify what we’re asking of him.

McCown would give more from the position and - given how close the last two weeks were - probably enough to win.

Just need to understand the implications of certain decisions and adjust expectations accordingly.

Which makes Robby Anderson useless at present. Bar his long TD in game 1 he has done nothing, a big drop in each his last two games.

I wanted Bridgewater to start but always knew he was going to be traded, agree with the McCowen point. Will be a tough learning curve for Darnold after the highs of the Detroit win.

corner back 2

Saying we would be 3-0 with McCown is a bit of a stretch. Many more problems besides Darnold. The supporting cast has been poor the last few games. And then there is the play calling and coaching.

phatkev

if a QB has no time in the pocket there is no long ball option. Regardless of who was playing QB last night or against Miami there would have been no long balls because the time to let the play develop just wasnt there!

LuckyLloyd

He had plenty of time against Detroit and gave Anderson a single target. It’s not just a time thing. Our line was average last year and McCown aired it out plenty. As noted above, Darnold neuters one of our most powerful offensive weapons.

Again, this is all okay for the long term view. But coming in complaining about the coach / the D / the running game / the line and everything else when the QB was objectively poison is silly. If you have a poor QB in the NFL you need an exceptional team to carry him. We obviously don’t have that.

phatkev

Its not the first season I've given out about the coaching/play calling though, its been consistently bad over the last 3 years! As I said earlier I was happy enough with the run game, but it definitely wasn't up to scratch in the second half (77 yards in the 1st half versus 30 in the 2nd) and thats because Bates continually ran the same plays to which the Browns adjusted to ( something Bowles seems incapable of doing). Yeah Darnold was poor but to put the entirety of the blame on him for last night is just silly.

Jolly Red Giant

phatkev wrote: »

Its not the first season I've given out about the coaching/play calling though, its been consistently bad over the last 3 years! As I said earlier I was happy enough with the run game, but it definitely wasn't up to scratch in the second half (77 yards in the 1st half versus 30 in the 2nd) and thats because Bates continually ran the same plays to which the Browns adjusted to ( something Bowles seems incapable of doing). Yeah Darnold was poor but to put the entirety of the blame on him for last night is just silly.

The blame lies with the approach of the Jets and the play-calling once they got to 14-0 - run/run/3rd&long - it put Darnold in an impossible situation against what is a very good pass rush that the Browns have put together.

phatkev

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

The blame lies with the approach of the Jets and the play-calling once they got to 14-0 - run/run/3rd&long - it put Darnold in an impossible situation against what is a very good pass rush that the Browns have put together.

exactly, which is on the coaches

corner back 2

After watching the weekend games it is obvious that the season has still to settle down and it's way to early to make judgements especially on a rookie QB. I have seen some of the film study of the Browns game and some of the analysis is ridiculous. One particular play where Darnold "missed" a wide open receiver was when he moving to his right under pressure from the defence and he was supposed to throw back across his body to a WR moving left. It would have been a risky throw for Brady let alone Darnold. Can't agree he is a poor QB based on Brown's game when he threw for 300 yards against Miami in his other so called bad game.

LuckyLloyd

He might be a HOF QB eventually, but right now he's performing "poorly". That's okay, it's expected. You would assume his stats or output to be quite poor for the first year or so and once he's demonstrating improvement from a film perspective week to week and learning as he goes that's all we need to be seeing. Can't have it all ways. I don't expect a QB of his age in his first season to be good. I hope he gets through the season and learns as he goes therefore justifying the decision to put him in there. If it's so bad that he gets pulled we then have a disaster on our hands, so that's the potential risk. But no fear of that thus far.

The film Mahomes has put together his first three starts is extraordinary, leaving aside his historic statistical output. So it is possible to do well from the off (Mahomes sitting for a year behind Alex Smith probably didn't hurt but Reid knows what he's doing with QBs) and there's no point going overly defensive of mistakes or poor performances. There's nothing to get emotional about here. Darnold will either be the man or not, but he will have to improve substantially at some point in the future to be what we need.

For now, it's about being patient, expecting to lose and hopefully enjoying him making a couple of nice plays a game.

phatkev

Todd Bowles vaunted defence making Bortles look like a hall of famer! Cant wait to see all the adjustments he makes in the second half

corner back 2

Great idea not to cover crossing routes or the middle of the field! Lucky to be only 13 down

phatkev

corner back 2 wrote: »

Great idea not to cover crossing routes or the middle of the field! Lucky to be only 13 down

10 days they've had to prepare for this game and yet it looks like today is the first time they've seen the Jags! Absolute joke

phatkev

I'll give Bowles props for going for it on 4th down though, I like that!