New York Jets Thread

SHOVELLER

notobtuse wrote: »

3 & 3 is not a bad record for the Jets at this point.  Should be 4 and 2... but, Oh Well!  Really disgusted again with our CBS affiliate (CBS has the TV rights for the AFC).  They only show one game on Sundays, and it’s always the Steelers.  I live less than 1.5 hours travel time to the Meadowlands, and I can only see the Jets play evening games on TV.  Been to numerous games over the years, but I prefer to watch NFL games on TV as I tend to have too much tailgating under my belt by the time the game starts.  And last time I went I got injured playing a game of 'touch' football with fans from the other team in the Meadowlands parking lot when I was tackled after throwing a pass.  Never a good idea to show up for a Jets game three hours before kickoff with a bottle of scotch and coolers full of Guinness.

Are there any Jets bars in the nearest big city to you?

Enjoyable win but feel too much emphasis on the 24 points by Myers. From a non American point of view these kicks should never be missed. I mean they are set up for the kicker! I was flabbergasted when the Packers kicker missed five the other week.

Anyway on to the Vikings and feel there will be extra sauce to that with Cousins as QB. Although treated unfairly here I feel he did disrespect the Jets in his recent documentary.

Seeing Joe Namath at half time for the 50th anniversary of that Super Bowl win brought back memories of being at the game a decade ago in the old stadium when Favre threw two touchdowns. Legend!

Igotadose

SHOVELLER wrote: »

Seeing Joe Namath at half time for the 50th anniversary of that Super Bowl win brought back memories of being at the game a decade ago in the old stadium when Favre threw two touchdowns. Legend!

I saw him play vs. OJ and the Bills in 1972 @ Shea. Took me a bit to realize what you meant by 'the old stadium'.

Haven't seen them at home since the move to MetLife. Last time was vs. Seahawks when I lived in Seattle, got to see Sanchez run the wildcat (ineffectively) to Tebow...

As for the results, the defense has to pick it up. Way too soft in the red zone. Darnold is showing a steady hand so far, which is good, but 5 games don't make a career.

franglan

What's Spencer Long's contract. Should be in Mike Mac's office Monday morning.

corner back 2

Ugly game for Sam missing a lot of receivers but some fairly poor throws. Injuries really mounting now. Defence held up well for a while but on the field for far too long.

LuckyLloyd

Beaten in all phases of the game, no complaints. Darnold was missing two weapons in the passing game that he had leaned on in previous games and that should be considered when accounting for his extremely poor performance. Why he didn't throw to Kearse at all is beyond me however.

I commend the Defense for a subtlety heroic performance. They held the Vikings to 2 conversions on 15 third downs. A functioning offense would have taken some advantage but, alas.

Next week is going to be real ugly and the staff will need to retain the courage of their convictions and leave Darnold out there no matter what happens. He could have a historically poor game but he absolutely must be played through this. The die has been cast.

notobtuse

SHOVELLER wrote: »

notobtuse wrote: »

3 & 3 is not a bad record for the Jets at this point.  Should be 4 and 2... but, Oh Well!  Really disgusted again with our CBS affiliate (CBS has the TV rights for the AFC).  They only show one game on Sundays, and it’s always the Steelers.  I live less than 1.5 hours travel time to the Meadowlands, and I can only see the Jets play evening games on TV.  Been to numerous games over the years, but I prefer to watch NFL games on TV as I tend to have too much tailgating under my belt by the time the game starts.  And last time I went I got injured playing a game of 'touch' football with fans from the other team in the Meadowlands parking lot when I was tackled after throwing a pass.  Never a good idea to show up for a Jets game three hours before kickoff with a bottle of scotch and coolers full of Guinness.

Are there any Jets bars in the nearest big city to you?

Enjoyable win but feel too much emphasis on the 24 points by Myers. From a non American point of view these kicks should never be missed. I mean they are set up for the kicker! I was flabbergasted when the Packers kicker missed five the other week.

Anyway on to the Vikings and feel there will be extra sauce to that with Cousins as QB. Although treated unfairly here I feel he did disrespect the Jets in his recent documentary.

Seeing Joe Namath at half time for the 50th anniversary of that Super Bowl win brought back memories of being at the game a decade ago in the old stadium when Favre threw two touchdowns. Legend!

There are a few sports bars that show various NFL games in the area.  But I'm not one to go to bars to watch sports.  Would rather watch from the comfort of home.

Horrid game Sunday... Obviously they're still the same old Jets.

phatkev

Powell placed on IR, the injuries are really starting to pile up!

EDIT: Sh1t apparently its a possible career ending injury.

hots

phatkev wrote: »

Powell placed on IR, the injuries are really starting to pile up!

EDIT: Sh1t apparently its a possible career ending injury.

Jesus that would be a really sad way to go, heard it was season over job and maybe career with us done but didn't realise it was that serious!


From a Jets perspective we're now just adding another curveball for Sam's development now really. I hope we leave as is though for this year, some of the trades buzzing around are mental.

Igotadose

hots wrote: »

Jesus that would be a really sad way to go, heard it was season over job and maybe career with us done but didn't realise it was that serious!


From a Jets perspective we're now just adding another curveball for Sam's development now really. I hope we leave as is though for this year, some of the trades buzzing around are mental.

Jets saying not career-threatening, Bowles had it wrong. Skrine and May might play vs. Bears, but not Enumwa and maybe not Robbie Johnson.

Maybe more plays to the tight ends. Going to be a very difficult matchup, but if you want to be a good team, you have to beat good teams.

https://nypost.com/2018/10/25/bilal-powell-injury-will-end-season-but-not-career/

phatkev

Igotadose wrote: »

Jets saying not career-threatening, Bowles had it wrong. Skrine and May might play vs. Bears, but not Enumwa and maybe not Robbie Johnson.

Maybe more plays to the tight ends. Going to be a very difficult matchup, but if you want to be a good team, you have to beat good teams.

https://nypost.com/2018/10/25/bilal-powell-injury-will-end-season-but-not-career/

Well thats good news anyway! Feel bad for the guy as this was a contract year, could very well be the end of his time as a Jet.

corner back 2

Another poor showing. Very short handed on offense with no running game to take the pressure off Darnold. Defense held up well until getting tired late in the 4th. The usual large number of penalties is something that Bowles seems to be unable to deal with. I would be very surprised if he is the head coach of the Jets to begin next season.

phatkev

corner back 2 wrote: »

Another poor showing. Very short handed on offense with no running game to take the pressure off Darnold. Defense held up well until getting tired late in the 4th. The usual large number of penalties is something that Bowles seems to be unable to deal with. I would be very surprised if he is the head coach of the Jets to begin next season.

He shouldn't be the coach next week never mind next season and Macc should be gone with him!
They're 2-10 on the road since the start of last season and thats just not good enough at this level.

I thought the D were decent in the first half, but completely went to sh1te in the second half.
I havent seen a worse set of receivers on a Jets team since the 2012 season

corner back 2

Hue Jackson gone today so expect lots of murmurings about Bowles now. According to some he is now the worst coach in the NFL with Jackson gone and turnonthejets already has a list of 6 possible replacements.

LuckyLloyd

phatkev wrote: »

He shouldn't be the coach next week never mind next season and Macc should be gone with him!
They're 2-10 on the road since the start of last season and thats just not good enough at this level.

I thought the D were decent in the first half, but completely went to sh1te in the second half.
I havent seen a worse set of receivers on a Jets team since the 2012 season

How is that Bowles fault?

To argue Bowles as the 'worst coach in the league' you need to stand over the contention that the record is out of sync with the level of talent on the roster. Is that the case? If it is, it isn't by much!

Changing the coach is window dressing, really. In a number of areas the roster isn't really at the necessary level of talent, and they're currently starting one of the very worst QBs in the league. He'll probably go alright, but he isn't the problem.

corner back 2

Blaming the rookie QB is not going to solve anything. Darnold has all the tools and possibilities to improve whereas Bowles has proven at this stage he is unable to improve. His clock management is still amongst the worst in the league. He continues to play conservative late in games when behind. He is unable to get a handle on the penalty issues which have dogged the Jets for 3 seasons now.

LuckyLloyd

corner back 2 wrote: »

Blaming the rookie QB is not going to solve anything. Darnold has all the tools and possibilities to improve whereas Bowles has proven at this stage he is unable to improve. His clock management is still amongst the worst in the league. He continues to play conservative late in games when behind. He is unable to get a handle on the penalty issues which have dogged the Jets for 3 seasons now.

I'm not blaming a rookie QB, but the fact is when our rookie QB is currently playing as he is we're going to lose stacks of games. You can say he has all the tools and projects positively into the future while accepting that his current level of play is terrible. And once you accept that, you have to accept that losing each week is the expectation. Any wins we pick up with Darnold under centre this year are a nice bonus, such is the level of the roster around him.

In the context we're in, you will find it very easy to find things to pick at about the coaching staff. Such is the nature of teams getting beat all over the field. The key point is that the roster being bereft of talent is the real issue that needs to be fixed.

corner back 2

I would agree with a lot of what you say and I have no problem with the win loss columns but it is very easy to pick out the coaching mistakes because the same ones are occuring for the last 3 years. Bowles has show no sign of improvement unfortunately.

LuckyLloyd

I'd ask an awful lot more questions about the 2016 season. I'd have fired him then, and with cause. But no - one is going to argue with a straight face that this year's roster is anywhere near as good as the 2015 roster. You'd struggle to find a positional grouping that's better. Ferguson, Mangold, Revis, Richardson, Pryor, Decker, Marshall, Ivory, Harris, Cromartie. Every team loses talented players, that's part and parcel of the business. But the Jets lost a number of actual NFL level talents in a two year span and have not adequately replaced most of them. Until that changes any coaching staff we bring in is set up to fail. We could have Sean McVay coaching this bunch and I struggle to think they'd have more than five wins.

So all I'm saying is that I'm angry at the front office. They are responsible for setting up rosters to fail for this franchise. Mike Maccagnan has done a terrible job, but a succession of guys in the Woody era have done just as bad. I partially blame Bowles and his staff and I ASSIGN very little blame to the players themselves. Particularly our overmatched defense who are hanging in there as a group as best they can. Or the bunch of lads we have running routes and trying to get open and contribute. It's just so silly to put together rosters so run down YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR.

:mad:

corner back 2

You should be used to the frustration being a Jets fan!! Seriously though I think talent evaluation throughout the organisation is poor and has been for a long time. Despite the odd good trade and FA pickup Mac seems to have a hard time evaluating talent especially at college level. He seems to draft a lot of older players out of college who still are projects and the Jets don't seem to have any ability to coach them up. The roster had improved a bit at the start of this season but was very thin and injuries have shown this up very quickly. Also constantly shopping in the bargain bin for OL and RB is coming back to haunt them especially when trying to develop a QB.

phatkev

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

How is that Bowles fault?

To argue Bowles as the 'worst coach in the league' you need to stand over the contention that the record is out of sync with the level of talent on the roster. Is that the case? If it is, it isn't by much!

Changing the coach is window dressing, really. In a number of areas the roster isn't really at the necessary level of talent, and they're currently starting one of the very worst QBs in the league. He'll probably go alright, but he isn't the problem.

Where did I say it was Bowles fault? I said in the same post that Macc should be gone with him.

Bowles is not a good head coach and I dont think he ever will be. He made mistakes his first year and people gave him the benefit of the doubt because it was his first season but he's still making the exact same mistakes 3 years later and thats just not good enough.
The consistent ill discipline is on the coach
The constant failure to prepare for games is on the coach, the Bears game being a prime example of that.
The constant time management issues are on the coach.
Not having the balls to at least try and win a game is on the coach.
Having players on your team that dont know the basic rules of football is on the coach.
Bowles post game interview Sunday told me all I need to know about him as a coach.

Like Ive already said Macc should be gone as well, he's had plenty of chances to build up this team and has continually failed! I'd have no confidence in him spending the 100 odd million they have in cap next season.

Igotadose

cha-cha football: 1, 2, 3, Kick! 1, 2, 3, Kick!

phatkev

Spencer Long needs to be cut in the morning! Whoever is keeping him in the game needs to go as well!

corner back 2

Holy sh1t that was beyond bad.

phatkev

This fcuking guy! yeah everything was fine apart from the fact your rookie QB was getting destroying on every single down!

https://twitter.com/ByKimberleyA/status/1059191857241096194

Igotadose

phatkev wrote: »

This fcuking guy! yeah everything was fine apart from the fact your rookie QB was getting destroying on every single down!

Surely there's *someone* on the roster that can do a shotgun snap. The ball was regularly at Darnold's ankles ffs.

Back-to-back 15 yard penalties on the Fish on one drive and nothing to show for it. I shut the game off then. (It helped that the nflstreams were dying at that point.)

Also seems like Darnold had happy feet which is a bad sign, but the O-line is turning out to be as bad as predicted.

So hard to watch. They're boring. I don't watch that many games and I can predict the playcalling, 2d down, run, 2d down, run. 1 2 3 kick.

LuckyLloyd

Great game from the D, hung in there for four quarters and held Miami to 6 points. A superb effort. And then their QB threw the game away to Miami...

That may have been the last stand from a lot of players. No point playing hard behind when Darnold is under centre this year. Some players will quit / think about next season, right or wrong.

Igotadose

Yeah, the team's looking as bad as it has in the last 5 or 6 years right now. Darnold's shown occasional flashes is all. I can see finishing like 4-12 and drafting for the O line this year. Darnold had both his #1 and #2 target WR's playing, and couldn't get into the end zone once.

Dreadful team.

As for the defense, well, they're getting a lot of practice. Plenty of missed plays on them, too, and really it's small comfort to be happy about the defense when they're on the field all the damn time. It's an o.k. defense, not a great one, that looks o.k. against terrible teams and lost against good ones. The celebrating when they make a play is tedious, they're not a shutdown defense at all, and a better team will shred them. The Patriot's game is going to be ugly, I can see the Patriots going for the jugular early and just pinning their ears back on defense blitzing Darnold silly.

Bowles should be gone before the end of the season. Reports are the locker room's coming apart, that's on the coach. Players are quoted saying they're pissed off, especially the ones who've only known losing since joining the team.

LuckyLloyd

Bowles is gone, right or wrong. Irrelevant discussing him anymore.

That D - given the context they have to deal with - is doing great. They should be celebrating every little win as they are way exceeding reasonable expectations picking up a horrrendous offense as best they can.

Everything is all in on Darnold now. He’s currently bottom of the league. He’ll need to get a lot better over the coming off season and beyond. He was horrendous yesterday. Kearse looks like he can’t be dealing with him.

corner back 2

Don't know how you can blame Darnold for Kearses performance. Darnold was poor but Kearse was inexcusable. Ridiculous to suggest that the players will give up because of the QB. Read Andersons comments after the game yesterday and it will give you a fair idea of who the players blame. How any coaching staff could leave Long in the game until the 4th quarter is unbelievable. While the rookie is having a bad time he is not been given very favourable conditions to succeed.

LuckyLloyd

corner back 2 wrote: »

Don't know how you can blame Darnold for Kearses performance. Darnold was poor but Kearse was inexcusable. Ridiculous to suggest that the players will give up because of the QB. Read Andersons comments after the game yesterday and it will give you a fair idea of who the players blame. How any coaching staff could leave Long in the game until the 4th quarter is unbelievable. While the rookie is having a bad time he is not been given very favourable conditions to succeed.

Look, Bowles is gone. I accept that. But I'm just starting to focus in on what's important going forward: Darnold. It's ugly. Rookie QBs don't get good situations to start out (it's becoming clearer that he shouldn't have been played this year with every week that passes) so I understand we have to focus on qualities and positive indicators. But he looked flat out uncomfortable and inaccurate yesterday. Some of the passes to Kearse in particular were atrocious.

As bad as the O line might have been he has some talent in the receiving core and the D kept giving him viable opportunities. Ye can criticize the play calling but at the end of the day he threw some awful balls yesterday. Another bad week next week and they'll have to think about pulling him. The worst possible outcome.

corner back 2

Still nothing to be gained from benching him. Some obvious and simple adjustments can be made to improve the situation. 1 play a center who can snap the ball. 2 play an RB who can pass block. 3 try calling pass plays to your best tight end eg Herndon. 4 don't keep calling screens to your slowest players. 5 try making in game adjustments if something not working. 6 stop going with empty sets when QB is constantly being pressured.

phatkev

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Look, Bowles is gone. I accept that. But I'm just starting to focus in on what's important going forward: Darnold. It's ugly. Rookie QBs don't get good situations to start out (it's becoming clearer that he shouldn't have been played this year with every week that passes) so I understand we have to focus on qualities and positive indicators. But he looked flat out uncomfortable and inaccurate yesterday. Some of the passes to Kearse in particular were atrocious.

As bad as the O line might have been he has some talent in the receiving core and the D kept giving him viable opportunities. Ye can criticize the play calling but at the end of the day he threw some awful balls yesterday. Another bad week next week and they'll have to think about pulling him. The worst possible outcome.

Of course he was uncomfortable, QB is all about getting into a rhythm and when you've a center thats constantly snapping balls at your ankles or over your head its going to be hard to set any sort of rhythm. When a rookie QB (or any QB for that matter) is forced to focus on where the snap is going to go instead of their pre snap reads your going to have problems!

Kearse gave up and that says more about him than Darnold, it was a pathetic showing from the so called veteran yesterday. I cant begin to think how anybody could defend him!

I said at the start of the season I didn’t expect much this season, somewhere in the region of 4/6 wins. The one thing I did expect was for the coaching staff to develop Darnold, right now its clear their not capable of that so they can gtfo!

hots

Terrible game and the straw for Bowles & co for me. I can't see the blame being laid at Darnold's feet though. He had a poor game and should have had another pick too probably, but he spent every play playing catcher to mental snaps and then dodging edge pressure from both sides every time. No run game to support him either.

The most mental thing has to be Bowles inability to make a decision, at pretty much any point. Long was playing with 2 fingers and has been sub-par all year, it was obvious in the first quarter he was ****ed and yet still he was left in and still we were taking shotgun snaps every play? That's not even a coaching call, it's just common sense.

LuckyLloyd

corner back 2 wrote: »

Still nothing to be gained from benching him. Some obvious and simple adjustments can be made to improve the situation. 1 play a center who can snap the ball. 2 play an RB who can pass block. 3 try calling pass plays to your best tight end eg Herndon. 4 don't keep calling screens to your slowest players. 5 try making in game adjustments if something not working. 6 stop going with empty sets when QB is constantly being pressured.

Nothing to be gained but - at a certain point - there is plenty to be saved. Last three weeks he's 52 of 110 (47%) for 2 TDs and 7 Interceptions and his general stat ratings (whichever one you prefer) have been way below replacement level. You can't keep going like this because you'll shatter his confidence and build an intolerable level of media / fan pressure around his play. Rather have McCown take those lumps - he's getting paid handsomely to do so.

LuckyLloyd

phatkev wrote: »

Of course he was uncomfortable, QB is all about getting into a rhythm and when you've a center thats constantly snapping balls at your ankles or over your head its going to be hard to set any sort of rhythm. When a rookie QB (or any QB for that matter) is forced to focus on where the snap is going to go instead of their pre snap reads your going to have problems!

Kearse gave up and that says more about him than Darnold, it was a pathetic showing from the so called veteran yesterday. I cant begin to think how anybody could defend him!

I said at the start of the season I didn’t expect much this season, somewhere in the region of 4/6 wins. The one thing I did expect was for the coaching staff to develop Darnold, right now its clear their not capable of that so they can gtfo!

I said right or wrong on players giving up. They're human. What's the point in constantly running and cutting hard to generate separation when the ball comes at you all wrong? Sure, shake it off. One drive, one quarter, one game but three games in succession? Players lose faith. It takes a truly great pro to keep putting forth your best effort in these situations. None of our offensive players are going to the Hall or making an All Pro list any time soon. They're not even pro bowlers ffs!

And this serves to undermine your final point. We don't have the fundamental structural pieces on offense to develop a rookie. At a certain point its dangerous abuse of a highly valuable future asset to keep him out there without the tools around him.

I'm hoping Allen doesn't play for the Bills next week and the game script is kept super manageable and run heavy.

phatkev

QB development comes down to far more than just the personal on the field though! The only two major differences between last years offence and this one is the QB and the OC. Last year Morton came into games and used his play calling to scheme guys open, Morton was making McCowns job easy not the other way around. A rookie QB needs a coaching staff that understands what their working with and how to play to the players strengths and weaknesses, Darnold doesn’t have this with the current staff.

The commentators mentioned yesterday about coaches scripting there first 20 plays or so, when Bates had reached this number they said they’d be interested to see how he changed it up considering the first 20 plays went no where. Not only did Bates not even attempt to change his play calling he left it the very same as it was and got the very same results, hardly surprising!
As someone already mentioned in this thread they could tell the plays that were about to be ran, if a fan can tell you whats coming next a defensive coordinator is going to have a field day, which he did! How does Darnold stand a chance of development when this is what he has to work with.

hots

phatkev wrote: »

The commentators mentioned yesterday about coaches scripting there first 20 plays or so, when Bates had reached this number they said they’d be interested to see how he changed it up considering the first 20 plays went no where. Not only did Bates not even attempt to change his play calling he left it the very same as it was and got the very same results, hardly surprising!
As someone already mentioned in this thread they could tell the plays that were about to be ran, if a fan can tell you whats coming next a defensive coordinator is going to have a field day, which he did! How does Darnold stand a chance of development when this is what he has to work with.

That was something that stood out massively for me, there was no switch up at all, or any discernible style that I could see either.


Dolphins are poor enough but they mixed up their game early with some easy checkdowns, some slightly varied run game and some medium distance throws. Hardly rocket science stuff but still made ours looked ill-equipped.

LuckyLloyd

**** sake. The Dolphins got completely shut down on offense Sunday!! How was their game plan better than ours? They kicked two field goals and were gifted the winning TD by Darnold.

We had 15 first downs to their 7
We had 64 plays to their 55
We had 282 yards to their 168
We won time of possession

And yet we have posters here saying our D isn't special, that they were celebrating too much (:rolleyes:) and now saying their Offensive game planning made ours look poor?

We won the ****ing game. We had them locked down and were superior where it counted. Then we threw three interceptions in our last four drives, one of which was a floater walk in pick six. Ridiculous.

hots

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

**** sake. The Dolphins got completely shut down on offense Sunday!! How was their game plan better than ours? They kicked two field goals and were gifted the winning TD by Darnold.

We had 15 first downs to their 7
We had 64 plays to their 55
We had 282 yards to their 168
We won time of possession

And yet we have posters here saying our D isn't special, that they were celebrating too much (:rolleyes:) and now saying their Offensive game planning made ours look poor?

We won the ****ing game. We had them locked down and were superior where it counted. Then we threw three interceptions in our last four drives, one of which was a floater walk in pick six. Ridiculous.

I think our defense did very well, made some big stops when it mattered but I think their offensive playcalling was far superior to ours, they have almost no talent on their offense and constantly mixed up the plays. They managed to generate rushing opps regularly enough and got decent production out of them, far more than we managed. If we had a couple of running back hitting 4/5 yards instead of less than 3 yards a carry it would take a heap of pressure off an inexperienced QB.


We also put Darnold into a position to fail again, pretty much the only objective of the season was to give him an easy ride to develop. Put him in an easy position to succeed, run lots and with variance, give him a majority of quick throws, lots of screens and checkdowns, use Robby to keep the defense honest deep etc.. In contrast, we ran poorly, infrequently (we weren't chasing a cricket score, not like we had to pass every down) and almost exclusively up the middle. We had Robby coming short too often, it's not his game.


Sam had relatively little time and often was waiting to make a pass, tbf not sure how much of the responsibility is riding on his reads, the WRs not getting open or the plays selected...

hots

hots wrote: »

I think our defense did very well, made some big stops when it mattered but I think their offensive playcalling was far superior to ours, they have almost no talent on their offense and constantly mixed up the plays. They managed to generate rushing opps regularly enough and got decent production out of them, far more than we managed. If we had a couple of running back hitting 4/5 yards instead of less than 3 yards a carry it would take a heap of pressure off an inexperienced QB.


We also put Darnold into a position to fail again, pretty much the only objective of the season was to give him an easy ride to develop. Put him in an easy position to succeed, run lots and with variance, give him a majority of quick throws, lots of screens and checkdowns, use Robby to keep the defense honest deep etc.. In contrast, we ran poorly, infrequently (we weren't chasing a cricket score, not like we had to pass every down) and almost exclusively up the middle. We had Robby coming short too often, it's not his game.


Sam had relatively little time and often was waiting to make a pass, tbf not sure how much of the responsibility is riding on his reads, the WRs not getting open or the plays selected...

Ignore my RB production comments anyway, was looking at game1 stats. Perception =/= reality there.

corner back 2

hots wrote: »

Ignore my RB production comments anyway, was looking at game1 stats. Perception =/= reality there.

Our RB production has been rubbish apart from Denver game. You have to remember it's all Darnolds fault and players are allowed to quit because of him!!!!

hots

corner back 2 wrote: »

Our RB production has been rubbish apart from Denver game. You have to remember it's all Darnolds fault and players are allowed to quit because of him!!!!

:pac:


That Denver game is such a freak outlier I'd love to know what went on there, it's not like they're a really really poor defense? Sure we're missing Powell now but it's not Crow had (or has) ever shown yardage close to that before or since.

corner back 2

Crowell may be a bit banged up but I think a lot has to do with the play calling. Inside run nearly every time on 2nd down. We never line up with two in the backfield and rarely do we try and run behind a TE or a pulling guard. We rarely use hurry up to try and put the opposition off balance or even try some run pass option. As has been said earlier the fans are successfully predicting what plays the Jets are going to call so it can't be that hard to play against for an NFL D coordinator. The other problem is there is never any in-game adjustment and when teams feel that we can't move the ball through the air we become very easy to play against.

LuckyLloyd

corner back 2 wrote: »

Our RB production has been rubbish apart from Denver game. You have to remember it's all Darnolds fault and players are allowed to quit because of him!!!!

They will quit, whether they should be allowed to is obviously another matter. Seems baffling to me that everyone here wants to discuss some terrible performances without discussing the QB, the most important position on the field.

corner back 2

Have already said that Darnold needs to improve on numerous occasions but I have also stated that the Jets need to give him better conditions to succeed. Like him or not there is a huge amount of future success hanging on Darnold and the Jets need to do a few simple things to help him. Yes maybe we would have won the Dolphins game with another QB but there is no guarantee that would have happened given how bad the offense and the play calling is. I am not absolving Darnold of blame but unlike some I am not putting it all on him.

notobtuse

Another season down the crapper.  The NFL might as well reserve the 6th draft pick for the Jets in advance of every season.

hots

notobtuse wrote: »

Another season down the crapper. The NFL might as well reserve the 6th draft pick for the Jets in advance of every season.

what W/L were you hoping for?

phatkev

Darnold out versus the Bills. Some sort of foot injury, Bowles had said Monday he wasnt aware of him being hurt so not sure if the injury is from Sunday or if it happened in training

phatkev

hots wrote: »

what W/L were you hoping for?

regardless of QB this was always going to be a sub .500 season, not sure why people thought it would be any better

LuckyLloyd

Good Darnold is out, he could use a couple of weeks off. McCown under center will hopefully give a boost to everyone and the positive energy carry them to a good performance against a very beatable team ahead of the bye.