New York Jets Thread

Igotadose

Just hoping 1) no major injuries 2) If it gets too far out of hand, sit the regulars. 3) They don't get destroyed

I'd just run Bell, Bell, Bell as much as possible. Something they've not done this year.

hots

Igotadose wrote: »

Just hoping 1) no major injuries 2) If it gets too far out of hand, sit the regulars. 3) They don't get destroyed

I'd just run Bell, Bell, Bell as much as possible. Something they've not done this year.

If he's got over his cold I'd really like to see Bell and Powell on the field together and throw some interesting looks out.

For all the stick we're getting over maybe trading Bell, Powell and Ty are both outperforming him and they both run behind the same ****ty O Line and have the same 'questionable' coaching. I'd like to see him actually throw up some numbers at some point.

Igotadose

It's cold comfort, but it appears the Patriots have been caught cheating yet again, filming the Bengals practice.
http://www.espn.com/espn/wire/_/section/nfl/id/28269142
The Bengals. Really? Is it worth it? Is all the cheating the reason they win the Super Bowl (maybe not getting there this year, one can hope).
Spygate, Deflategate, now Spygate 2.0 and I'm probably forgetting some other dubious behaviors.

At this point, what can the NFL do? Forfeit their games? Ban them from the postseason and the draft for a year?

phatkev

Igotadose wrote: »

It's cold comfort, but it appears the Patriots have been caught cheating yet again, filming the Bengals practice.
http://www.espn.com/espn/wire/_/section/nfl/id/28269142
The Bengals. Really? Is it worth it? Is all the cheating the reason they win the Super Bowl (maybe not getting there this year, one can hope).
Spygate, Deflategate, now Spygate 2.0 and I'm probably forgetting some other dubious behaviors.

At this point, what can the NFL do? Forfeit their games? Ban them from the postseason and the draft for a year?

meh, couldnt give a flying **** what the Pats do to be honest and this most recent "incident" seems like a complete non story.
I'll start giving a **** about what the Patriots do whenever the Jets decide to pull their finger out and actually give them some sort of challenge in the AFCE.

corner back 2

franglan wrote: »

Think it's the first time in nearly 2 decades supporting the jets that I've bet against them. Defense is too battered to compete against a multi functional offensive like Baltimore.

Hard to argue I would be amazed if they can keep it anyway close.

hots

hots wrote: »

I took -15.5 at half time at 5/2. I'm genuinely curious to see what approach gregg williams takes on defense, we're strong against the run but gave up some soft stuff to Fitz at the weekend. Our corners are still totally decimated. Could see him going heavy against the run early on maybe to try and get Lamar throwing? If Adams is playing you could see him watching the option all night long really.

Close.

notobtuse

Two more games left in this miserable year and fourth straight losing season. Tell me about this Rugby thing.

hots

Haven't watched it yet but r/nfl was relatively complimentary about us anyway, Sam's numbers look decent. Playing a defence made up of a D line and whoever they could carry onto the pitch, probably should be happy it wasn't higher.

phatkev

Williams has done a pretty stellar job with the defense in fairness to him. One thing I cant get behind is putting mlbs on the fastest players on the pitch, Hewitt/Basham have been isolated one on one with slot receivers so many times this season. Every game they're good to give up at least one big play or PI, and they can be blamed for any of them, there just not built to cover these speedy receivers

hots

phatkev wrote: »

Williams has done a pretty stellar job with the defense in fairness to him. One thing I cant get behind is putting mlbs on the fastest players on the pitch, Hewitt/Basham have been isolated one on one with slot receivers so many times this season. Every game they're good to give up at least one big play or PI, and they can be blamed for any of them, there just not built to cover these speedy receivers

definitely Hewitt, seen him tracking out wide a number of times and struggling, presumably a product of our dwindling corners

corner back 2

Gases promise of meaningful football in December has meant it's been very busy around here lately!!! Anyway I just wanted to recommend listening to the latest episode of Rich Ciminis Flight Deck podcast. There is an interview with Rex Ryan and it's very interesting to hear his views on Gase.

corner back 2

Gase has lost the respect of the locker room according to Connor Roger's on Bleacher Report. Source is given as an unnamed Jets player. I fear that Gase's reputation is so bad around the league that it will be very hard to get high level free agents to sign for the Jets especially on offense.

Igotadose

corner back 2 wrote: »

Gase has lost the respect of the locker room according to Connor Roger's on Bleacher Report. Source is given as an unnamed Jets player. I fear that Gase's reputation is so bad around the league that it will be very hard to get high level free agents to sign for the Jets especially on offense.

Eh. Bleacher report stirring sh1te. Gase is coach through next season. If the money's there, the players will come. Hopefully the team shows some signs of life the next two games with nothing to play for, like so...so many seasons.

Winning fixes everything.

corner back 2

Igotadose wrote: »

Eh. Bleacher report stirring sh1te. Gase is coach through next season. If the money's there, the players will come. Hopefully the team shows some signs of life the next two games with nothing to play for, like so...so many seasons.

Winning fixes everything.

Dont know if stirring is the case. Listening to a few different podcasts at the moment not just Jets ones and it's very apparent how poor Gases reputation is. I have that sinking feeling that next year will be another lost year and we will start again in 2021 with a new coach.

franglan

Lads we'll be having a similar convo in a year and Sam will be a year further on in his rookie contract. Gase will be HC week 1 next year I'm resigned to that.

corner back 2

franglan wrote: »

Lads we'll be having a similar convo in a year and Sam will be a year further on in his rookie contract. Gase will be HC week 1 next year I'm resigned to that.

That's the problem Gase is killing my early season optimism for next year before this year is over!!

SHOVELLER

My quest to get into a game for single digits once again failed against the Dolphins! Arriving during the second quarter after paying $11.23 for a $7 verified resale ticket to find the Jets ahead was super! The "scalpers" outside were bemused at how hard I was laughing when they offered me a ticket for $50!

Anyway strolled into a section almost right behind the Dolphins bench and nobody seemed to care to check tickets. Met a bunch of real funny Jets fans who sounded like they had been disappointed for decades!





Got to see Sam throw for a TD to make it 16-6 but then 4 consecutive field goals had the Dolphins ahead then Ficken made it 19-18 with 4 minutes left. With Fitzmagic working hard the atmosphere was getting pretty negative and when another field goal sailed over with a minute or so left all the bile came out.

Jets fans appreciate Fitzpatrick and I didn't hear abuse directed his way.

But the best was to come when Ficken nailed another kick to win it and everyone went home happy. So a fun day out and very happy to be there to see the Jets win a fifth game which is better than last year!





An example of the comments flowing:

"I'll **** my pants if the Jets win"

Response:

"At least you'll be warm"

franglan

Give neutral zone infraction a new contract! This is horrendous to watch. How are we still winning this in the forth quarter.

hots

Ah the jetsiest of jets wins, that was awful quality.

notobtuse

2012, Mark Sanchez, The Butt Fumble... 2019, Sam Darnold, The Nut Fumble.

phatkev

hots wrote: »

Ah the jetsiest of jets wins, that was awful quality.

And the exact type of results the Johnsons will use to keep Gase around!

corner back 2

phatkev wrote: »

And the exact type of results the Johnsons will use to keep Gase around!

Time to put your money on the Jets going 8-8 next year and keeping Gase again because of the signs of improvement.

corner back 2

Happy Christmas to all the long suffering Jets fans. Remember theres always next year!!

notobtuse

corner back 2 wrote: »

Happy Christmas to all the long suffering Jets fans. Remember theres always next year!!

I've heard that for the last 50 years.

corner back 2

Jamal Adams named team MVP for the second year in a row. Really hope they dont trade him this off season.

hots

corner back 2 wrote: »

Jamal Adams named team MVP for the second year in a row. Really hope they dont trade him this off season.

Agreed, he's one of the very few untouchables imo.

Igotadose

11th pick in the draft.

hots

Igotadose wrote: »

11th pick in the draft.

Yup, either means one of the WRs or lower O Lineman I'd say.

As a ****ty season goes, riddled with injuries and a tough SOS, we've ended up with an ok W/L ratio all things considered. A couple of close, poor losses, a couple of soft wins too. A strong second half to the season, when we were at our weakest, I'm not sure where to credit that other than Gregg Williams.

The wins/losses were very similar to what was predicted at the start of the season, it would have been really interesting to see this team with even half of the injuries. I would have expected a season very similar to the Bills tbh, they got lucky with injuries and we didn't. They have dominated with a defense (we would have been close although a secondary that wouldn't be a high enough level), and got by with an offense without a huge amount of skill (I think our skill positions are much better but poor O Line, even fully fit).

phatkev

A very flat end to a disappointing season, a really disappointing decade overall!

Igotadose

Next year's opponents:

Home: Patriots, Bills, Dolphins, 49ers, Cardinals, Raiders, Broncos and Browns.
Road: Patriots, Bills, Dolphins, Rams, Seahawks, Chiefs, Chargers and Colts.

Chiefs, Seahawks, 49ers, Bills, Patriots all playoff teams, so that's 6 games against 2019 playoff qualifiers. Rams just missed playoffs. Going to be tough sledding next year. Playing in Seattle is tough (I saw the Jets play in Seattle once!)

phatkev

Igotadose wrote: »

Next year's opponents:

Home: Patriots, Bills, Dolphins, 49ers, Cardinals, Raiders, Broncos and Browns.
Road: Patriots, Bills, Dolphins, Rams, Seahawks, Chiefs, Chargers and Colts.

Chiefs, Seahawks, 49ers, Bills, Patriots all playoff teams, so that's 6 games against 2019 playoff qualifiers. Rams just missed playoffs. Going to be tough sledding next year. Playing in Seattle is tough (I saw the Jets play in Seattle once!)

I can see the excuses coming in for Gase already, tough schedule nothing more he could do etc etc after another meaningless December

notobtuse

I kinda don’t think Jamal Adams, Le’Veon Bell and Robby Anderson will be back for the 2020 season.

hots

notobtuse wrote: »

I kinda don’t think Jamal Adams, Le’Veon Bell and Robby Anderson will be back for the 2020 season.

I think Adams is kept, Robby is let go and no one will want Bell. I'd let Bell go without too much heartbreak, for all of our ****ty O Line and Gase being the devil, he's overpaid and not outshining other RBs in the same situation. He's an elite talent and good in the lockerroom but not untouchable.

hots

Igotadose wrote: »

Next year's opponents:

Home: Patriots, Bills, Dolphins, 49ers, Cardinals, Raiders, Broncos and Browns.
Road: Patriots, Bills, Dolphins, Rams, Seahawks, Chiefs, Chargers and Colts.

Chiefs, Seahawks, 49ers, Bills, Patriots all playoff teams, so that's 6 games against 2019 playoff qualifiers. Rams just missed playoffs. Going to be tough sledding next year. Playing in Seattle is tough (I saw the Jets play in Seattle once!)

Tough enough road schedule for sure, makes our divisional games massive I think, you'd need to come out of it 4-2 and then another 4 home wins and maybe 1 or 2 of the remaining away ones to have a playoff shout

notobtuse

hots wrote: »

I think Adams is kept, Robby is let go and no one will want Bell. I'd let Bell go without too much heartbreak, for all of our ****ty O Line and Gase being the devil, he's overpaid and not outshining other RBs in the same situation. He's an elite talent and good in the lockerroom but not untouchable.

I hope Adams stays. He's under contract through the 2020 season but I think Adams will be demanding to have his contract redone in the offseason with an extension and will be looking to become the highest paid safety in the NFL. But the Jets have so many other needs... A good front line for Darnold, a couple of cornerbacks, an effective pass rusher, and a quality wide receiver. They’ll probably address some of the issues in the Draft, but are they willing to pay crazy money for Adams, and how many other needs could be filled with a trade?

Igotadose

notobtuse wrote: »

I hope Adams stays. He's under contract through the 2020 season but I think Adams will be demanding to have his contract redone in the offseason with an extension and will be looking to become the highest paid safety in the NFL. But the Jets have so many other needs... A good front line for Darnold, a couple of cornerbacks, an effective pass rusher, and a quality wide receiver. They’ll probably address some of the issues in the Draft, but are they willing to pay crazy money for Adams, and how many other needs could be filled with a trade?

I hope he stays, we've had very few all-pros on this roster and Adams has done some amazing stuff. Likewise, I think Bell should stay - is there an upgrade out there?

Thing is, every team is like this - need an O line, some skill position players, ...

Maybe Moseley comes around and helps with the pass rush or Q Williams picks it up, disappointing #3. Time will tell, as always

notobtuse

Igotadose wrote: »

I hope he stays, we've had very few all-pros on this roster and Adams has done some amazing stuff. Likewise, I think Bell should stay - is there an upgrade out there?

Thing is, every team is like this - need an O line, some skill position players, ...

Maybe Moseley comes around and helps with the pass rush or Q Williams picks it up, disappointing #3. Time will tell, as always

Bell finished with 789 rushing yards on 245 carries, averaging 3.2 yards per carry. Not stellar numbers.

corner back 2

Hope everyone else is following Jets Twitter the last few days and if your not check out #burnergate. Great entertainment altogether and it could only happen to the Jets.

phatkev

corner back 2 wrote: »

Hope everyone else is following Jets Twitter the last few days and if your not check out #burnergate. Great entertainment altogether and it could only happen to the Jets.

Jets offseason never disappoints!!

Igotadose

Interesting piece in the Post about 2018-2019 NYJ injuries:
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They used a franchise-record 73 players. Only the Dolphins and Redskins used more this season.
They had 20 players wind up on injured reserve.
They used 11 starting offensive linemen. They had nine starting combinations on the line. They had three starters each at left guard and right guard.
They used four quarterbacks and three starting quarterbacks. It was the first time since 2005 they had four quarterbacks take a snap.

our players viewed as key starters in the preseason ended up playing two games or less — ILB C.J. Mosley (2 games), TE Chris Herndon (1 game), WR Quincy Enunwa (1 game) and ILB Avery Williamson (0 games).

The Jets used six starting cornerbacks on the outside (not counting nickel corner Brian Poole). They used five starting inside linebackers.
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Article said they're 'investigating.' This does seem crazy, though. Bad turf? I think the Giants had a lot of injuries as well. Or is it just bad luck?

https://nypost.com/2020/01/01/jets-investigating-their-unprecedented-injury-crisis/

phatkev

Igotadose wrote: »

Interesting piece in the Post about 2018-2019 NYJ injuries:
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They used a franchise-record 73 players. Only the Dolphins and Redskins used more this season.
They had 20 players wind up on injured reserve.
They used 11 starting offensive linemen. They had nine starting combinations on the line. They had three starters each at left guard and right guard.
They used four quarterbacks and three starting quarterbacks. It was the first time since 2005 they had four quarterbacks take a snap.

our players viewed as key starters in the preseason ended up playing two games or less — ILB C.J. Mosley (2 games), TE Chris Herndon (1 game), WR Quincy Enunwa (1 game) and ILB Avery Williamson (0 games).

The Jets used six starting cornerbacks on the outside (not counting nickel corner Brian Poole). They used five starting inside linebackers.
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Article said they're 'investigating.' This does seem crazy, though. Bad turf? I think the Giants had a lot of injuries as well. Or is it just bad luck?

https://nypost.com/2020/01/01/jets-investigating-their-unprecedented-injury-crisis/

I seem to remember the Ravens/chargers having similar issues over the last few years, there was quite a few articles linking it to the strength and conditioning programs they were using. Although there does seem to be a certain amount of bad luck involved at the same time.
I dont think you can blame it on the turf because if you look at the last 5/6 years the Jets havent been too bad with injuries, especially when compared to this year.

notobtuse

Now that the season is over and analysis of the season is underway I wonder if the unprecedented level of injuries will be blamed on a flaw in Gase’s conditioning program or just chalked up to bad luck.

phatkev

notobtuse wrote: »

Now that the season is over and analysis of the season is underway I wonder if the unprecedented level of injuries will be blamed on a flaw in Gase’s conditioning program or just chalked up to bad luck.

Definitely the latter, but that doesnt really hold up because Williams done an excellent job given how many injuries his defense had

corner back 2

2019 Jets offense:

4,368 yds (fewest since '05. Prior to that, fewest since '95)

253 first downs (fewest since '05. Prior to that, fewest since '92)

6 rush TD (fewest since '07. Prior to that, fewest since '95)

4.6 yds/play (fewest since '05. Prior to that, fewest since '95)

A few sobering stats I found on Twitter about the Jets offence. This combined with the Jets finishing last or near last in every major offensive category has to make you wonder about Gase going forward.

phatkev

corner back 2 wrote: »

2019 Jets offense:

4,368 yds (fewest since '05. Prior to that, fewest since '95)

253 first downs (fewest since '05. Prior to that, fewest since '92)

6 rush TD (fewest since '07. Prior to that, fewest since '95)

4.6 yds/play (fewest since '05. Prior to that, fewest since '95)

A few sobering stats I found on Twitter about the Jets offence. This combined with the Jets finishing last or near last in every major offensive category has to make you wonder about Gase going forward.

Seen that one myself, really doesn't make great reading

L.S.F

I'm definitely in the get rid of Gase camp. Didn't want him when he signed, came around to him in the offseason with all the positives people were saying about him and I think that lasted until the first game this season.

corner back 2

L.S.F wrote: »

I'm definitely in the get rid of Gase camp. Didn't want him when he signed, came around to him in the offseason with all the positives people were saying about him and I think that lasted until the first game this season.

Agree 100%. I feel I had the exact same experience and as soon as the season started all confidence in Gase rapidly disappeared. I probably followed the Jets more closely this season than any other because I started listening to podcasts driving too and from work every day. I added nearly every Jets writer and source possible to my Twitter feed and it is amazing how divisive Gase is. People who support him will ignore all the stats, his previous record and his unwillingness to adjust mid game. It is always someone else's fault and he seems to enjoy surrounding himself with yes men. That said there is some hope if Joe Douglas is as good a GM as people think he could be and not just a yes man for Gase. If he can draft well and fill some holes in free agency the talent level will improve and hopefully results will follow.

corner back 2

Posts online saying the Jets highly unlikely to bring back Robby Anderson. They are unwilling to pay him above 10 million a year. Lots of pros and cons to this but personally would rather see him coming back. Never good to see your best young players leaving and another hole on the roster needs to be filled.
On a seperate note delighted to see the Jets signing safety Anthony Cioffi. Saw him at a high school game a few years ago in Springfield NJ. Also I have eaten excellent Italian food from his family's deli in Springfield! Tenuous links I know but would live to see him make the roster. He had an excellent year in the CFL and he offers excellent special teams play.

L.S.F

Would also like to see Robbie back, can haul in some big plays. Still not at a WR1 level but great option to have for Darnold and a very fast player who causes problems

hots

I think Robby is worth more to someone else than he is to us, he's a luxury receiver imo, we need guys that can be regular targets for Sam. Saying that, we're now wafer thin at WR without him, we'll need to bring in some bodies.