Eden Hazard signs for Chelsea........ Or does he? *shifty eyes*

plasmaguy

greendom wrote: »

What about Cabaye who came from the same team ? There will always be flops - players that don't adjust to the differences in style (not saying that is necessarily true of Gervinho although he's had a difficult first season). Look at it the other way round. Cole has come from the premier league to Hazard's club and very rarely starts for them.

Cole not a great example, was out injured most of the time at Pool and was playing in the reserves a bit as well. He hasn't been great for years now mostly due to injuries.

plasmaguy

G.K. wrote: »

Because 1 game defines players' seasons...

One game doesn't define a players season but he's not good enough for Man City or Chelsea particulary for the CL and players don't get a bad first touch overnight, you either have it or you don't.

Like I said and will say again, Chelsea and Man City would be looking for world class players in order to compete against the likes of Barcalona and Real Madrid in the CL.

Is Cabaye a world class player? Of course he isn't. Is Girvinho, no, he's sh*t mostly. Is Hazard? Again no.

Unless he's a world class midfielder, City and Chelsea won't be buying him.

eagle eye

Eden Hazard is overrated by a lot of people. He is certainly an immensely talented prospect but you'd worry about him when he is telling the world he wants a move/is moving. He should be keeping the head down and concentrating on his football. He has an agent to to all that other stuff for him.

G.K.

plasmaguy wrote: »

One game doesn't define a players season but he's not good enough for Man City or Chelsea particulary for the CL and players don't get a bad first touch overnight, you either have it or you don't.

Like I said and will say again, Chelsea and Man City would be looking for world class players in order to compete against the likes of Barcalona and Real Madrid in the CL.

Is Cabaye a world class player? Of course he isn't. Is Girvinho, no, he's sh*t mostly. Is Hazard? Again no.

Unless he's a world class midfielder, City and Chelsea won't be buying him.

Cabaye has an excellent first touch, and tbh he's good enough to be at least a squad player for a top club.

greendom

Chelsea

eagle eye wrote: »

Eden Hazard is overrated by a lot of people. He is certainly an immensely talented prospect but you'd worry about him when he is telling the world he wants a move/is moving. He should be keeping the head down and concentrating on his football. He has an agent to to all that other stuff for him.

I agree with him not mouthing off but it doesn't seem to have affected his form. 9 goals in his last 9 home matches is not too shabby from a midfielder.

kippy

plasmaguy wrote: »

It's a fair point, but the league itself is of an average quality so if someone does well there, that doesn't mean much.

As for some of the best players doing well, yes, the best left France fairly young and proved themselves elsewhere, Anelka in England, Trezeque in Italy, Henry in England, Zidane, Lizarazou, and so on.

Of the French team who won the WC in 98, most were not playing in France.

Proving yourself in the French League is pretty meaningless. Apparantly Girvinho was "world class" in the French league, but has been poor in the EPL.

I wouldn't buy someone like Hazard until he proves himself in a top 4 European league which France certainly is not.

Drogba
Essien
Evra (ish)
Clichy

All players (and there are lots and lots more) who played at french clubs before they moved to the PL.

The quality of the league is pretty meaningless when it comes to quality players.

kippy

plasmaguy wrote: »

Because the French League to put it frankly is of a poor standard.

There are very few if any world class players playing in France.

Girvonho, Chamac, a couple of Arsenal centre-backs, all done well in France, but put them in a top 4 league and they are nobodies.

It's easy to look good in a sh*t league.

Lot of world class players plied their trade in the French leagues and moved on at some point to other leagues. Why - Money.
"Top 4 League" what a load of c0ck.

Good players, indeed players with oodles of potential may start out in the "not top" leagues and progress from there.
Ronaldo, Nani, Figo et al, originated in the Portugese league and moved out of it for money, thats the way of the world but to suggest that there is little chance that Hazard will do well in the EPL because he hasn't "proved himself" in a top 4 league (TM) is just nonsense.

ANY transfer is a gamble, no matter where the player originated from and buying Hazard is no more or less of a gamble than buying Veron, Henderson, Jones, De Gea etc etc etc

plasmaguy

Fair points Kippy, but Hazzard from what I can tell is not world class and I seriously doubt City or Chelsea would bother with anyone who isn't world class.

Girvinho appeared great for Lille but stick him in the EPL and he can only get a game when one of Arsenal's first choice midfielders are injured, and to be fair Arsenal's midfield is nowhere as good as Chelsea or Man City.

I would be shocked if he is playing with either these teams next season.

From what I remember of Arshavin a few years ago, he or more so his agent was going around linking him to all the top teams in England. It's not a good sign that, it's like a player is overselling themselves.

kippy

plasmaguy wrote: »

Fair points Kippy, but Hazzard from what I can tell is not world class and I seriously doubt City or Chelsea would bother with anyone who isn't world class.

Girvinho appeared great for Lille but stick him in the EPL and he can only get a game when one of Arsenal's first choice midfielders are injured, and to be fair Arsenal's midfield is nowhere as good as Chelsea or Man City.

I would be shocked if he is playing with either these teams next season.

From what I remember of Arshavin a few years ago, he or more so his agent was going around linking him to all the top teams in England. It's not a good sign that, it's like a player is overselling themselves.

What is world class?
Was Ronaldo "world class" while he was playing in portugal?
Gervinho keeps coming up, and for every effective player that comes into the EPL there are many whom it doesnt suit for whatever reason.
Chelsea have, in the past, bought players directly from the french leagues (as I have pointed out) who have turned out to be effective, some would say "world class" - whatever would stop them doing the same again with someone like Hazard?

I don't know too much about the guy being honest, but it does look like he will be playing in the EPL next year, and the fact that he now plays in the French leagues shouldnt matter either way, being honest.
Cabaye, who many mention as being a "class act" played for a french club before coming to newcastle, as did Ben Arfa, Tiote played in Belgium - the list of players who have been at worst "effective" in the premier league who have come from leagues so called "Outside of the top 4" is huge to say the least.

GLaDOS

plasmaguy wrote: »

Fair points Kippy, but Hazzard from what I can tell is not world class

You didn't know who he was this morning!

plasmaguy

ScienceNerd wrote: »

You didn't know who he was this morning!

I did a bit of research throughout the day, but if I didn't hear of him before today he's probably not that good to be frank.

He won't even be playing in the Euros.

He should have got himself a better country to play way, only half messing.

i reckon he's the new Arshavin, all hype but once he gets the big transfer, completely sh*te.

Xavi6

plasmaguy wrote: »

I did a bit of research throughout the day, but if I didn't hear of him before today he's probably not that good to be frank.

He won't even be playing in the Euros.

He should have got himself a better country to play way, only half messing.

i reckon he's the new Arshavin, all hype but once he gets the big transfer, completely sh*te.

Ladies and gentlemen, the official barometer by which football talent is measured.

'The Plasmometer'

plasmaguy

Xavi6 wrote: »

Ladies and gentlemen, the official barometer by which football talent is measured.

'The Plasmometer'

Ah look, no one on here is immune from talking sh*te, none more so than your good self, agreed?

plasmaguy

plasmaguy wrote: »

I did a bit of research throughout the day, but if I didn't hear of him before today he's probably not that good to be frank.

He won't even be playing in the Euros.

He should have got himself a better country to play way, only half messing.

i reckon he's the new Arshavin, all hype but once he gets the big transfer, completely sh*te.

Just to correct you there, Arshavin wasnt completely sh*te, far from it if you recall his goals especially the 4 at Anfield and the winner the following season. he was just completely money driven and couldnt be arsed trying which in turn mainifested itself as being useless to the team. Had he applied himself like he did for Russia he would have been unreal.

This Hazard seems to be a bit of a shaper but i suppose thats modern day football for you. They dont do humility.

Xavi6

plasmaguy wrote: »

Ah look, no one on here is immune from talking sh*te, none more so than your good self, agreed?

Is that an admittance of talking sh*te then

plasmaguy

Xavi6 wrote: »

Is that an admittance of talking sh*te then

Ah no, was only joking about that...

I'm an authority on everything to be fair.

bmcc10

eagle eye wrote: »

Eden Hazard is overrated by a lot of people. He is certainly an immensely talented prospect but you'd worry about him when he is telling the world he wants a move/is moving. He should be keeping the head down and concentrating on his football. He has an agent to to all that other stuff for him.

Might be wrong but hasnt he been credited for doing exactly the opposite and saying a few years back he,d move wen the time was right, Immensly talented player cant believe people are using gervinho as an example for not making it in Pl when clearly Hazard,s on a completely different level.

plasmaguy

We will see about Hazard.

I know this is obvious but just because someone says they will be playing with Chelsea or Man City next year doesn't mean they will.

Normally good or great player keep their heads down and let others including their agent worry about where they will be playing next season.

If the guy is good enough fair play to him. I'm sure he will set the Premier League alight and be a star and we will all be saying how brilliant he is.

Let's all wait and see. This time next year he might be footballer of the year in England.

stesaurus

Man City

plasmaguy wrote: »

ScienceNerd wrote: »

You didn't know who he was this morning!

I did a bit of research throughout the day, but if I didn't hear of him before today he's probably not that good to be frank.

He won't even be playing in the Euros.

He should have got himself a better country to play way, only half messing.

i reckon he's the new Arshavin, all hype but once he gets the big transfer, completely sh*te.

You're doing the equivalent of writing up a movie review based on a trailer. You don't have a clue haha

Seriously if you haven't seen him play then how can you possibly comment on how he'll end up?
You could be right but your just stabbing in the dark.

Imo, based on actually watching him over the last 2 seasons, he's got a lot of talent. Will be up there with a lot of the other talented young AMs around Götze, Reus, Kagawa, Lucas, Belhanda, Thiago etc.

Really hope he ends up at Utd but reckon it will be a situation like Özil, Sneijder etc.

bmcc10

s.welstead wrote: »

You're doing the equivalent of writing up a movie review based on a trailer. You don't have a clue haha

Seriously if you haven't seen him play then how can you possibly comment on how he'll end up?
You could be right but your just stabbing in the dark.

Imo, based on actually watching him over the last 2 seasons, he's got a lot of talent. Will be up there with a lot of the other talented young AMs around Götze, Reus, Kagawa, Lucas, Belhanda, Thiago etc.

Really hope he ends up at Utd but reckon it will be a situation like Özil, Sneijder etc.

Unfortunatly id say he,ll be city player next year, lucas for me outta that bunch he,s going to be specail.

CSF

Chelsea

plasmaguy wrote: »

ScienceNerd wrote: »

You didn't know who he was this morning!

I did a bit of research throughout the day, but if I didn't hear of him before today he's probably not that good to be frank.

He won't even be playing in the Euros.

He should have got himself a better country to play way, only half messing.

i reckon he's the new Arshavin, all hype but once he gets the big transfer, completely sh*te.

This post, oh my god. The ignorance.

Frisbee

G.K. wrote: »

When Gervinho's played in his proper position - the left of an attacking 3, he's not looked too bad - even against Norwich that was the case. When he's been on the right he's not been so good, again shown against norwich.

Gervinho'd proper position is on the right. That's where he played for Lille. He's only been deployed on the left since he joined us.

event

plasmaguy wrote: »

And from the research I've done today, he doesn't strike me as outstanding, I haven't even heard of the guy before today which indicates he hasn't featured at the sharp end of the CL, and the French League isn't something I watch or follow.

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To be honest he's not good enough for Man City, and probably not good enough for Man Utd or Chelsea either.
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which involved what, looking at a few videos on youtube and reading a few blogs?

im assuming you're taking the piss, you cant actually be serious?
on the basis of one days "research" you have decided he isnt good enough for city, chelsea or united?

someone get on the phone to fergie quick, we have a lad here who can do scouting without leaving his laptop

EDIT: a lot of people didnt think ronaldinho could cut it in a top league either, he had only really played in france too.

DoctorGonzo08

plasmaguy wrote: »

Ah no, was only joking about that...

I'm an authority on everything to be fair.

I honestly can't believe you are posting on you 'authority' again after your debacle in the Sack Mancini thread. Just read back on the nonsense you have already posted here on Hazard and the French Ligue 1 before contributing anymore of your 'Footballing Knowledge'.

cson

Frisbee wrote: »

Gervinho'd proper position is on the right. That's where he played for Lille. He's only been deployed on the left since he joined us.

Gervinho's proper position is as far away from the pitch as possible.

lordgoat

cson wrote: »

Gervinho's proper position is as far away from the pitch as possible.

He has a magnificently shaped cranium though.

DoctorGonzo08

lordgoat wrote: »

He has a magnificently shaped cranium though.

Headband is just for holding his dreadlock wig in place.

plasmaguy

My last post on Hazard.

He's a good player playing in a mediocre league where the quality is nowhere near that of the top 4 leagues in Europe.

This is not my opinion, its just a fact the French League is nowhere near the same level as the top 4 leagues and hasn't been for a while.

Good luck to the guy if he thinks he can make it big in England.

plasmaguy

DoctorGonzo08 wrote: »

I honestly can't believe you are posting on you 'authority' again after your debacle in the Sack Mancini thread. Just read back on the nonsense you have already posted here on Hazard and the French Ligue 1 before contributing anymore of your 'Footballing Knowledge'.

Ignored. Can't be ars*d.

plasmaguy

event wrote: »

which involved what, looking at a few videos on youtube and reading a few blogs?

im assuming you're taking the piss, you cant actually be serious?
on the basis of one days "research" you have decided he isnt good enough for city, chelsea or united?

someone get on the phone to fergie quick, we have a lad here who can do scouting without leaving his laptop

EDIT: a lot of people didnt think ronaldinho could cut it in a top league either, he had only really played in france too.

Get real FFS. Ronaldinho was a top class International player at that stage and was already a world cup winner with Brazil.

Comparing someone like Hazard with Ronaldinho is simply laughable. You can spin it any way you want, but your post is dumb, go on admit it.

premierstone

plasmaguy wrote: »

My last post on Hazard.

Thank fcuk for small mercies

plasmaguy

premierstone wrote: »

Thank fcuk for small mercies

For that, I've changed my mind. Should have kept your mouth shut, eh.

DoctorGonzo08

plasmaguy wrote: »

Ignored. Can't be ars*d.

By replying to it you have in fact addressed it, not ignored it. I understand you can't be ars*d, as you couldn't be arsed to quote any real facts, and instead just sneeze out any nonsense you see fit. THe remarks you are making about players moving from the French Ligue 1 to the Premiership are all drivel. Just as much so as the nonesense you spouted in the Mancini thread. I'm sure you have a point somewhere in your madness, but your scattergun approach to a debate leads me to believe its more a case of throwing enough sh1t at the wall something will stick.

Really would have respected you more if you had accepted the bet of posting access, but I don't think anyone on here actually believed you would be the kind of poster that would stand by your comments.

Still waiting for that apology you promised, as is at lot of others. :rolleyes:

Will I Amnt

Plasmaguy ignoring people...........well I never....
Soon it will be just his own inane ramblings visible to him.

kippy

plasmaguy wrote: »

My last post on Hazard.

He's a good player playing in a mediocre league where the quality is nowhere near that of the top 4 leagues in Europe.

This is not my opinion, its just a fact the French League is nowhere near the same level as the top 4 leagues and hasn't been for a while.

Good luck to the guy if he thinks he can make it big in England.

You don't get it do you?
The french league not being a "top 4 league" has absolutely nothing at all to do with the potential of Hazard doing a job for a team in the PL.
Jesus, no team would sign anyone outside of your so called "top 4 leagues" if their scouts operated on your logic.

LuckyLloyd

Also, anecdotal it may be but I've lost count of the amount of times I am up against an opponent on FIFA who chooses Lille / Belgium and spends the whole game getting the ball to Hazard so they can try and run the ball into the net...he might be more well known than plasmaguy likes to think.

Hank Scorpio

Some gems posted in this thread thanks for the laughs

Xavi6

DoctorGonzo08 wrote: »

Vincent Kompany thread is thata way

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Pudsy33

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Also, anecdotal it may be but I've lost count of the amount of times I am up against an opponent on FIFA who chooses Lille / Belgium and spends the whole game getting the ball to Hazard so they can try and run the ball into the net...he might be more well known than plasmaguy likes to think.

I am that guy, sorry.

kippy

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Also, anecdotal it may be but I've lost count of the amount of times I am up against an opponent on FIFA who chooses Lille / Belgium and spends the whole game getting the ball to Hazard so they can try and run the ball into the net...he might be more well known than plasmaguy likes to think.

He has also been a "wonder kid" for the last few iterations of Football Manager. A sure sign that this guy will make it big in real life.

cson

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Also, anecdotal it may be but I've lost count of the amount of times I am up against an opponent on FIFA who chooses Lille / Belgium and spends the whole game getting the ball to Hazard so they can try and run the ball into the net...he might be more well known than plasmaguy likes to think.

I'm also that guy.

Can't beat playing as Belgium; lash it down the wings to Hazard and Mertens. :P

G.K.

Frisbee wrote: »

Gervinho'd proper position is on the right. That's where he played for Lille. He's only been deployed on the left since he joined us.

Oops, mixing my facts up.

monkey9

Boards has found it's new SOTS!

Flincher

kippy wrote: »

He has also been a "wonder kid" for the last few iterations of Football Manager. A sure sign that this guy will make it big in real life.

My West Brom side really struggled when he hit 30. Just wasn't the same.

(Mario Gomez, still good for a goal off the bench at 36. Animal)

Giggsy11

Eden hazard ‏ @hazardeden10
Plus que 2 matchs a vivre sous les couleurs du LOSC... Sniff

@ Eden hazard hazardeden10
More than 2 games to live under the colors of the LOSC ... sniff

Sniff? lol.

J. Marston

What a clown.

Will I Amnt

This lad is grinding my gears before he even gets to the EPL.
I think he could oust my good friend Luis from top spot on the players I love to hate.

Ebbs

Giggsy11 wrote: »

@ Eden hazard hazardeden10
More than 2 games to live under the colors of the LOSC ... sniff

Sniff? lol.

CSF

Chelsea

Giggsy11 wrote: »

Eden hazard ‏ @hazardeden10
Plus que 2 matchs a vivre sous les couleurs du LOSC... Sniff

@ Eden hazard hazardeden10
More than 2 games to live under the colors of the LOSC ... sniff

Sniff? lol.

That translation is way off btw.

Giggsy11

CSF wrote: »

That translation is way off btw.

Blame google translator