If you are pregnant , don't bother with MY school

Biggins

dark crystal wrote: »

Thanks for that

I've heard great things about Educate Together, so I made sure and got him booked him when he was just out of the womb, because the waiting list was so long!

From the very beginning they inject fun and discovery as part of the learning process all the way through.
Two already on mine enrolled are doing exceptionally well given their young age, due partly, if not on the whole, to their methods of instilling material into their minds while keeping the stuff fresh and interesting no matter what the topic is.

My only regret is that these schools were not around in my day.
No matter, my kids are reaping the benefit now and I'm grateful for that.

There is (on that site) suggested methods (even a template) which you can use to try get one closer in your area.
Naturally it will take work but if your successful, its well worth it.
I wish you luck.

micropig

Nodin wrote: »

.....thus depriving the girl of social contact, which girls of that age generally have.

So, she should not have been provided with maternity leave?

I'm sure the other school she attended had other pupils there
Mobile phones
facebook
meeting up....

Nodin wrote: »

So now its been shown just how obnoxious the individual(s) behind this incident are, you change your angle entirely....opposition for oppositions sake.

Ok so lets ignore :
the teenage pregnancy...that's perfectly acceptable in this day an age.
the fact that other posters here have described the school as being obscure with their beliefs-this girl is entitled to go there, even though it has an ethos she doesn't subscribe to
the fact that there is other schools in the area, she could, and did attend and that the state provided her with home tuition
She went through schools because she couldn't settle..was she disruptive in these schools?

Is there other schools in the area which would provide a more rounded education than the stance this school takes?

Is there a more suitable school in the area, with a more sympathetic view of teenage mums?

What is being done in schools to reduce teenage pregnancy ?






Lets just award her €11.5 million and we'll say no more about it- show other teenagers how easy it is to become a millionaire;)

/thread

hondasam

micropig wrote: »

Ok so lets ignore :
the teenage pregnancy...that's perfectly acceptable in this day an age.
the fact that other posters here have described the school as being obscure with their beliefs-this girl is entitled to go there, even though it has an ethos she doesn't subscribe to
the fact that there is other schools in the area, she could, and did attend and that the state provided her with home tuition
She went through schools because she couldn't settle..was she disruptive in these schools?

Is there other schools in the area which would provide a more rounded education than the stance this school takes?

Is there a more suitable school in the area, with a more sympathetic view of teenage mums?

What is being done in schools to reduce teenage pregnancy ?






Lets just award her €11.5 million and we'll say no more about it- show other teenagers how easy it is to become a millionaire;)

/thread

Much as I hate to agree with you I would acknowledge some of the above points. I would hate to think it's about money tbh.
When people campaign on a principle but then it's about money it annoys me.

eviltwin

micropig wrote: »

So, she should not have been provided with maternity leave?

I'm sure the other school she attended had other pupils there
Mobile phones
facebook
meeting up....







Ok so lets ignore :
the teenage pregnancy...that's perfectly acceptable in this day an age.
the fact that other posters here have described the school as being obscure with their beliefs-this girl is entitled to go there, even though it has an ethos she doesn't subscribe to
the fact that there is other schools in the area, she could, and did attend and that the state provided her with home tuition
She went through schools because she couldn't settle..was she disruptive in these schools?

Is there other schools in the area which would provide a more rounded education than the stance this school takes?

Is there a more suitable school in the area, with a more sympathetic view of teenage mums?

What is being done in schools to reduce teenage pregnancy ?






Lets just award her €11.5 million and we'll say no more about it- show other teenagers how easy it is to become a millionaire;)

/thread

this girl doesn't seem to be looking for money...once again the family didn't report this to the media, the ombudsman did.

for someone who supposedly works with vunerable young people you have a lot to learn about making stereotypical assumptions about people.

Dravokivich

Thread not done, it I feel the following may be more apt

[/micro pig]

You've just been spouting a lot;l of nonsense and muddying up the thread.

dark crystal

micropig wrote: »

Lets just award her €11.5 million and we'll say no more about it- show other teenagers how easy it is to become a millionaire;)

/thread

Where is it stated she's taking the school to court for compensation

hondasam

dark crystal wrote: »

Where is it stated she's taking the school to court for compensation

I would say there will be compensation.

However, the Ombudsman for Children is not satisfied with the response received from
School A and will be considering the steps available in this regard.

eviltwin

hondasam wrote: »

I would say there will be compensation.

I don't think so...afaik the ombudsman is only an avenue to make a complaint, if the family want to go down the legal route they will have to get a solicitor, no evidence to suggest they are going to. If anything I would say this family are mortified with the press coverage and want to just get on with their lives in peace.

mrm

I'd say it has been said already but I bet the same individuals who say she should not be schooled will be the same individuals who will complain if she receives social welfare in the future because she cannot obtain a job! There are consequences to every action. Some people just want to take every opportunity to sh*t on others, whether they themselves are affected or not.

Is any school denying an education to the boy who got her pregnant?

Have any of you 'morally just' individuals any suggestions yet for the 'dirty' offspring of this girl when it reaches schooling age?:rolleyes:

Biggins

micropig wrote: »

...See below

1.

the teenage pregnancy...that's perfectly acceptable in this day an age.

Great to read your that fair and open-minded!
(Yes, If you can be sarcastic, so can others!)

2.

the fact that other posters here have described the school as being obscure with their beliefs-this girl is entitled to go there, even though it has an ethos she doesn't subscribe to

The school was taking state funding, as if you knew your facts, this also (besides constitutional law and a Children's act saying so), you would (SHOULD if you have any kop-on) know that equality regardless of a number of state or conditions, makes it that any body should NOT discriminate!

3.

the fact that there is other schools in the area, she could, and did attend and that the state provided her with home tuition

Have you even bothered to wonder why they had to do this? Hang on, here is a few suggestions in point 4.

4.

She went through schools because she couldn't settle..was she disruptive in these schools?

O' yes, SHE must always be the problem - when in fact she might have been bullied, met other out of date stigma teachers/parents in other previous schools?
...But no, lets just assume without a bit of evidence, that she is the automatic problem!

5

Is there other schools in the area which would provide a more rounded education than the stance this school takes?
Is there a more suitable school in the area, with a more sympathetic view of teenage mums?

I bloody hope so - for the sake of other kids also attending just the ones run by a biased, bigoted, out of date idiot!

6.

What is being done in schools to reduce teenage pregnancy ?

A lot more than you think - but then we come up against another problem.
Some (religious) schools are not allowing such education!
A recent case reported to me was of Loretto Girls School in Balbriggan, Co Louth where the teachers there would not allow contraception to be even discussed!
One teacher tried to bring it up and was shot down for their efforts!

7.

Lets just award her €11.5 million and we'll say no more about it- show other teenagers how easy it is to become a millionaire;)

Who exactly said ANYWHERE she was suing them for financial gain?
What are going on about this rubbish for?

The ONLY thing that was suggested by someone else (the OMBUDSMAN), was that the poor girl deserved an apology for the rotten way she was treated.

staker

Surely shouldn't end with that girl getting financial compensation because of the stupidity of one person?

hondasam

eviltwin wrote: »

I don't think so...afaik the ombudsman is only an avenue to make a complaint, if the family want to go down the legal route they will have to get a solicitor, no evidence to suggest they are going to. If anything I would say this family are mortified with the press coverage and want to just get on with their lives in peace.

I hope you are right but I will be surprised if the do not get a settlement.

Cabaal

luckyfrank wrote: »

no sleep and studies woudnt work, she made a mistake having a kid that young, i back the school

Except the ombudsman has reported that she has done well in her studys since the birth, so your assumption is completely wrong

As a tax payer the school can do what they want when they don't get a penny of my tax's, however right now they get my money so they can't tell people they won't accept them just because they are single mothers.

Its the same that I wouldn't expect them to get away with not accepting a black kid because he was black, what the school has done is discrimination plain and simple!

Ghost Buster

omega666 wrote: »

The state funding which including my tax's and all those pople who want these type of schools tax's.

Maybe i should object to my tax going to fund Educate Together National School.

Yeah. Dam those ET schools with their inclusiveness.

MagicSean

Nodin wrote: »

Just to clarify - we do live in a country where the legal tradition indicates that guilt - not innocence - must be proved?

I find your remarks as regards the Ombudsman disturbing.

Disturbing in what way?

Aren't you being hypocritical? You seem happy enough to convict the principal without all the facts whereas I am saying we can't judge anyone.

dvpower wrote: »

The report also says she had friends in School A, so its not unreasonable that she would want to be with them, givin the circumstances.

There is, of course, no suggestion of her being bullied, or being a pyromaniac psychopath or being a violent drug dealer or having depression or her having a dark past.
These are all just part of your own fantasy.

Fantasy? What an odd choice of words. There is very little in the report at all to explain why she left the other schools.

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

Thats the Ombudsmans fault tbh. If she really wanted to protect the child she wouldn't have gone public over it or at least as public with as much detail about the school as possible (Like how many schools in munster have the founder, principal and patron as one person?!)

She wanted the school named but didn't want to do it herself which is cowardly. She is using the media to put pressure in a situation where she has no more legal right to exert it than I do. This post carries as much legal weight as her protestations.

That's my point.

eviltwin

hondasam wrote: »

I hope you are right but I will be surprised if the do not get a settlement.

Time will tell but if she does I hope the idiots that will spout rubbish about how she got pregnant on purpose will remember that she could not have predicted the way the school would react. The hole the school dug themselves is of their own doing, noone elses.

Cabaal

staker wrote: »

Surely shouldn't end with that girl getting financial compensation because of the stupidity of one person?

She should get some, certainly not alot....but some.

The school told her to buy a uniform and books, then told her they woudn't accept her.

This wasted her time and more importantly the parents money and was bound to cause emotional distress (since she wanted to be in the school to be with her friends).

You say stupidity of one person, perhaps but also the board of management for the school and not just once but twice. People have to see that there are reactions for the very bad decisions they make like this.

dvpower

hondasam wrote: »

I would say there will be compensation.

There is no suggestion anywhere of illegality, nevermind compensation.

dvpower

MagicSean wrote: »

Fantasy? What an odd choice of words. There is very little in the report at all to explain why she left the other schools.

Exactly. And you go an fill in the gaps with your fantastic ideas, based on nothing but your own predujices.

Biggins

Again - as far as I have read, the girl nor her mother, is NOT suing the state, the school or anyone.

staker

Cabaal wrote: »

She should get some, certainly not alot....but some.

The school told her to buy a uniform and books, then told her they woudn't accept her.

This wasted her time and more importantly the parents money and was bound to cause emotional distress (since she wanted to be in the school to be with her friends).

You say stupidity of one person, perhaps but also the board of management for the school and not just once but twice. People have to see that there are reactions for the very bad decisions they make like this.

I dunno, financial remuneration seems wrong in this instance imo.Reimbursing costs yes, but to put a price on distress she suffered is a bit too much. A public apology should be issued,and a step down from the manager to a lower management role wouldn't be out of place. I don't think it should cost him his job though.

staker

Biggins wrote: »

Again - as far as I have read, the girl nor her mother, is NOT suing the state, the school or anyone.

Hypothetically speaking:D

Biggins

staker wrote: »

I dunno, financial remuneration seems wrong in this instance imo.Reimbursing costs yes, but to put a price on distress she suffered is a bit too much. A public apology should be issued,and a step down from the manager to a lower management role wouldn't be out of place. I don't think it should cost him his job though.

I certainly wouldn't want someone that bigoted and/or out of date, teaching my kids.
The bigot certainly needs re-education to say the least!
I suspect though that such efforts would be wasted upon them.

Nodin

micropig wrote: »

So, she should not have been provided with maternity leave?

I'm sure the other school she attended had other pupils there
Mobile phones
facebook
meeting up....

So according to you, a child that's 'homeschooled' has no different experience to one who attends as the majority do. Am I reading you correctly there?

micropig wrote: »

Ok so lets ignore :
the teenage pregnancy....(snip)..........a millionaire;)
..../thread

Firing in a load of issues scattergun like, topped off with an issue no-one involved has thus far raised.

A school that receives funding from the state should not be entitled to discriminate in such a fashion. Furthermore, the manner in which the childs attempt at entry was dealt with was reprehensible.

ziggy23

Could not read the whole thread as my blood was boiling too much:mad::mad:
Some of the comments from posters such as 'Micropig' (apt username btw) are just so ignorant. Your life is obviously just peachy and nobody has let you down or turned out not to be person you thought they were. How dare you look down your nose at single parents. You don't know the story of every single parent out there. Go and educate yourself before making ignorant, trollish comments. And fair play Ash 23 you know what you're talking about.

staker

Biggins wrote: »

I certainly wouldn't want someone that bigoted and/or out of date, teaching my kids.
The bigot certainly needs re-education to say the least!
I suspect though that such efforts would be wasted upon them.

I'd like to think he could be "re-educated" or retrained in his means of thinking, same as a recovering gambler or alcoholic would and should be afforded the opportunity to recover.
In saying afforded,I mean the choice is there for them.

Nodin

MagicSean wrote: »

Disturbing in what way?

Aren't you being hypocritical? You seem happy enough to convict the principal without all the facts whereas I am saying we can't judge anyone.

We have a number of statements included in the report from the principal. The report is carried out by the ombudsman. Two things arise rather quickly to mind- either the principal deliberately portrayed his reasoning as following a line that was in fact unrepresentative of his position, or the Ombudsman - as you seemed to imply earlier* - has deliberatly skewed the findings of the report.

*"The Ombudsman released only the information she wanted. "
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=78426166&postcount=360

MagicSean wrote: »

Fantasy? What an odd choice of words. There is very little in the report at all to explain why she left the other schools.

.

You feel free to speculate around the reported correspondence of the principal, and state that there may be more other than what he himself stated. Yet when it comes to the child in question, you take the position that a lack of evidence gives you reason for various questions. 'Don't judge the principal on his own correspondence, do wildly speculate as regards a teenage girl'.

"fantasy" is rather a kind way of putting it.

I really do find it hard to see what could lie at the root of such a contradictory approach, and such malignant speculation towards one party.

Biggins

staker wrote: »

I'd like to think he could be "re-educated" or retrained in his means of thinking, same as a recovering gambler or alcoholic would and should be afforded the opportunity to recover.
In saying afforded,I mean the choice is there for them.

It would be nice to think it but as the person was the head of the school and (I assume) of such strong character and fortitude to eventually work his way to that position, re-education - frankly, making him kop himself on - would be hard work in the extreme!

eviltwin

The best outcome would be for this idiot to lose the strangle hold he has on the school...one person having all the control is nuts, I am amazed it hasn't been challenged before now.

And an apology to the girl, he not only refused her a place but more of less destroyed her character.

Robdude

Eh - I wouldn't want pregnant chicks at my school.

Biggins

Robdude wrote: »

Eh - I wouldn't want pregnant chicks at my school.

Why?
Would it put you off having too much sex as a teen?
Maybe there SHOULD be one at every school? :cool:

Nodin

Robdude wrote: »

Eh - I wouldn't want pregnant chicks at my school.

Why? Is it infectious now?

Abi

While I bite my tongue and agree she shouldn't have been refused, you have to agree it looks nasty. I remember a girl in my year became pregnant and everyone was talking about her, it was unheard of in the school before then. A school girl walking the corridors in her school uniform with a massive baby bump?

While it was admirable and brave of her to continue her education I think she was stronger than I'd have been, the constant gossip etc. it was her choice to continue, but as a parent I think I would have taken her out and get her to repeat the year after or something. I base this on what I saw her endure in a school that treated her like she had brought shame and scandal to the school.

I dunno. It just didn't look right.

Biggins

Abi wrote: »

...I dunno. It just didn't look right.

Thats where a good education and good educator can make a further difference then.
To look beyond just what you see and further understand the actual whole predicament.

eviltwin

Abi wrote: »

While I bite my tongue and agree she shouldn't have been refused, you have to agree it looks nasty. I remember a girl in my year became pregnant and everyone was talking about her, it was unheard of in the school before then. A school girl walking the corridors in her school uniform with a massive baby bump?

While it was admirable and brave of her to continue her education I think she was stronger than I'd have been, the constant gossip etc. it was her choice to continue, but as a parent I think I would have taken her out and get her to repeat the year after or something. I base this on what I saw her endure in a school that treated her like she had brought shame and scandal to the school.

I dunno. It just didn't look right.

One of the reasons given for her wanting to go to this school was that her friends went there. I guess she felt there was safety being around people she knew and trusted to stand by her.

MagicSean

dvpower wrote: »

Exactly. And you go an fill in the gaps with your fantastic ideas, based on nothing but your own predujices.

i haven't filled in any gaps nor do i have any prejudices in regard to this situation. As I've said, we don't know the full story so i don't think it's right to judge anyone.

Nodin wrote: »

We have a number of statements included in the report from the principal. The report is carried out by the ombudsman. Two things arise rather quickly to mind- either the principal deliberately portrayed his reasoning as following a line that was in fact unrepresentative of his position, or the Ombudsman - as you seemed to imply earlier* - has deliberatly skewed the findings of the report.

*"The Ombudsman released only the information she wanted. "
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=78426166&postcount=360

Either theory is entirely plausable given the lack of information supplied. The ombudsman released information that has easily led to the identities of the school and girl being established so why not just release the whole story?

Nodin wrote: »

You feel free to speculate around the reported correspondence of the principal, and state that there may be more other than what he himself stated. Yet when it comes to the child in question, you take the position that a lack of evidence gives you reason for various questions. 'Don't judge the principal on his own correspondence, do wildly speculate as regards a teenage girl'.

"fantasy" is rather a kind way of putting it.

I really do find it hard to see what could lie at the root of such a contradictory approach, and such malignant speculation towards one party.

There's no contradictory approach. It's very possible that the principal is a religious nut or mysoginist. What I've said quite a few times now is that there is not enough information and background given to make a fully informed opinion on either of them and it isn't right to make a judgement on the situation. I cannot see why this story was released to the public the way it was.

Abi

Abi wrote: »

While I bite my tongue and agree she shouldn't have been refused, you have to agree it looks nasty. I remember a girl in my year became pregnant and everyone was talking about her, it was unheard of in the school before then. A school girl walking the corridors in her school uniform with a massive baby bump?

While it was admirable and brave of her to continue her education I think she was stronger than I'd have been, the constant gossip etc. it was her choice to continue, but as a parent I think I would have taken her out and get her to repeat the year after or something. I base this on what I saw her endure in a school that treated her like she had brought shame and scandal to the school.

I dunno. It just didn't look right.

He wouldn't let her in even after the baby was born

Abi

Biggins wrote: »

Abi wrote: »

...I dunno. It just didn't look right.

Thats where a good education and good educator can make a further difference then.
To look beyond just what you see and further understand the actual whole predicament.

While I agree with you, try telling that to a school full of teenagers. Even if the principal bit their tongue, she's subject to gossip and bullying as soon as she starts showing. Have to admit, that can't be easy for a teen mother. Then having to study and sit exams in between it all?

hondasam

Abi wrote: »

.

I dunno. It just didn't look right.

Teenage pregnancy is never easy and if you let other people get to you then you are letting them win so to speak.
While I might want to protect my child the stubborn side of me would think no one is going to make her feel bad for wanting to go to school.
It's not uncommon now and most teachers are understanding of the situation. The case I know myself it was not the students who had a problem it was their parents who felt this girl was bringing the school down.

mr_edge_to_you

MagicMarker wrote: »

Old Tom wrote: »

They don't like it - they don't take her. It's freedom and democracy.
Whoever likes taking single mothers - open your own school and go ahead.

You spelled 'discrimination' wrong.

The word you're looking for is "spelt". I know it's a bit late but I couldn't resist.

Thrill

Abi wrote: »

While I agree with you, try telling that to a school full of teenagers. Even if the principal bit their tongue, she's subject to gossip and bullying as soon as she starts showing. Have to admit, that can't be easy for a teen mother. Then having to study and sit exams in between it all?

She has already had the baby.

paddyandy

We are becoming so broadminded these days we never seem to hold perimeters for any length of time until the lefties start to push them even further and then further until nothing is wrong anymore and we're told we're just not broadminded enough ..every time is'nt it ?

eviltwin

Abi wrote: »

While I agree with you, try telling that to a school full of teenagers. Even if the principal bit their tongue, she's subject to gossip and bullying as soon as she starts showing. Have to admit, that can't be easy for a teen mother. Then having to study and sit exams in between it all?

You get tossers like that outside school as well. I think teenagers deserve more credit than we give them. I don't think the majority would act like that. I know I never got any hassle when I was a teen parent, no one was ever nasty to me. Most of my peers were great actually it was their parents/grandparents who were horrible.

Abi

bluewolf wrote: »

He wouldn't let her in even after the baby was born

I agree that was uncalled for.

hondasam wrote: »

The case I know myself it was not the students who had a problem it was their parents who felt this girl was bringing the school down.

Well I was just using the case of what happened in my school. She was made a target of.

Abi

Thrill wrote: »

Abi wrote: »

While I agree with you, try telling that to a school full of teenagers. Even if the principal bit their tongue, she's subject to gossip and bullying as soon as she starts showing. Have to admit, that can't be easy for a teen mother. Then having to study and sit exams in between it all?

She has already had the baby.

I was generalising.

hondasam

Abi wrote: »

Well I was just using the case of what happened in my school. She was made a target of.

You know kids can be cruel. I dunno if you agree or not but the popularity of the girl makes a difference imo. If she has loads of friends it makes a difference to how others treat her.

Abi

eviltwin wrote: »

You get tossers like that outside school as well. I think teenagers deserve more credit than we give them. I don't think the majority would act like that. I know I never got any hassle when I was a teen parent, no one was ever nasty to me. Most of my peers were great actually it was their parents/grandparents who were horrible.

I understand what you mean about older people judging you. I'm just using the girl from my school as an example. I agree she should never have been refused an education, believe me. Just the girl from my year had a horrific time, is all I'm saying.

Abi

hondasam wrote: »

Abi wrote: »

Well I was just using the case of what happened in my school. She was made a target of.

You know kids can be cruel. I dunno if you agree or not but the popularity of the girl makes a difference imo. If she has loads of friends it makes a difference to how others treat her.

You know I thought about that too. The girl in question was a popular girl. Nothing was said until she started showing and the pregnancy became obvious. A couple of her good friends stuck by her, but it was like someone flicked a switch in terms of her popularity. They didn't want to be seen near her. It was fcuking awful for her.

El Weirdo

mr_edge_to_you wrote: »

The word you're looking for is "spelt". I know it's a bit late but I couldn't resist.

I'll ask you to have a quick look at this short thread:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056526338

Thanks.

Janedoe10

So punishment and denying her education is making an example of the girl . Our prisoners get better treatment .
Wonder if the same kid got pregnant as a result of rape would the school still prevent her from attending . In case that would cause disturbance too . I am not saying having kids so young is good or ideal but there is so much worse in the world that can happen ..