***Motors Chat Thread*** Round 1

Nissan doctor

I've killed a fox and a sheep:eek: Both at night. The fox destroyed the fiberglass bumper on my old corsa years ago.

Another time, also a good few years back, I came around a sweeping bend and there was a load a sheep sitting(literally) in the middle of the road....it was a sheep or ditch decision. Needed a new bumper and rad on the vectra I was driving:mad:

BUBBLE WRAP

Whats the story with that sorta thing. I heard that if you see an animal on the road, that you have to hit it, rather then dodging it and risk a crash?

Gary ITR

I came around a corner one night, fairly hot and was confronted by a cow... managed to brake in time. IIRC Quazzie trapped 2 birds on ATWR last year

Nissan doctor

BUBBLE WRAP wrote: »

Whats the story with that sorta thing. I heard that if you see an animal on the road, that you have to hit it, rather then dodging it and risk a crash?

I don't know what the legal stance is but common sense is more at play in that situation, If road size/traffic/conditions etc allowed, I'd have tried to avoid them.

Like here recently: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1e6q9b2TeU&list=UUf2FXl96khtO_Jl43BrAzuA&index=4&feature=plcp

ShadowHearth

I was looking for some info on wrx and ended up on YouTube watching people drive on nurburgring.

How the hell it works in there?! I sow Astra van and some minivan on it in the middle of porches and m3s etc. is it something like: you pay go in, do that lap and go of it? Everyone is allowed etc?

BUBBLE WRAP

Nissan doctor wrote: »

I don't know what the legal stance is but common sense is more at play in that situation, If road size/traffic/conditions etc allowed, I'd have tried to avoid them.

Like here recently: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1e6q9b2TeU&list=UUf2FXl96khtO_Jl43BrAzuA&index=4&feature=plcp

Ah ya I know what you mean, Id be the same. But I wouldent put another persons life at risk, for the sake of someone pet cat/dog or a fox or bird just to get a secound chance at life.

Voodoomelon

ShadowHearth wrote: »

I was looking for some info on wrx and ended up on YouTube watching people drive on nurburgring.

How the hell it works in there?! I sow Astra van and some minivan on it in the middle of porches and m3s etc. is it something like: you pay go in, do that lap and go of it? Everyone is allowed etc?

Yup, they do days when anyone can drive round in anything.

fasttalkerchat

BUBBLE WRAP wrote: »

Whats the story with that sorta thing. I heard that if you see an animal on the road, that you have to hit it, rather then dodging it and risk a crash?

Deer you should swerve for, but not if a child is on the other side of the road. Cats and smaller you can drive on. Dogs you should stop and (I think) report it.

BUBBLE WRAP

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

Deer you should swerve for, but not if a child is on the other side of the road. Cats and smaller you can drive on. Dogs you should stop and (I think) report it.

Ah right cheers. Its just something I never knew. But when you think about it, Its something you really should know. You never know when an animal desides to run out in front of you.

dar83

RoverJames wrote: »

Thank feck for ABS, just narrowly avoided knocking down a young cat, silly thing eye balled me instead of moving, was doing 30mph and had to slam on and was able to steer around the thing to avoid it, it moved eventually but if I had stayed going straight on I thing 'twould have been squashed, wouldn't like to knock it down. Have only killed a pigeon so far in 12 years driving.

Twas only a cat. Drive on! :pac:

BUBBLE WRAP

dar83 wrote: »

Twas only a cat. Drive on! :pac:

The things you come out with.

Mycroft H

I like my animals too much. I have been known to move a stunned baby rabbit from the center of a road at night back into the safety of the hedge.

I will move out the way for cats and dogs if the conditions allow. Cant see a reason not to.

Ardennes1944

MetzgerMeister wrote: »

Was that when you were on the way back from a concert or something?

Sure was boss, tennants vital in belfast. You can imagine how i thought my car was ****ed like! I was lucky

ottostreet

So Fiona, while having fun heading northbound on the M50 today (Saturday), did you fail to notice the red Alfa Spider with two lads waving at you?

pred racer

BX 19 wrote: »

I like my animals too much. I have been known to move a stunned baby rabbit from the center of a road at night back into the safety of the hedge.

I will move out the way for cats and dogs if the conditions allow. Cant see a reason not to.

I move rabbits from the fields into a pot with carrots, onions, pearl barley and spuds

Fiona

ottostreet wrote: »

So Fiona, while having fun heading northbound on the M50 today (Saturday), did you fail to notice the red Alfa Spider with two lads waving at you?

Yeah i did see ya wave alright and thought who are those two holding up traffic on the inside lane

ShadowHearth

ottostreet wrote: »

So Fiona, while having fun heading northbound on the M50 today (Saturday), did you fail to notice the red Alfa Spider with two lads waving at you?

2 grown man in red roadster weaving.... I would ignore that too!

dar83

A little reading for Shadowhearth...

Only had a st two days and love not missing the astra one bit.it is just so much easier to drive and comfy when cruising on motorways or flying around the back roads. the astra was such hard work almost a tiring drive when driving at pace,constantly having to grab the wheel when coming out a bend with the torque steer and the remus exhaust constantly shouting down your ear no matter what speed. The st is the faclift model and has the standard xenons and sony headunit etc,its just generally a nicer place to be.even with the astra having the heated leather seats i didnt like them at all,much prefer the cloth recaros.The noise the st makes is just addictive,even with a standard exhaust apart from a mongoose down pipe u still a wee pop now and again.The focus has constant power there the astra was almost diesel like in the power,had to be in the correct gear and revs to go,but the focus is any gear any revs ur away.Even though its a 5 door focus i love it in white with the anthricite wheels.
The astra was constantly giving me issues with turbo stall in 4th gear etc and even though it was good at the time defo should have bought an st first time round and not sad to see it go.
Id rather push a ford than drive a vauxhall from now on haha

BUBBLE WRAP

dar83 wrote: »

A little reading for Shadowhearth...

Sourse?

Jarren

http://www.focusstoc.com/forums/topic/110240-comparisob-between-my-st-and-old-astra-vxr-nurburghring/

dar83

Wasn't sure if it was subscriber only viewing so didn't provide it, cheers Jarren.

ShadowHearth

to be honest I am so confused and pissed off and I don't know wtf I want anymore. I got Astra on hold as more I read about, worse it gets. Plus it's even worse on mpg then wrx. I am not going for st too as its not 2.5, it is going over it so it goes in to "hardcore" tax band. I am trying to cut the costs not make them bigger. Mazda mps is still on the books though.

BUBBLE WRAP

dar83 wrote: »

Wasn't sure if it was subscriber only viewing so didn't provide it, cheers Jarren.

I see, so a Ford ST is the way forward for SH.

dar83

BUBBLE WRAP wrote: »

I see, so a Ford ST is the way forward for SH.

Not particularly, but I thought it was useful for him to see what someone who owned both had to say about them.
Last I saw he was leaning more towards the 3MPS anyway...

Edit: and I see he has just said the same above.

BUBBLE WRAP

dar83 wrote: »

Not particularly, but I thought it was useful for him to see what someone who owned both had to say about them.
Last I saw he was leaning more towards the 3MPS anyway...

Edit: and I see he has just said the same above.

Aww, I see.

ShadowHearth

dar83 wrote: »

Not particularly, but I thought it was useful for him to see what someone who owned both had to say about them.
Last I saw he was leaning more towards the 3MPS anyway...

Edit: and I see he has just said the same above.

it was so easy when i was looking for skyline.... now when i am looking for "something" it is the worst thing ever. tax is out on ford this month too. so i need to decide if itax it again and taking my time looking for car or find it before tax ends. its annoying that you cant renew tax only for 1 month online.

so far whats left on list:

mazda 3 mps
subaru wrx/sti standart
skoda RS ( petrol ) - maybe
astra opc - more i learn, less i want.
golf gti mk5 - if i can find one clean and leather seats/manual. those cloth golf1 style seats are just horrible.

dar83

ShadowHearth wrote: »

to be honest I am so confused and pissed off and I don't know wtf I want anymore. I got Astra on hold as more I read about, worse it gets. Plus it's even worse on mpg then wrx. I am not going for st too as its not 2.5, it is going over it so it goes in to "hardcore" tax band. I am trying to cut the costs not make them bigger. Mazda mps is still on the books though.

I would be interested to know if there is any difference in the insurance cost per year that might make up for the ST being in a slightly higher tax band. The ST doesn't have a very high loading here, and although it's not cheap, you may find the Mazda does have a higher loading and you'd end up paying the same overall anyway.

Have you looked into the insurance costs at all for all the cars you're interested in?

MetzgerMeister

dar83 wrote: »

I would be interested to know if there is any difference in the insurance cost per year that might make up for the ST being in a slightly higher tax band. The ST doesn't have a very high loading here, and although it's not cheap, you may find the Mazda does have a higher loading and you'd end up paying the same overall anyway.

Have you looked into the insurance costs at all for all the cars you're interested in?

The Mazda would be a lot less for him to insure

dar83

MetzgerMeister wrote: »

The Mazda would be a lot less for him to insure

Sounds like you've worked out a scam... How may I subscribe to your newsletter?!

MetzgerMeister

dar83 wrote: »

Sounds like you've worked out a scam... How may I subscribe to your newsletter?!

I'm just saying it so he'll get the Mazda and playing devil's advocate to your ST-pushing!

On a serious note though, if the 3MPS is anything like the 6MPS in terms of popularity, there's very few on the roads and quite a few less than the ST. I think this would make the 3 better on insurance. That's how it worked for me anyway.

Oh and please let's not have this turn into a "Buy an M3 and spend all the money you saved on tax" thing :pac:

dar83

Ah im not pushing the ST, my agenda is far more anti Opel/Vauxhall! Haha

I know he won't buy the real man's engined car anyway, so why bother trying? :P

(I kid, apart from the Opel bit, that was genuine)

MetzgerMeister

dar83 wrote: »

Ah im not pushing the ST, my agenda is far more anti Opel/Vauxhall! Haha

I know he won't buy the real man's engined car anyway, so why bother trying? :P

(I kid, apart from the Opel bit, that was genuine)

Oooohhh what's wrong with Opel/Vauxhall?

BUBBLE WRAP

MetzgerMeister wrote: »

Oooohhh what's wrong with Opel/Vauxhall?

Oh dear, this will end in tears...

dar83

MetzgerMeister wrote: »

Oooohhh what's wrong with Opel/Vauxhall?

Just a dislike of mine. Always have been to be honest. Apart from the quirkiness of the VXR220 and possibly the Manta, I don't think I've ever liked the look of any other Opel/Vauxhall. Just one of those things. :P

MetzgerMeister

BUBBLE WRAP wrote: »

Oh dear, this will end in tears...

Yeah, for Ardennes! I'm only asking dar a question

dar83 wrote: »

Just a dislike of mine. Always have been to be honest. Apart from the quirkiness of the VXR220 and possibly the Manta, I don't think I've ever liked the look of any other Opel/Vauxhall. Just one of those things. :P

I see but you have to admit that Ardennes's Astra is nice!

Fiona

Happiness is discovering that the hose out the back garden on it's super duper fancy reel thingy does in fact stretch out to the front garden.

Ah it's the little things in life

BUBBLE WRAP

MetzgerMeister wrote: »

Yeah, for Ardennes! I'm only asking dar a question

Oh ya I know that, That was exacly who I was reffering too aswell.

MetzgerMeister wrote: »

I see but you have to admit that Ardennes's Astra is nice!

:pac:

BUBBLE WRAP

Fiona wrote: »

Happiness is discovering that the hose out the back garden on it's super duper fancy reel thingy does in fact stretch out to the front garden.

Ah it's the little things in life

That was funny. :pac:

dar83

MetzgerMeister wrote: »

I see but you have to admit that Ardennes's Astra is nice!

I've not seen it in person, so I can't comment on it exactly. It does look decent from the pics though.

The shape of them though, I just dont like. It's nothing personal to anyone. If it makes anyone feel any better, I'm not too keen on most Ford's either.

Jimbob 83

Hmm some food for thought regarding my viewing over the next week or 2.

Don't know how much i can try haggling this one down, no DSG is a minus

http://www.autotrader.ie/search/Volkswagen/Golf/2.0-GTI-/6213354351646660/advert?channel=CARS



Nice car overall + DSG and brown leather no 18 inch wheels though, unsure about the garages rep.

http://www.autotrader.ie/search/Volkswagen/Golf/2.0-GTI-/5913342400365150/advert?channel=CARS



Abit skangarish but might be worth a look if in the bog shmoke again garage rep and alot of haggling would be 2 downsides and no DSG

http://www.autotrader.ie/search/Volkswagen/Golf/2.0-GTI-/1613275825323470/advert?channel=CARS



Big shmoke area probably worth a quick look, might look better in person

http://www.autotrader.ie/search/Volkswagen/Golf/GTI-%28LOW/6313352125397170/advert?channel=CARS



Not the best colour and fairly high milage probably worth an evening travelling to look at

http://www.autotrader.ie/search/Volkswagen/Golf/GTI-2.0-/201219208149555/advert?channel=CARS



Then a couple of dark horses that seem to be nicely priced.

http://www.autotrader.ie/search/Volkswagen/Golf/2.0-GTI-/6613365863252960/advert?channel=CARS



http://www.autotrader.ie/search/Volkswagen/Golf/2.0T-GTI/201219208171159/advert?channel=CARS



Last one already has(had) VRT duty paid on it (i think)

Oh dear i really need to narrow this list down abit as i don't think my mechanic friend can come with me to view all of these

tl;dr im crap at making decisions

dar83

I wouldn't think about reducing the list. I would just go and look at them all yourself first, weed out the ones that don't match the ads etc... Get a feel for the genuine ones and then go back with your mechanic to the refined short list of the ones you are then properly interested in.

Jimbob 83

dar83 wrote: »

I wouldn't think about reducing the list. I would just go and look at them all yourself first, weed out the ones that don't match the ads etc... Get a feel for the genuine ones and then go back with your mechanic to the refined short list of the ones you are then properly interested in.

Might wear this when viewing for the laugh

ShadowHearth

Don't understand me wrong. I have no hate against ford, it's just if I need to pay 8k for car and them enjoy 1.1k++ eu on tax, then I might aswel buy r34 skyline gtt and pay less tax and have more car for less money with same mpg. Insurance won't be that different. I payed 1.1k on my last skyline back then.

Even mps is a stretch, but for around 7k I could pick up a very low millage 4 door stealth weapon, which is very rare.

I am so sad to miss on that r32 on dtdirl, it was perfect for what I wanted. Though it was gone in less then few hours after it going for sale.

Jimbob 83

I thought about a 2.5 ST and MPS 6 but i just couldn't afford the extra running costs really, remapped GTI would be a cheaper car day to day.

dar83

Hey you don't need to justify your spending to anyone (well maybe the other half :P ).

The tax is something a lot of people get hung upon and if it's too much for your spend then so be it.
Your insurance was quite high on the Skyline, I'd imagine the MPS to be a good bit less than that. My renewal that I'm going to go ahead with this week is €626 fully comp on the ST, that's with 4 years NCB. So you could be saving a fair bit on insurance anyway! Worth checking it out if you haven't already.

ShadowHearth

dar83 wrote: »

Hey you don't need to justify your spending to anyone (well maybe the other half :P ).

The tax is something a lot of people get hung upon and if it's too much for your spend then so be it.
Your insurance was quite high on the Skyline, I'd imagine the MPS to be a good bit less than that. My renewal that I'm going to go ahead with this week is €626 fully comp on the ST, that's with 4 years NCB. So you could be saving a fair bit on insurance anyway! Worth checking it out if you haven't already.

well i have a budget limit and i dont want to blow over it. i am 26 with 5 ncb, so i am not worried much about insurance as long as its under/around 1k.

hows st on mpg? will it fit into 25mpg under normal driving?

dar83

Jimbob 83 wrote: »

I thought about a 2.5 ST and MPS 6 but i just couldn't afford the extra running costs really, remapped GTI would be a cheaper car day to day.

Yeah, to be honest if you're looking for any sort of sensible economy, then the ST ain't it! It's a thirsty fecker and if I was doing more than the ~300km a week I must do, I'd have to start thinking about my recreational weekend usage more.
The 6MPS Metzger might be able to enlighten us on a little on the economy but I'd imagine it's none too wonderful either.

Edit: on my last direct reading from the ECU it said I was getting 22.6mpg. At present the readout is that I'm using 11.8L/100km, but that's down to a couple of things that aren't helping, mainly my playing with it in 3rd to hear the growl and then 4th to hear the blowoff on throttle release. :P oh and the fact I had the battery unhooked recently and it's still working its way down from being reset.
I'd realistically expect about 23-24mpg for city/town and up to 30mpg for motorway.

Jimbob 83

Yea for me GTI is the perfect comprimise 660 tax 590 insurance @ 29 with 5 years ncb and thats including 50 euros full NC protection + 30-35mpg being achievable helps

Anyways off to work to earn some beans

ShadowHearth

*started to look in to evo 7 and 8 standart.



*hides under the pillows from all the abuse.

ronanc15

ShadowHearth wrote: »

*started to look in to evo 7 and 8 standart.



*hides under the pillows from all the abuse.

Love them


Finally did a deal on a car, abandoned the audis and went for a 04 e46 320d - Le Mans Blue, Msport, Individual. Just waiting for it to be vrt'd and nct'd