Mosney possibly re-opening

J.Ball

Theres a big campaign going on to get mosney back that seem's to be kicking off today. I don't know very much about it yet but apparantly the lease is up for the refugees in june.

What would you guy's think of having it back? . I'm just old enough to have gone before it shut down and have a few fond memories.

kfallon

In before Biggins

LeinsterDub

Awful kip, we are all better off it's closed

Lord TSC

YES! YES! YES!

davet82

will the refugees be working there?

Benny-c

Time to get the Liveline involved!! i.e. Talk to Joe

FatherLen

mosnia

Banditoo

Went to a rave at Mosney back in the 90's and got robbed. Can i blame it on the roma?

charlietheminxx

Ireland needs some class of a theme park. They could really work on making Mosney something more than it used to be....... Could also be a good one for providing jobs.

mikemac1

It's no Leisureland, Salthill

davet82

i prefer funderland, as it fcuks off after awhile

eviltwin

Could be a goer....I remember the original Mosney, it was a terrible kip but we have come a long way since then. I think with the right people behind it, it could be a huge success.

J.Ball

Here's a link to there facebook page. They seem to be trying to start a petition there http://www.facebook.com/ButlinsMosney

Dancor

My memories include bandaids and dead flys in the swimming pool and people mooning you as you went past the swimming pool that had glass instead of walls.

candy-gal1

Oh my god, i would love is this reopens!!! im so there if it does!
Many a happy summertime spent there back in the day, think the last time i was there i was about 12 so it would be as nostalgic as anything!

Just hope they dont change everything around, leave it all arranged the same and it would awesome to head there again!

J.Ball

Just looked at some of the photos only just taken a while ago. Everythings still there even the furniture. I say it would just take a bit of cleaning and a few safety checks to get the place going again.

I am Bugs

Why did no reporter (Undercover) get to evaluate the place over the last number of years?

If anybody ever got hold of the internal workings of our asylum system in Mosney on video, now that would be headline news.

3 pubs concert hall, 20 snooker tables etc. etc.

Always wondered what went on "behind the wire" at Mosney.

Never seen any of the inmates complaining, except that is when they tried to remove them from their sub-standard abode!!!

Sorry for meandering just being nosey I guess.

Well it once was the only holiday camp in Ireland, then the Celtic Tiger showed its head and if I remember right the owner received a "Mint" for the lease of the premises. Everybody wins.

Mr Simpson

It didnt seem safe when it opened, I imagine 12 years of being idle hasnt helped!! We need a proper theme park, not the shite attempt that was mosney

super_furry

I dunno. I was 10 last time I was there. I might not be able to get away with flashing people having their dinner in the restaurant via the glass part of the pool anymore.

Biggins

I am Bugs wrote: »

Why did no reporter (Undercover) get to evaluate the place over the last number of years?

If anybody ever got hold of the internal workings of our asylum system in Mosney on video, now that would be headline news.

3 pubs concert hall, 20 snooker tables etc. etc.

Always wondered what went on "behind the wire" at Mosney.

Never seen any of the inmates complaining, except that is when they tried to remove them from their sub-standard abode!!!

Sorry for meandering just being nosey I guess.

Well it once was the only holiday camp in Ireland, then the Celtic Tiger showed its head and if I remember right the owner received a "Mint" for the lease of the premises. Everybody wins.

First of all, there was a good number of journalists all over the place doing reports - constantly.
There was even a documentary made about the place - one when it was a camp and other when it was a place for refugees.

Their accommodation WAS NOT sub-standard - all the accommodation were fresh built and the old chalets were knocked down prior to this.
They had the best of everything they wanted. That included everything from buggies to clothes to food.
The food that they ate was the VERY SAME food that the staff ate.

My father worked (just retired) on the site for over 16 years and I have been in it many times since.
(I worked in it as a teen for a few seasons also, many, many years ago.)

Duckworth_Luas

davet82 wrote: »

will the refugees be working there?

No, it will be public sector workers as they are the only people around with experience of working in holiday camps!

Biggins

If anyone is interested, I supplied MANY items from Mosney in this thread here to view: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055957929

kitty9

i went there for the community games in 2002 when i was 12 for a table quiz.

got my first **** from a girl that day

good times

RobbingBandit

What is the new fun fair ride, dig a mass grave Slobadan style. Kids get to sit on out of work Santa's dressed as Radovan Karadžić,sounds fun to me.

Sir Gallagher

I was more of a Butlins in Wales kid, Mosney was beneath me frankly. I went one year and i found the place to be truly abhorrent.

johnwest288

ah the memories,
The coke slide........
the big red mushrooms......
cutting me guther on the slides
first time i fingered a girl was behind shalet 7b .....
Then there was the time my mate crapped in the pool beside the underwater window that looked into the chipper

Bring baCK MOSNEYYYYYYYYY

ejmaztec

Never visited Mosney, but I've heard stories:eek:

JayzuzHowiye

It looks like a concentration camp in the 2010 video on youtube.

link_2007

kitty9 wrote: »

i went there for the community games in 2002 when i was 12 for a table quiz.

got my first **** from a girl that day

good times

You'd had a few from boys prior to this?

foxyboxer

Mosney 2012: Experience the mind numbing boredom your parents had to go through when you were kids.

Brendog

Dancor wrote: »

My memories include bandaids and dead flys in the swimming pool and people mooning you as you went past the swimming pool that had glass instead of walls.

Also a beehive in every bin.

I am Bugs

Thanks Biggins, BTW as regards accomodation I know it was not sub standard, tongue in cheek;)

Was Ronan Keating a red at Mosney. I heard a rumour he was.

roast

I'd fuckin' love to go there again, was there two or three times as a kid. Awesome!
Probably just nostalgia though.

Biggins

I am Bugs wrote: »

...Was Ronan Keating a red at Mosney. I heard a rumour he was.

No.

IrishAm

Biggins wrote: »

They had the best of everything they wanted. That included everything from buggies to clothes to food.

Can you prove this?

Biggins

IrishAm wrote: »

Can you prove this?

To whom? You? Why you?

Can you prove they didn't get good items?

Can you prove that I'm a lair (I'm not) ?

As I have stated, I have been to the place many, many times, sat and ate in the place up to this year. I've been all over the place and supplied many photographs and material on the place in a previous linked thread (if you even bothered to look!). I have witnessed and spoke to the people there many times, seeing up close at EXACTLY what was handed out care of the state.

If you still think I'm lying - that I am talking out my ass, go prove then that I am lying!

IrishAm

Biggins wrote: »

To whom? You? Why you?

Can you prove they didn't get good items?

Can you prove that I'm a lair (I'm not) ?

As I have stated, I have been to the place many, many times, sat and ate in the place up to this year. I've been all over the place and supplied many photographs and material on the place in a previous linked thread (if you even bothered to look!). I have witnessed and spoke to the people there many times, seeing up close at EXACTLY what was handed out care of the state.

If you still think I'm lying - that I am talking out my ass, go prove then that I am lying!

Not at all, bud. I wasnt calling you a liar. Its just Ive heard these claims before but was never offered any tangible proof to back them up.

I didnt mean to offend, just curious, is all.

Biggins

IrishAm wrote: »

Not at all, bud. I wasnt calling you a liar. Its just Ive heard these claims before but was never offered any tangible proof to back them up.

I didnt mean to offend, just curious, is all.

Fair enough, I apologise for coming on strong.
I get this all the time from idiots in my home town who don't think realistic about the situation.
The state as it goes, does not purchase second-hand goods to hand out to refugees, especially in the area of buggies (for safety reasons relating to mechanics and liability issues) and/or other items from electrical heaters to cookers and fridges.
(Because of EU laws pertaining to "White Goods" (electrical) its illegal to do so)
Everything is bought brand new.

If those staying in the place didn't get the new genuine thing passed to them upon request of an item, they were either given vouchers or small amounts of money towards outside purchase of items (which also allowed them to further pick and choose their own wanted items). Items usually bought in Drogheda more often than not, Dublin sometimes, by themselves according to their own choice.
Those staying there could also at ANY time, come and go as they please. All day or in the night.

The likes of the main pool was closed off for safety reasons, as was the area underneath (Dan Lowerys).
As regards the whole camp, there was always wire or fencing around it. This was for the security of the camp in general and the previous holiday visitors staying there.
Since the camp became a place for refugees, very little has changed as regards wiring.
Those that say it is like to a concentration camp, might get that impression by the wise surrounding the camp - but that has been always there from its very beginning.

IrishAm

Biggins wrote: »

Fair enough, I apologise for coming on strong.
I get this all the time from idiots in my home town who don't think realistic about the situation.
The state as it goes, does not purchase second-hand goods to hand out to refugees, especially in the area of buggies (for safety reasons relating to mechanics and liability issues) and/or other items from electrical heaters to cookers and fridges.
(Because of EU laws pertaining to "White Goods" (electrical) its illegal to do so)
Everything is bought brand new.

If those staying in the place didn't get the new genuine thing passed to them upon request of an item, they were either given vouchers or small amounts of money towards outside purchase of items (which also allowed them to further pick and choose their own wanted items). Items usually bought in Drogheda more often than not, Dublin sometimes, by themselves according to their own choice.
Those staying there could also at ANY time, come and go as they please. All day or in the night.

Thanks for that.

Who sanctioned the purchases and what state body provided the expenditure?

Would they ever sanction the purchase of a car for a family?

Biggins

IrishAm wrote: »

Thanks for that.
Who sanctioned the purchases and what state body provided the expenditure?
Would they ever sanction the purchase of a car for a family?

The place is owned & by staff hired (and fired) by a Mr McCloskey and his wife - though he is rarely there, his general manager (Pat McKenna) usually has the day to day reins.
As regards who decides who gets what if they make a request, that decision is passed on to state civil servants and they adjudicate upon each case.

You will find a lot of info on this and Mosney history in the (already mentioned) thread: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055957929

Now as regards this car stuff, I can honestly say and so can my father, that no one that is in the place as a refugee, gets a car given to them.
I have never seen it happen nor heard of anyone (even after talking to many up there staying in the place) getting one, either direct or by money given to them supposedly by the state.
Certain daft rumours float about Drogheda and Louth at times of this nature.
A number of people that have left the place in time and moved on, have bought second-hand cars but how they came out raising the revenue to do this I cannot say.
I assume they either have been saving any standard weekly living money awarded by the state and/or having landed in our country have also brought with them some small cash amounts too.

IrishAm

Thanks for that, Biggins.

I dare say Mr McCloskey made quite a few shillings out of this arrangement with the state.

Snowie

just saying.......

The Space round off!

Biggins

Just as a follow-up.

I've no idea no what they are going to do with the place.
I cannot see it opening up again as a holiday camp as such (though I could be wrong) given our current economic climate - and I can't see it being turned into a standard house estate.
There are enough homes in the Louth area alone that are not selling!

Years ago, Mr McCloskey applied for planning permission for a attached piece of land and that was next to the camp. This application and other subsequent attempts were all rejected.
However - and this is not confirmed - he might have eventually got the planning permission he sought after he agreed to turn over the camp for a while by leasing it, to the state.
What will happen to it now I do not know but I do know that for some time now, they have been making serious efforts to move all those in it, outward to other localities around Ireland.
...And some didn't actually want to go, leave the camp!

EdenHazard

Can't have been worse than that place in Cork could it?

I was there once, just moved to Ireland so can't remember much but it was just horrible. The pool and all ughhhhhh

It was like the caravan club in the inbetweeners on steroids

Biggins

IrishAm wrote: »

Thanks for that, Biggins.

I dare say Mr McCloskey made quite a few shillings out of this arrangement with the state.

The charge for the lease at one stage was around 6 to 8 million per year, which was paid by the state to the McCloskeys.

IrishAm

This article verifies your claims, Biggins.

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/sex-and-drugs-for-sale-at-mosney-477063.html



They also receive clothing allowances and other payments which are funded by the local health board.

Of the 11 families I interviewed at the camp, all had a baby under 12 months of age and most made it clear that their youngest child was an Irish citizen.

The day the mothers leave the hospital, they collect top-of-the-range buggies, child seats and other equipment needed for a new born baby.

Biggins

IrishAm wrote: »

This article verifies your claims, Biggins.

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/sex-and-drugs-for-sale-at-mosney-477063.html



They also receive clothing allowances and other payments which are funded by the local health board.

Of the 11 families I interviewed at the camp, all had a baby under 12 months of age and most made it clear that their youngest child was an Irish citizen.

The day the mothers leave the hospital, they collect top-of-the-range buggies, child seats and other equipment needed for a new born baby.

Thanks. Much appreciated.

frag420

Banditoo wrote: »

Went to a rave at Mosney back in the 90's and got robbed. Can i blame it on the roma?

Blame it on the boogie!!

Anyone

Push the place into the sea.

John Doe1

ah mosney where when I was 10, i for some inexplicable reason said to people i was from monaghan and affected a leprechaun accent. I was weird.:o

KittyeeTrix

I went there every summer from the age of about 4 to 15 in the late 70's and 80's back in the days before holidays to Spain were the norm for most Irish families..............:D

Absolutely loved the place and was so annoyed that I couldn't even take my own kids there on a day-trip when they shut it up and turned it into a refugee camp:(

I'd love to be able to take my younger ones there at some point and bore the backsides off them with all the stories of the place.....

I know they'd love the pool and looking inwards at it from the street. I could only imagine the faces on them when they get mooned:p