Aliens .......?

Capt'n Midnight

Cokeistan wrote: »

There's definitely life out there, I just don't think we'll discover it for hundreds of years. It's a shame, I'd like to be in the generation that discovers any form of alien life on another planet.

Unless we have something to sell them our economic system will collapse.

Think about it patents and industrial process become worthless as the aliens are bound to have better stuff. People will be too worried about the future to invest in stuff.

nozzferrahhtoo

Given the success and fetish there has been for "Alien Porn" one can probably expect inter species prostitution to be one of the first viable industries of trade. If one imagines that such an alien species is as prone to fetish as we are one can probably assume some of them would want their own sexual organs manipulated in pleasurable ways in much the same way as some of our species might find themselves seeking such outlets.

Morbidly enough I am not even sure myself how firmly my tongue is pressed to my cheek as I write this.

i57dwun4yb1pt8

Pushtrak wrote: »

it Hell, if the reset button was pressed on this planet, and some event that drastically changed things here hasn't happened, say the extinction of the dinosaurs hadn't happened, or any number of other things, life on this planet would look nothing like it does now. view

agreed ,
youd have upright walking intelligent Dinosaurs , like Alice Cooper or ..
hey wait a minute ....

cartell_best

We watch the news everyday and we see nothing but violence, war, basically bad news being transmitted through satelites etc... (granted there are some good things being sent out on the air waves but I think even in "ET" terms they probably just notice the bad).

When we see whats going on in war torn countries and basically people kicking the shoite out of each other and its being beamed around the planet, we don't (well, I don't) want to visit these places. Aliens? if they're seeing a planet that seems to dwell on destruction, do you wonder why they haven't knocked on our door yet? If I'm going out on the pisss and going from pub to pub and just come to one particular pub and from what it seems outside that everyone is just kicking the crap out of each other, would I go in???? nope! thats just me, each to their own though...

wendell borton

If the universe is infinite then any thing is possible.

Capt'n Midnight

wendell borton wrote: »

If the universe is infinite then any thing is possible.

That's like saying all literature is non-fiction because in an infinite universe everything has happened.


Problem is that the speed of light is finite, which means there is an event horizon that we can't see past. So the universe is for all intents and purposes finite.



We are still on course to be the first civilisation to populate our galaxy.
Voyager 1 will travel the distance to a star in 42,000 years
and stars move too,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nearest_stars#Future_and_past
we could send generation ships when stars get closer, could gravity sling shot too https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wait_Calculation will tell you when to leave

Taking a journey to Barnard's Star, six light years away, as an example, Kennedy shows that with a world mean annual economic growth rate of 1.4% and a corresponding growth in the velocity of travel, the quickest human civilization might get to the star is in 1,110 years from the year 2007.

But you have to take into account that Barnard's Star will be a little closer by then - it will only be 3.74 light years away in 9,800 years time.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Longshot 100 years to the nearest star using existing technology

ToddyDoody

One thinker thinks that other life is statistically a certainty.. But that we'll never be able to prove it in reality as the universe is so vaste. This thinker thinks that thinker is a tinker who shouldnt tinker.

LH Pathe

wendell borton wrote: »

If the universe is infinite then any thing is possible.

and if the universe is finite then anything is impossible?

..and yet i'm discontent with only half a glass. tehyre taxing my brain, now!!

Sindri

As a species, it's more likely that we are ourselves would be the extra terrestrials.

LH Pathe

They're farming our asses. directing our thoughts. processing our.. procedures. You didn't wanna do that; they made you think you had to

J. Marston

The Universe goes on and on and on but we're the only living beings that are known of. There has to be life out there deep in space.

Blows your mind when you really think about it.

NakedNNettles

Solar apocalpse will eventually wipe us out, that'll be that then, no more intelligent life in this universe.

Wibbs

NakedNNettles wrote: »

Solar apocalpse will eventually wipe us out, that'll be that then, no more intelligent life in this universe.

Yea in a couple of billion years time. If we or our descendants are around at that stage we will have long prepared for it. However the earths end time is a lot closer than that. More like 500-700 million years. It might be even closer. Extinction level events are remarkably common. Well.... every few million years anyway. An ice age is possible which would really fcuk us up and one is overdue, though our global warming activities likely stopped it. Not just today either. Our burning of wood going back to the beginnings of farming probably had the biggest effect until the last two centuries. A supervolcano would throw us into the dark ages for a while. Big meteorite strike? Game over time.

The fact is as a species we need to get off this world. Mars the most obvious and suitable. Colonies massively increase our survival chances and promote growth. Neil Armstrong spoke English on the moon, not because he was English, but because the English and others set up a colony back in the day.

Teyla Emmagan

I don't believe we could possibly be the only life in this universe, whether intelligent or not.

I really don't give a rats though.

Mickey H

Fox Mulder said they exist.

TPD

Wibbs wrote: »

Yea in a couple of billion years time. If we or our descendants are around at that stage we will have long prepared for it. However the earths end time is a lot closer than that. More like 500-700 million years. It might be even closer. Extinction level events are remarkably common. Well.... every few million years anyway. An ice age is possible which would really fcuk us up and one is overdue, though our global warming activities likely stopped it. Not just today either. Our burning of wood going back to the beginnings of farming probably had the biggest effect until the last two centuries. A supervolcano would throw us into the dark ages for a while. Big meteorite strike? Game over time.

The fact is as a species we need to get off this world. Mars the most obvious and suitable. Colonies massively increase our survival chances and promote growth. Neil Armstrong spoke English on the moon, not because he was English, but because the English and others set up a colony back in the day.

Any planet based colonisation will succumb to the same fate eventually. The only real long term plan is to build roaming death star super colonies, harvesting resources from star systems it passes, continually growing and upgrading and expanding to keep in line with population growth.

NakedNNettles

TPD wrote: »

harvesting resources from star systems it passes, continually growing and upgrading and expanding to keep in line with population growth.

I think I saw that in a film once or maybe it was 'V'...the one with the humans in lizard costumes.

TPD

Actually, how badass would a spaceship which uses stars for fuel be?

Shryke

I'm of a firm mind that there is. Where that life is, how much of it there is and how advanced it is is anyone's guess. Different models have been made by some very smart people but the results of these models are wildly different. We just don't know and as the universe goes and what is in it we really are completely ignorant.

If there were alien life there's no reason it would be like us. The organism will adapt to whatever environment it lives in. On a different earth like world there would be no reason for a humanoid shape to reappear as it's apparently pretty successful but it's not the most successful and we're not around that long.
Crocodiles, sharks, cockroaches. These and others are the real champions of organic life on earth. That an organism closer to one of those species in resemblance might well gain an edge in intelligence is in no way far fetched.

As for death star super colonies harvesting resources I think that's putting too much of an Independence Day twist on things. We'll need raw materials but there's no reason to make us sound like tyrannical ravagers. Not that we wouldn't be either but lets try to put a nice spin on it.

forfuxsake

Wibbs wrote: »

Yea in a couple of billion years time. If we or our descendants are around at that stage we will have long prepared for it. However the earths end time is a lot closer than that. More like 500-700 million years. It might be even closer. Extinction level events are remarkably common. Well.... every few million years anyway. An ice age is possible which would really fcuk us up and one is overdue, though our global warming activities likely stopped it. Not just today either. Our burning of wood going back to the beginnings of farming probably had the biggest effect until the last two centuries. A supervolcano would throw us into the dark ages for a while. Big meteorite strike? Game over time.

The fact is as a species we need to get off this world. Mars the most obvious and suitable. Colonies massively increase our survival chances and promote growth. Neil Armstrong spoke English on the moon, not because he was English, but because the English and others set up a colony back in the day.

What we don't want to do(and have an awful habit of doing) is confuse Earth's end time with ours. I laugh when people talk about us destroying the planet when what they really mean is making it uninhabitable for ourselves. We really are a vain bunch of ****. (Myself excluded obviously).

charlemont

NakedNNettles wrote: »

The human race is the most technologically advanced lifeform in the universe, that's a fact!

We are the 'Masters of the Universe'

Anyone disputing, then show me the evidence, there is none.

We can only compare intelligence against ourselves so your comment is totally wrong.

Capt'n Midnight

our planet is less than 5 billion years old,
early secondary star formation took place at least 9 billion years ago

this means that life supporting planets could have had at least 4 billion years head start on us

our galaxy will merge with Andromeda in 2 billion years or so.

point being there has been more than enough time for ET to evolve and colonise the galaxy without needing technology we don't know about yet.


it would be difficult for us to hollow out an asteroid to use as a generation ship, but not impossible if we dedicate enough time and resources to it , akin to a religious order building a cathedral over centuries , through political upheavals and plagues.

Born to Die

I believe in God so it would be silly of me not to believe he has perfected his plan somewhere else.

We are his template, the squiggles on his notepad but he had difficulties and fecked off to start again somewhere else.

Capt'n Midnight

Born to Die wrote: »

I believe in God so it would be silly of me not to believe he has perfected his plan somewhere else.

We are his template, the squiggles on his notepad but he had difficulties and fecked off to start again somewhere else.

And we killed his son

Born to Die

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

And we killed his son

Jew :P

Capt'n Midnight

Born to Die wrote: »

Jew :P

So you're going to be able to explain the subtle differences between the monotheistic religions that believe in the same God/Bible/Prophets/Holy Sites to an alien who may be a hive mind or be based on silicon or takes this whole "thou shalt not kill" thing seriously ?

Born to Die

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

So you're going to be able to explain the subtle differences between the monotheistic religions that believe in the same God/Bible/Prophets/Holy Sites to an alien who may be a hive mind or be based on silicon or takes this whole "thou shalt not kill" thing seriously ?

No, I will start another crusade.

And explain the offside rule to them

Pushtrak

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

So you're going to be able to explain the subtle differences between the monotheistic religions that believe in the same God/Bible/Prophets/Holy Sites to an alien who may be a hive mind or be based on silicon or takes this whole "thou shalt not kill" thing seriously ?

That's easy...

Kidchameleon

Pushtrak wrote: »

Can't really agree with this. Hell, if the reset button was pressed on this planet, and some event that drastically changed things here hasn't happened, say the extinction of the dinosaurs hadn't happened, or any number of other things, life on this planet would look nothing like it does now. So, our own planet being as it is isn't necessarily the only way this could have played out, and that said, how could another planet on which adaptation would play out differently be just like ours? Very anthropomorphic view

There's probably that much life out in the Universe that there are countless species vastly different to us and countless species very similar.

dsmythy

TPD wrote: »

Any planet based colonisation will succumb to the same fate eventually. The only real long term plan is to build roaming death star super colonies, harvesting resources from star systems it passes, continually growing and upgrading and expanding to keep in line with population growth.

Coming to an Earth near you.

Temptamperu

Of course there are aliens. But if they have any sense they will have a beacon over earth saying "does not play well with others"

Shryke

China Meiville explores the communication of ideas brilliantly and in his own weird way in Embassytown. Not his best novel but a good one and a brilliant example of what truely alien communication might mean in the nitty gritty.

Lone Stone

Once upon a time people use think travellers didnt exist because they never saw them as they were always travelling then one day they came a knocking looking for scrap and **** !

Dave!

Born to Die wrote: »

I believe in God so it would be silly of me not to believe he has perfected his plan somewhere else.

We are his template, the squiggles on his notepad but he had difficulties and fecked off to start again somewhere else.

Did he mention it anywhere in the Bible?

Ideally in clear, unambiguous language... Too much to ask?

Pushtrak

Dave! wrote: »

Did he mention it anywhere in the Bible?

Ideally in clear, unambiguous language... Too much to ask?

No, but if the existence of intelligent life on other planets was demonstrated, it wouldn't take long for some one to make the inference that something had pointed it out all along.

Mammanabammana

God I love AH once the weekend late night shite talk starts.

J. Marston

There's gotta be something out there!

DEFTLEFTHAND

I think UFOs are history students from the future conducting field trips in their school time machine.

Fart

I have never seen one, but the ancient astronaut theory does seem extremely plausible... and I hope it is found to be the truth.

History Channel: Ancient Aliens series, although some people take the piss put of that Tsoukalos guy, it is a very interesting show and really, really, really opens up a new world about how we think about Gods and sh!t.

joseph brand

MidlandsM wrote: »

not illegal ones........:p

but of the E.T. variety...........do you believe in them?

Statistically there are life forms on other planets in our galaxy and in other galaxies.

I don't believe that they have visited us here, but I could be wrong.

RobbingBandit

i bElieve the truth is out there, or it could just be Mr burns high on his weekly fix.

Cú Giobach

If the Universe is infinite, which is a real possibility, there would not only be an infinite number of intelligent forms out there, there would be an infinite number like us.
If you look at the Universe as a unit in full 4 dimentional space-time, then you can add in the last 14 billion years and the time forward till the Universe couldn't sustain life in any form and you have quite a few billions of years to play with.
Life took hold on this planet as soon as it cooled, so yea, life is all around us.

Daveysil15

Well if there is no other life forms out there then that's an awful waste of space.

jakobgallagher

seen this the other day over on the random video thread

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDRXn96HrtY

Capt'n Midnight

Dave! wrote: »

Bible?

Ideally in clear, unambiguous language... Too much to ask?

Since the Bible contradicts itself , clear, unambiguous language is probably too much to ask for.

But it did uphold slavery.

And remember what Jesus said about gays was " "

Capt'n Midnight

Daveysil15 wrote: »

Well if there is no other life forms out there then that's an awful waste of space.

not really.

to get metals you need stars made from the remnants of supernova explosions

so straight away you need lots of gravity, so lots of galaxies , otherwise the whole thing flies apart before you can reach critical mass


also most of the fundamental physical constants and the ratios between forces and the ratios between matter / dark matter / dark energy have to be very close to the observed value or the universe is not dense enough to form atoms and stuff or too dense and will just be a large black hole or suchlike

Born to Die

Dave! wrote: »

Did he mention it anywhere in the Bible?

Ideally in clear, unambiguous language... Too much to ask?

No idea, never read it.

phill106

Dave! wrote: »

Did he mention it anywhere in the Bible?

Ideally in clear, unambiguous language... Too much to ask?

Born to Die wrote: »

No idea, never read it.

He dies at the end

codrulz

close enough... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs74VYDNDXE

jcf

stupidusername wrote: »

Aliens

What is that from ?