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Jackobyte

No Gearoid Lyons after his immense kicking display in the Munster final is surprising.

its_phil

Jackobyte wrote: »

No Gearoid Lyons after his immense kicking display in the Munster final is surprising.

I think he is 19s. Ormond would have a better idea.

Jackobyte

its_phil wrote: »

I think he is 19s. Ormond would have a better idea.

Have it in my head he was 1995. Not sure when exactly the cut off is, but would have thought all 1995 players would have been eligible.

its_phil

Sean O'Brien and Jacob Walsh from Roscrea in the Ireland 19's squad

ormond lad

Jackobyte wrote: »

No Gearoid Lyons after his immense kicking display in the Munster final is surprising.

its_phil wrote: »

I think he is 19s. Ormond would have a better idea.

He is eligible for 18s.

Jackobyte wrote: »

Have it in my head he was 1995. Not sure when exactly the cut off is, but would have thought all 1995 players would have been eligible.

cut off is 1/1/95 as its 18s. Cup was 1/1/94 as it is 19s
Lyons is a 95 and just wasnt picked. All 95s are eligible

opinionatedfan

no Josh Fullerton is interesting, maybe he is injured.

LH prop
Jeremy Loughman (Blackrock College)
Michael Lagan (Methodist College)

Hooker
Sean McNulty (Rockwell College)
Andrew Roche (Terenure College)

TH prop
Oisin Heffernan (CC Roscrea)
Oliver Jager (Blackrock College)

Lock
David O'Connor(Blackrock College)
Alexander Thompson (Methodist College)
James Ryan (St.Michael's College)

Backrow
Joshua Murphy (St. Michaels College)
Rory Moloney (CC Roscrea)
Patrick Thornton (Terenure College)
Nick Timoney (Blackrock College)
James Gallagher (Methodist College)

Scrumhalf
Nick McCarthy (St. Michaels College)
Charlie Rock (Blackrock College)

Outhalf
Ross Byrne (St.Michaels College)
Ciaran Gaffney (CC Roscrea)

Centre
Matthew Gilsenan (St.Michaels College)
Fergal Cleary (Clongowes Wood College)
Harrison Brewer (Terenure College)

Back 3
Michael Courtney (CBC Monkstown)
Greg O'Shea (Crescent Comprehensive)
Cormac Brennan (CC Roscrea)
Billy Dardis (Terenure College)
Jack Owens (Campbell College)

Quint2010

opinionatedfan wrote: »

no Josh Fullerton is interesting, maybe he is injured.

LH prop
Jeremy Loughman (Blackrock College)
Michael Lagan (Methodist College)

Hooker
Sean McNulty (Rockwell College)
Andrew Roche (Terenure College)

TH prop
Oisin Heffernan (CC Roscrea)
Oliver Jager (Blackrock College)

Lock
David O'Connor(Blackrock College)
Alexander Thompson (Methodist College)
James Ryan (St.Michael's College)

Backrow
Joshua Murphy (St. Michaels College)
Rory Moloney (CC Roscrea)
Patrick Thornton (Terenure College)
Nick Timoney (Blackrock College)
James Gallagher (Methodist College)

Scrumhalf
Nick McCarthy (St. Michaels College)
Charlie Rock (Blackrock College)

Outhalf
Ross Byrne (St.Michaels College)
Ciaran Gaffney (CC Roscrea)

Centre
Matthew Gilsenan (St.Michaels College)
Fergal Cleary (Clongowes Wood College)
Harrison Brewer (Terenure College)

Back 3
Michael Courtney (CBC Monkstown)
Greg O'Shea (Crescent Comprehensive)
Cormac Brennan (CC Roscrea)
Billy Dardis (Terenure College)
Jack Owens (Campbell College)

Think the strongest team will be:
Dardis
Brennan
Cleary
Brewer
O'Shea
Byrne
Rock
Loughman
Mcnulty
Heffernan
Ryan
O'Connor
Murphy
Moloney
Timoney

opinionatedfan

I'd go with:

1. Langan
2. McNulty
3. Heffernan
4. O'Connor
5. Ryan
6. Murphy
7. Moloney
8. Timoney
9. Rock
10. Byrne
11. O'Shea
12. Brewer
13. Cleary
14. Owens
15. Dardis

Tox56

lurtz wrote: »

Ireland U-18 Schools Squad to compete in the FIRA/AER Justin Bridou U-18 European Championship:

Forwards (14):
Oisin Heffernan (CC Roscrea)
Michael Lagan (Methodist College)
Sean McNulty (Rockwell College)
Andrew Roche (Terenure College)
Oliver Jager (Blackrock College)
Jeremy Loughman (Blackrock College)
David O'Connor(Blackrock College)
Alexander Thompson (Methodist College)
James Ryan (St.Michael's College)
Joshua Murphy (St. Michaels College)
Rory Moloney (CC Roscrea)
Patrick Thornton (Terenure College)
Nick Timoney (Blackrock College)
James Gallagher (Methodist College)

Backs (12):
Nick McCarthy (St. Michaels College)
Charlie Rock (Blackrock College)
Ross Byrne (St.Michaels College)
Ciaran Gaffney (CC Roscrea)
Matthew Gilsenan (St.Michaels College)
Greg O'Shea (Crescent Comprehensive)
Fergal Cleary (Clongowes Wood College)
Harrison Brewer (Terenure College)
Michael Courtney (CBC Monkstown)
Cormac Brennan (CC Roscrea)
Billy Dardis (Terenure College)
Jack Owens (Campbell College)

Management:
Coach - Noel McNamara
Manager - John McKinney
Backs Coach - Mark Butler
Forwards Coach - Brian Robinson
Baggage master - John Moran
Doctor - Prof. John Ryan
Video Analyst - Brett Igoe
Physiotherapist - David Lyons
Strength & Conditioning Coach - Chris Shields

EDIT: My mistake

Is James Ryan the 4th year second row??

opinionatedfan

Tox56 wrote: »

EDIT: My mistake

Is James Ryan the 4th year second row??

yeah.

ormond lad

Next septembers Munster u19s and 20s which will contain quite a few players who will have played senior cup this year(as well as youths rugby) have games coming up in the next week as prep for this summers training camp in Rockwell.
The 19s play Connacht in Ennis next wednesday while the 20s are due to play Young Munsters u21s in Tom Clifford Park park next wednesday

opinionatedfan

who are the best guys u20 next season?

O'Donoghue and Madigan right? anyone else?

ormond lad

opinionatedfan wrote: »

who are the best guys u20 next season?

O'Donoghue and Madigan right? anyone else?

For Munster those 2 as well as Parata the former sundays well munster youth and Rockwell outhalf-centre,
Jack Dineen the Crescent Comp back row, Sonny Dwyer rockwell but from thurles backrow will all be strong with a handful of others who i think may make it but havent really been involved in any interpro set up to date.

RobbieRuns

Is Parata playing with Connacht next year, like he did last year?

mrpdap

ormond lad wrote: »

For Munster those 2 as well as Parata the former sundays well munster youth and Rockwell outhalf-centre,
Jack Dineen the Crescent Comp back row, Sonny Dwyer rockwell but from thurles backrow will all be strong with a handful of others who i think may make it but havent really been involved in any interpro set up to date.

When will the squads be announced?

ormond lad

RobbieRuns wrote: »

Is Parata playing with Connacht next year, like he did last year?

No fairly sure he will be back with Munster

mrpdap wrote: »

When will the squads be announced?

u20?
sometime in may if at all. Might not be announced until the summer


Irish 19s play a Leinster side on sunday in merrion road

clubrug

ormond lad wrote: »

For Munster those 2 as well as Parata the former sundays well munster youth and Rockwell outhalf-centre,
Jack Dineen the Crescent Comp back row, Sonny Dwyer rockwell but from thurles backrow will all be strong with a handful of others who i think may make it but havent really been involved in any interpro set up to date.

Fierce 'hype' around Rory Parata, are the coaches influenced by reputations? Can't see him near centres munster had last year. Jack Dineen, Sonny Dwyer and Jack O' Donoughue all played 8 for munster, won't regig to fit and start them all, should be on squad but competitive area and Diarmuid Dee had a great interpro at 6 last year, super munster cup final, that spot is his to loose. David Johnson is probably the best prospect of the lot, in my opinion, really hope he makes progress in rugby, excellent player.

Very rare you see lads who haven't been involved in any interpro set up break in at 20s, but would be good to see. Are there many munster lads on Ireland 19s squad?

ormond lad

clubrug wrote: »

Fierce 'hype' around Rory Parata, are the coaches influenced by reputations? Can't see him near centres munster had last year. Jack Dineen, Sonny Dwyer and Jack O' Donoughue all played 8 for munster, won't regig to fit and start them all, should be on squad but competitive area and Diarmuid Dee had a great interpro at 6 last year, super munster cup final, that spot is his to lose. David Johnson is probably the best prospect of the lot, in my opinion, really hope he makes progress in rugby, excellent player.

Very rare you see lads who haven't been involved in any interpro set up break in at 20s, but would be good to see. Are there many munster lads on Ireland 19s squad?

Well from what ive seen of him. Parata is top class and any talk is well deserved. I def see Parata making the Munster 20s in september.
Would def have him ahead of the likes of Midleton Colleges Hodgson who started 1/2 games in the centre.
Sonny played a lot underage at 7 so could def be starting with Jack O at 8.
Dont think Johnson is the best of the lot. Would rate Parata, Jack O ahead of him.
There is a good enough number from Munster in the 19s squad afaik. Fairly sure there is at least 7/8 from Munster

lurtz

ormond lad wrote: »

No fairly sure he will be back with Munster

u20?
sometime in may if at all. Might not be announced until the summer


Irish 19s play a Leinster side on sunday in merrion road

howd you know this? and you know a time?

clubrug

Rory Parata is a fine player, don't get me wrong and he has progressed greatly since involvement in munster youths, probably didn't get fair crack with them and grew with Connacht, no doubt, wonder would that influence him?

Plenty of fine rugby players out there, at this time of year people focus on performances in senior cup, rightly or wrongly, long time between now and september and things change, 20s will probably be dominated by school and ex school players, however any 'screamers' from the clubs?

ormond lad

lurtz wrote: »

howd you know this? and you know a time?

saw it on another website
think its at 2

fox_1973

lurtz wrote: »

howd you know this? and you know a time?

Kick off is 12 wanderers rfc

Hagz

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9huRsCObrsw

RobbieRuns

Saw Parata play with Connacht 19's last year and he was ok but not a stand out. He was munster youth but then came to Galway at 19's, then because he does ok with us he goes back to munster?????? We improve him to give him back to Munster? strange if you can switch allegiance that easily.

ormond lad

RobbieRuns wrote: »

Saw Parata play with Connacht 19's last year and he was ok but not a stand out. He was munster youth but then came to Galway at 19's, then because he does ok with us he goes back to munster?????? We improve him to give him back to Munster? strange if you can switch allegiance that easily.

He played Munster Youths. Wasnt picked for Irish Youths and moved to Rockwell. He moved too late to play senior cup last year.
From what i heard Parata is fully set on playing pro rugby and that is his main aim. He wasnt picked for Munster 19s last summer so he and a few others including Aidan Butler looked to Connacht and they were included in the Connacht squad. He has been playing in Munster competitions the entire time. He was offered a place by Munster so took it and from what ive heard he may well be in the Munster Academy next season.
He has prob been asked by both Connacht and Munster about next season at 20s and chose Munster

RobbieRuns

Fair play to him............... lucky boy having all those choices.

clubrug

ormond lad wrote: »

He played Munster Youths. Wasnt picked for Irish Youths and moved to Rockwell. He moved too late to play senior cup last year.
From what i heard Parata is fully set on playing pro rugby and that is his main aim. He wasnt picked for Munster 19s last summer so he and a few others including Aidan Butler looked to Connacht and they were included in the Connacht squad. He has been playing in Munster competitions the entire time. He was offered a place by Munster so took it and from what ive heard he may well be in the Munster Academy next season.
He has prob been asked by both Connacht and Munster about next season at 20s and chose Munster

Lets face it most kids playing rugby for a province have notions of playing pro, how many make it, difference between having and achieving goals! Best of luck to him. He didn't start any games for munster youths I believe, bit unlucky there perhaps. What place has he been offered, probably listed amongst forty odd lads for a couple of training sessions and matches, doesn't guarantee anything.

Again hype, seen both him and Ned Hodson, who captained munster schools 2011 and played all munster 19s games last year, now UCC, I know who I would pick, however he deserves a chance and will have the opportunity to go to Connacht then if he wants perhaps. But must say again the physical change in the kid in a short space of time, fair dues to him.

ormond lad

clubrug wrote: »

Lets face it most kids playing rugby for a province have notions of playing pro, how many make it, difference between having and achieving goals! Best of luck to him. He didn't start any games for munster youths I believe, bit unlucky there perhaps. What place has he been offered, probably listed amongst forty odd lads for a couple of training sessions and matches, doesn't guarantee anything.

Again hype, seen both him and Ned Hodson, who captained munster schools 2011 and played all munster 19s games last year, now UCC, I know who I would pick, however he deserves a chance and will have the opportunity to go to Connacht then if he wants perhaps. But must say again the physical change in the kid in a short space of time, fair dues to him.

Oh i know most kids who go on and get provincial age grade recognition have aspirations of playing pro but how many well and truely do have the aim to be a pro and think of nothing but becoming a pro. Nowhere near as many.
He didnt start games for munster youths as iirc the way he played the game off the cuff etc was not how the team was being played as they were playing a much more structured game.
If choosing between Parata and Hodgson id choose Parata every time from what ive seen of both play

ormond lad

Think there may be some highlights of the FIRA games on FIRA's dailymotion page. There was last year and if they've a video up on the managers of each country meeting up before the tournament then I assume there will be some highlights of games this year

Quint2010

ormond lad wrote: »

Think there may be some highlights of the FIRA games on FIRA's dailymotion page. There was last year and if they've a video up on the managers of each country meeting up before the tournament then I assume there will be some highlights of games this year

The website is pretty poor in fairness. The whole tournament seems to be shrouded in mystery..

ormond lad

Irish team for FIRA game tonight has been named
1. Michael Lagan
2. Andrew Roche
3. Oisin Heffernan
4. David O'Conner
5. James Ryan
6. Rory Moloney
7. Patrick Thornton
8. Nick Timoney
9. Nick McCarthy
10. Ross Bryne
11. Greg O'Shea
12. Harrison Brewer
13. Fergal Cleary
14. Jack Owens
15. Billy Dardis

ormond lad

we lead 21-20 after 30 or so minutes

ormond lad

we lead 31-20 in 2nd half.

the baby bull elephant

Is it on anywhere?

ormond lad

the baby bull elephant wrote: »

Is it on anywhere?

Not on tv. doesn't appear like any games are on tv this year. There has been games on eurosport in the past but doesn't look like there is this year. there may be highlights up on FIRA's dailymotion page

specttator

great to get info on score. kkep it up.

Quint2010

Ireland won the match but not sure what score

ormond lad

we won 31-20

Bridge93

I'd say the smallish winning margin would be due to about half the squad playing games on Monday and not having had a game together yet.

Hagz

Ah it's grand. Sure last year they only beat Portugal by 10 points and then went on to beat France. They just need more time together.
Brewer, Dardis, O'Shea and Owens with the tries.

EDIT: Speaking of Portugal, England absolutely hammered them. 82-8.

Stanza2

Georgia were always going to be one of the tougher of the "weaker" nations but be honest, everyone thinks that we have one of the best teams ever out there! Take the win and move on to France (who will also not have an easy game v Italy). A win is a win.

Don't buy the theme of them not having time together though, they all know each other well and have been in camps since last Autumn. They are good players everyone of them. Georgia are obviously a good team. England beat Portugal 82-8 though. Hope they get complacent !

Hagz

Stanza2 wrote: »

Take the win and move on to France (who will also not have an easy game v Italy).

Looks like they had an easy game. 32-0..

Stanza2

Ah well, onwards and upwards lads. The hype might dampen down a bit and get them fully focused. A win is a win.

Quint2010

Match report here

http://www.irishrugby.ie/rugby/28813.php

Player14

Stanza2 wrote: »

Don't buy the theme of them not having time together though, they all know each other well and have been in camps since last Autumn. They are good players everyone of them.

That's not necessarily true as many are from different provinces. Also, some have just been called up after good cup campaigns and been thrown into the squad.

fox_1973

fox_1973 wrote: »

Kick off is 12 wanderers rfc

The 19s v Leinster selection game tomorrow is cancelled due to the weather

Stanza2

Player14 wrote: »

That's not necessarily true as many are from different provinces. Also, some have just been called up after good cup campaigns and been thrown into the squad.

You would'nt say that they are predominantly Leinster schools then? Who demolished all before them in the interpro's before the schools cups even started. Would it not be fair to say that McCarthy, Byrne, Brewer, Cleary and Dardis in the back line have all played lots of games together? That's before you would even mention the forwards. Was there not 13 of the starting team from Leinster schools? Only Owens and O'Shea not from there.....or am I wrong.

I want them to win this thing as they showed great promise all year, especially in the interpros. In the game v the clubs they looked like a club side, all knew each other so well, especially the backs and flankers. I just don't buy the argument that they don't know each other well.......sorry about that.

I hope that it was just a slow start and they fire on all cyclinders for the French game.

ormond lad

Castletroy won their 2nd ever Munster Junior Cup today beating Crescent 13-7.

Its not great but better than nothing. A short video of yesterdays games. Doesn't have any real coverage of games

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xyfc40_120322-u18-justin-bridou-day-1-highlights_sport#.UU4K8DKvnMw

the baby bull elephant

Stanza2 wrote: »

You would'nt say that they are predominantly Leinster schools then? Who demolished all before them in the interpro's before the schools cups even started. Would it not be fair to say that McCarthy, Byrne, Brewer, Cleary and Dardis in the back line have all played lots of games together? That's before you would even mention the forwards. Was there not 13 of the starting team from Leinster schools? Only Owens and O'Shea not from there.....or am I wrong.

I want them to win this thing as they showed great promise all year, especially in the interpros. In the game v the clubs they looked like a club side, all knew each other so well, especially the backs and flankers. I just don't buy the argument that they don't know each other well.......sorry about that.

I hope that it was just a slow start and they fire on all cyclinders for the French game.

Michael Lagan as well from Methody.

ormond lad

The irish game in full on youtube
1st half: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwIASfqwlU8
2nd half: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggC0Y0Pa_Z4