Provincial Schools thread 2012-2013 *MOD WARNING POST 1*

opinionatedfan

Depends on the team they put out but yeah, you'd expect a win.

specttator

any mention of the match being televised?

ormond lad

specttator wrote: »

any mention of the match being televised?

Game not being televised.
The final between England and France is being shown live on l'équipe 21 TV and on Eurosport FR.
At halftime of the final there will be some highlights of the Irish game against Scotland.

Quint2010

ormond lad wrote: »

Game not being televised.
The final between England and France is being shown live on l'équipe 21 TV and on Eurosport FR.
At halftime of the final there will be some highlights of the Irish game against Scotland.[/QUOTE

Is the France Ireland game available anywhere?

Leinster5

Anybody know the Ireland u19's squad?

lurtz

i know players in it but don't know the full thing

opinionatedfan

1. - Loughman - - Jeremy
2. - Andrew - - Roche
3. - Heffernan - - Oisin
4. - O'Connor - - David
5. - Thompson - - Alexander
6. - Murphy - - Josh
7. - Moloney - - Rory
8. - Timoney - - Nick
9. - McCarthy - - Nick
10. - Bryne - - Ross
11. - Brennan - - Cormac
12. - Brewer - - Harrison
13. - Cleary - - Fergal
14. - Owens - - Jack
15. - Dardis - - Billy

opinionatedfan

leading 7 - 0.

Try by McCarthy

opinionatedfan

Try Timoney.

12 - 0

opinionatedfan

19 - 0

Try Loughman and converted.

specttator

must be half time now. great to get this updates

opinionatedfan

26 - 0

Try Heffernan and coverted.

Hagz

Another two tries for Ireland from Loughman and an penalty try.
40-0

Hagz

FullTime 40-0

Tries from Nick McCarthy, Nick Timoney, Jeremy Loughman x2, Oisin Heffernan and Josh Murphy.

lurtz

loughman is some carrier

specttator

I would really appreciate a link which would allow me view the Ireland Scotland FIRA match.
Can anyone help with that?

Clareman

Keep an eye here

matTNT

ormond lad wrote: »

Rockwell had fullback mcmahon off for tip tackle and crescent were lucky they didnt have a man off as well as one stage in the game.

I'm friends with McMahon (Steve) and I can attest that whoever says it was a retaliation is incorrect. He knows it was wrong but he wasn't trying to do what he did, he was clearing out the ruck and when the 14 came in to help him the incident went wrong. He deserved the red because it was dangerous. I think he should have been allowed to go on the Ireland 18s side though.

Generally he is a very clean player.

ormond lad wrote: »

Defence from Crescent was awesome.
Rockwell killed themselves with number of penalties they conceded.

Spot on.

ormond lad wrote: »

Disapointed for Nenaghs Willie Coffey who played on the wing for Rockwell but he's underage for another 2 years so has another few chances for a winners medal

He's in 6th year next year so he only has one year left. He already repeated 5th year for rugby (even though he really didn't need to, straight A student) so I can't see him repeating 6th year. His future is as a centre when he bulks up a little. I'd tip him as a 13 in a few years time if he can improve his hands.

Ben Riley is a serious talent at scrum half will be the star next year. Munster u18s this year.

charliemant

Anyone know who is on Munster u18s this year ?or people that will be on it?

ormond lad

charliemant wrote: »

Anyone know who is on Munster u18s this year ?or people that will be on it?

Squad has only just been picked if it has or will be picked in next few weeks. Look at last September/Octobers bowen shield teams(there was a report nearly every week on the Munster website) and the same names will have kept on popping up. They are most likely to be the main players

lurtz

IRELAND UNDER-19 Team & Replacements (v England Under-19 Academies, Under-19 International Match, Donnybrook, Wednesday, April 3, kick-off 1pm):

15 - Cian Kelleher (St. Michael's College/Leinster)
14 - Ross Adair (Queen's University/Ulster)
13 - Rory O'Loughlin (St. Michael's College/Leinster)
12 - Peter Robb (Old Belvedere/Leinster)
11 - Ian Fitzpatrick (King's Hospital/Leinster)
10 - Conor McKeon (Gonzaga College/Leinster)
9 - Caolin Blade (Monivea/Connacht)
1 - Ross Kane (Methodist College/Ulster)
2 - Max Abbott (PBC Cork/Munster)
3 - Saba Meunargia (Marist College/Connacht)
4 - Sean O'Brien (CC Roscrea/Connacht) (capt)
5 - Ross Molony (St. Michael's College/Leinster)
6 - Ben Alexander (Queen's University/Ulster)
7 - Joe Bercis (Bedford Blues/Exile)
8 - Jack O'Donoghue (UL Bohemians/Munster)

Replacements:

16 - Shane Delahunt (Kilkenny College/Leinster)
17 - Jacob Walshe (CC Roscrea/Connacht)
18 - Rory Burke (CBC Cork/Munster)
19 - Darragh Moloney (CBC Cork/Munster)
20 - Jack O'Neill (Castleknock College/Leinster)
21 - Ryan Foley (CBC Cork/Munster)
22 - Rory Parata (Rockwell College/Connacht)
23 - David Johnston (UL Bohemians/Munster)

Management Team -

Head Coach - Colin McEntee
Team Manager - Barney McGonigle
Assistant Coach (Backs) - Nigel Carolan
Baggage Master - Pat Downey
Doctor - Tim O'Flanagan
Video Analyst - Vinny Hammond
Physio - Barry Smith
Strength & Conditioning Coach - Sami Dowling

irishbucsfan

Wow. 1 Leinster forward, 5 Leinster backs. Normality has been restored.

.ak

Really will be interesting to see how McEntee gets on, and see if he uncovers some gems.

opinionatedfan

Don't know much about Peter Robb, anyone?
Anyone know what happened to Bobby Holland and Charlie Slowey.

Interesting to compare that team to the under-18 schools team that played in FIRA-AER final last year.

Only 5 players starting this game and that, although Leavy and Timmins skipped u19 level and are involved with the u20 team and several others were playing again this year for the u18's.

2. Max Abbott
4. Sean O'Brien
5. Ross Molony
10. Conor McKeon
13. Rory O'Loughlin

Couple guys on the bench aswell.
15. Cian Kelleher
16. Shane Delahunt
19. Darragh Moloney
20. Jack O'Neill

And finally, David Johnston started the schools game but is on the bench for this game.

Quint2010

opinionatedfan wrote: »

Don't know much about Peter Robb, anyone?
Anyone know what happened to Bobby Holland and Charlie Slowey.

Interesting to compare that team to the under-18 schools team that played in FIRA-AER final last year.

Only 5 players starting this game and that, although Leavy and Timmins skipped u19 level and are involved with the u20 team and several others were playing again this year for the u18's.

2. Max Abbott
4. Sean O'Brien
5. Ross Molony
10. Conor McKeon
13. Rory O'Loughlin

Couple guys on the bench aswell.
15. Cian Kelleher
16. Shane Delahunt
19. Darragh Moloney
20. Jack O'Neill

And finally, David Johnston started the schools game but is on the bench for this game.

Went to Blackrock and was on their SCT last year. Very physically developed but strangely didn't get capped until after he left school.

Leinster5

Am I right in saying none of the following players are involved in either the 18's or 19's Ireland squads :
Gary Ringrose
Denis Coulson
Richie Allen
David Fortune
Oisin Heffernen

Expected to see all of them involved in either set-ups if I'm honest.

opinionatedfan

Leinster5 wrote: »

Am I right in saying none of the following players are involved in either the 18's or 19's Ireland squads :
Gary Ringrose
Denis Coulson
Richie Allen
David Fortune
Oisin Heffernen

Expected to see all of them involved in either set-ups if I'm honest.

Heffernan was the starting TH for the u18 team in all three games.

You are right on the other 4 players.

Leinster5

opinionatedfan wrote: »

Heffernan was the starting TH for the u18 team in all three games.

You are right on the other 4 players.

Thanks. Thought those players were good enough for Ireland.

opinionatedfan

Leinster5 wrote: »

Thanks. Thought those players were good enough for Ireland.

Ringrose is a very controversial player.
Coulson isn't a great scrummager.
Agree on Richie Allen, thought he was a good enough player alright but then so is Dylan Donnellan in my book and he isn't involved either.
Fortune is pretty small and I think might be injured.

Quint2010

Leinster5 wrote: »

Am I right in saying none of the following players are involved in either the 18's or 19's Ireland squads :
Gary Ringrose
Denis Coulson
Richie Allen
David Fortune
Oisin Heffernen

Expected to see all of them involved in either set-ups if I'm honest.

Pretty sure Coulsen was propping for Leinster U19's earlier this season. Allen had a good cup but obviously was considered too small. Ringrose hadnt been picked for any interprovincial squads so hard to see him go straight into the Ireland team at either level.

opinionatedfan

No McKeever is interesting.

Hagz

Happy to see Robb there. Been impressed when I've seen him with Old Belvo. Jack O'Neill on the bench is a little surprising considering he was captain of the Leinster team, Bercis must be a good player.

opinionatedfan

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Wow. 1 Leinster forward, 5 Leinster backs. Normality has been restored.

If Leavy, Timmins and Dooley were not promoted early to u20.

It would be 5 and 5.

RobbieRuns

Hagz wrote: »

Happy to see Robb there. Been impressed when I've seen him with Old Belvo. Jack O'Neill on the bench is a little surprising considering he was captain of the Leinster team, Bercis must be a good player.

Bercis is a good player, I think that he captained the Connacht U19's to the interpro title last year, beating a very good Leinster team in the Final.

Bercis, J O'Donohue, C Blade and J Walshe were all Irish U18 Clubs last year so they are good players. Two others from last years Clubs team have also skipped the U19's and are on to 20's and they are Adam Byrne (if fit) and P Dooley who started for the 20's this year. Two lads from last year's team were young enough for 18's this year, Fergal Cleary, who switched to the schools and Sean O'Hagan who played with the clubs again this year.

I think that is a fairly good output from the youth structure to our age grade teams.

lurtz

opinionatedfan wrote: »

Don't know much about Peter Robb, anyone?
Anyone know what happened to Bobby Holland and Charlie Slowey.

Interesting to compare that team to the under-18 schools team that played in FIRA-AER final last year.

Only 5 players starting this game and that, although Leavy and Timmins skipped u19 level and are involved with the u20 team and several others were playing again this year for the u18's.

2. Max Abbott
4. Sean O'Brien
5. Ross Molony
10. Conor McKeon
13. Rory O'Loughlin

Couple guys on the bench aswell.
15. Cian Kelleher
16. Shane Delahunt
19. Darragh Moloney
20. Jack O'Neill

And finally, David Johnston started the schools game but is on the bench for this game.

Holland isnt playing rep again I dont think,he doesnt want to

Leinster5 wrote: »

Am I right in saying none of the following players are involved in either the 18's or 19's Ireland squads :
Gary Ringrose
Denis Coulson
Richie Allen
David Fortune
Oisin Heffernen

Expected to see all of them involved in either set-ups if I'm honest.

Very disappointed not to see those lads involved,especially Ringrose and Fortune. Players should be rewarded for good cup performances,not just the old guard called on again

opinionatedfan wrote: »

No McKeever is interesting.

think theres better players than him,Meunargia is a sound operator. As for Donnellan not being there thats because Delahunt has moved to hooker

Leinster5

opinionatedfan wrote: »

Ringrose is a very controversial player.
Coulson isn't a great scrummager.
Agree on Richie Allen, thought he was a good enough player alright but then so is Dylan Donnellan in my book and he isn't involved either.
Fortune is pretty small and I think might be injured.

How is Ringrose controversial? Had a very good campaign and his kicking is the best I have ever seen at schools level. Coulson isn't the greatest scrummager, but is very effective in the loose. I'd rate Allen over Donnellan, Allen's a very effective carrier when in space. Thinking about it, Fortune did go off injured in the Final against 'Michaels.

opinionatedfan

Leinster5 wrote: »

How is Ringrose controversial? Had a very good campaign and his kicking is the best I have ever seen at schools level. Coulson isn't the greatest scrummager, but is very effective in the loose. I'd rate Allen over Donnellan, Allen's a very effective carrier when in space. Thinking about it, Fortune did go off injured in the Final against 'Michaels.

controversial because some people think he is an excellent prospect and others think he is just an okay prospect.

The fact he hasn't ever made a Leinster or Ireland setup is telling.

Leinster5

opinionatedfan wrote: »

controversial because some people think he is an excellent prospect and others think he is just an okay prospect.

The fact he hasn't ever made a Leinster or Ireland setup is telling.

Personally I don't think has what it takes to make it as a professional, but I felt he deserved a chance after a strong cup campaign.

ormond lad

lurtz wrote: »

Holland isnt playing rep again I dont think,he doesnt want to


Very disappointed not to see those lads involved,especially Ringrose and Fortune. Players should be rewarded for good cup performances,not just the old guard called on again



think theres better players than him,Meunargia is a sound operator. As for Donnellan not being there thats because Delahunt has moved to hooker

Don't think its "the old guard" being called on again. I don't think Ringrose is all that. kicking is excellent but is he good enough? How has he not been involved in any squad at representative level before if he's as good as some people are making him out to be. Not any bit saying he's not good but I think
Thought there would be more youths players involved but if you look to the likes of Adam Byrne who's injured and Peter Dooley who's played 20s.

Stanza2

I thought that as was previously said that the representation from last years irish youths team was very good 4 on the U19's, 2 on the U20's and 3 still playing U18's (he forgot Sean Moran who was capped last year as well). That's not too bad. 9 players still involved with national teams is not a bad number. The schools will always have more.

opinionatedfan

if i wanted to watch the game the u19 game tomorrow it would be free right?

FellasFellas

Stanza2 wrote: »

I thought that as was previously said that the representation from last years irish youths team was very good 4 on the U19's, 2 on the U20's and 3 still playing U18's (he forgot Sean Moran who was capped last year as well). That's not too bad. 9 players still involved with national teams is not a bad number. The schools will always have more.

Sean Moran as in the Big Show from CCR? He now plies his illustrious trade with IT Carlow I believe

FellasFellas

opinionatedfan wrote: »

if i wanted to watch the game the u19 game tomorrow it would be free right?

Are you a student? It'll probably be normal Donnybrook prices. 3 euro student terrace and fiver for the stand.

CGD

Peter Robb is a huge suprise for me a big bruiser but not much else to his game IMO

Stanza2

FellasFellas wrote: »

Sean Moran as in the Big Show from CCR? He now plies his illustrious trade with IT Carlow I believe

No, Sean Moran from Killkenny who plays with the Irish U18 Clubs, lovely young player. He was capped last year as well

FellasFellas

CGD wrote: »

Peter Robb is a huge suprise for me a big bruiser but not much else to his game IMO

You're right there. Don't rate the kid at all myself.

opinionatedfan

FellasFellas wrote: »

Are you a student? It'll probably be normal Donnybrook prices. 3 euro student terrace and fiver for the stand.

yeah student, ill see If i can spare some time not studying and pop over.

ormond lad

FellasFellas wrote: »

Are you a student? It'll probably be normal Donnybrook prices. 3 euro student terrace and fiver for the stand.

Don't think so. Could be free in. Prev u18/19 internationals in Dublin have been free in iirc

FellasFellas

ormond lad wrote: »

Don't think so. Could be free in. Prev u18/19 internationals in Dublin have been free in iirc

I remember having to pay into the England - Ireland Schools international in Donnybrook 2 or 3 years ago. And also paying into Leinsters interpro with Northampton as well. Money grabbers the lot of them!

lurtz

opinionatedfan wrote: »

controversial because some people think he is an excellent prospect and others think he is just an okay prospect.

The fact he hasn't ever made a Leinster or Ireland setup is telling.

Id expect him to be involved with Leinster this summer,maybe 20s if thats his age group,I think hes a fantastic talent. If people actually watched him closely in matches instead of hearing about his kicking they'd see he has a fantastic pairs of hands and good pace.

ormond lad wrote: »

Don't think its "the old guard" being called on again. I don't think Ringrose is all that. kicking is excellent but is he good enough? How has he not been involved in any squad at representative level before if he's as good as some people are making him out to be. Not any bit saying he's not good but I think
Thought there would be more youths players involved but if you look to the likes of Adam Byrne who's injured and Peter Dooley who's played 20s.

Yes Ringrose is good enough. As I said,kicking aside,he offers alot in attack and defence,and has plenty capacity to learn and develop
This is quite irrelevant, Barry Daly in 2011 and Eoghan Quinn last year werent in a setup til they left school. Neither were jordan coghlan or josh van der flier. Are they not as good as people think? Its like the AIL,players should be rewarded for performing in the cup with higher honours