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FellasFellas

opinionatedfan wrote: »

someone like Collins might not be ready now, but he has potential.

Hard to know how much but we would be daft not to try and develop him more and see what might develop there.

With the limited talent coming through at lock we need to make sure we don't over look guys who might be light and unpolished coming out of school.

Yeah if a lad is 6'8-6'9 like Collins, he needs to be exposed to a weights programme and a professional enviroment asap.

opinionatedfan

FellasFellas wrote: »

Yeah if a lad is 6'8-6'9 like Collins, he needs to be exposed to a weights programme and a professional enviroment asap.

Totally agree.

Especially with us running that route 6'6 project a few years back.

Collins might not even be 18 yet, imagine in 3 years time what he might be.

opinionatedfan

lurtz wrote: »

yeah the getting rid of a 19s squad is a huge blow. Bear in mind Tadhg Beirne played 19s 2nds and is now in the academy so good players do come through there. think Jack Dwan could be a useful addition to the 19s this year. The other 2nd rows playing in the trial were some tall skinny lad from knock who's played the last two years and robbie collins from cwc,who's an absoulte giant but not much meat on him

Eoin Murphy, i believe.

ormond lad

Munster 19s played Crescent senior cup winning side at the weekend. Crescent won 12-5 http://www.munsterrugby.ie/domestic/news/11832.php

the baby bull elephant

lurtz wrote: »

yeah the getting rid of a 19s squad is a huge blow. Bear in mind Tadhg Beirne played 19s 2nds and is now in the academy so good players do come through there. think Jack Dwan could be a useful addition to the 19s this year. The other 2nd rows playing in the trial were some tall skinny lad from knock who's played the last two years and robbie collins from cwc,who's an absoulte giant but not much meat on him

And Hugo Diepman was playing in the trial as well. Similar player to Beirne in a lot of ways.

ormond lad

Can anyone tell me where the Leinster squads train over the summer? Munster since last summer have all but the A schools squad training in Rockwell and before that all the squads trained in several locations across the province. Just wondering where they do actually train.

FellasFellas

ormond lad wrote: »

Can anyone tell me where the Leinster squads train over the summer? Munster since last summer have all but the A schools squad training in Rockwell and before that all the squads trained in several locations across the province. Just wondering where they do actually train.

Leinster 20's last summer were based in Donnybrook for weights and Bird Avenue/Anglesea/Donnybrook for training. 19's were in Terenure College gym and pitches all summer and then when school year started, used Donnybrook for weights and Anglesea Road for training.

wise7

FellasFellas wrote: »

Leinster 20's last summer were based in Donnybrook for weights and Bird Avenue/Anglesea/Donnybrook for training. 19's were in Terenure College gym and pitches all summer and then when school year started, used Donnybrook for weights and Anglesea Road for training.

18's use terenure as well.

Leinster5

Anybody know when the Leinster u18 and u20 squads are picked?

ormond lad

Leinster5 wrote: »

Anybody know when the Leinster u18 and u20 squads are picked?

Squads In process of being picked. Games being played over last week or two that will help decide places in squads. Leinster don't announce their squads until august so nobody will know who exactly is in the squads until late summer

lurtz

Leinster5 wrote: »

Anybody know when the Leinster u18 and u20 squads are picked?

all the squads are finalised mid may and the lads are let know that their training will begin at start of july

Leinster5

lurtz wrote: »

all the squads are finalised mid may and the lads are let know that their training will begin at start of july

Thanks, if anyone finds out these squads before they are publicly posted by the Leinster Branch, please post them up on this.

Leinster5

Update on Leinster u20 squad :

St. Michaels
-Daniel Leavy, Rory O'Loughlin, Cian Kelleher, Richie Allen, Ross Molony, Josh Murphy, Denis Coulson, Ross Byrne & Nick McCarthy

Blackrock
-Peter Robb, Sean Coughlan

Clongowes
-Peadar Timmins

Terenure
-Robert Summerville, Billy Dardis, Stephen O'Neill & Harrison Brewer

Others :
-Shane Delahunt, Jack O'Neill, Conor McKeon & Rory Maloney

That's all my friend(involved in Leinster coaching set-up) could cough up earlier.

breffnimartin1

any story on U19s?

Quint2010

Leinster5 wrote: »

Update on Leinster u20 squad :

St. Michaels
-Daniel Leavy, Rory O'Loughlin, Cian Kelleher, Richie Allen, Ross Molony, Josh Murphy, Denis Coulson, Ross Byrne & Nick McCarthy

Blackrock
-Peter Robb, Sean Coughlan

Clongowes
-Peadar Timmins

Terenure
-Robert Summerville, Billy Dardis, Stephen O'Neill & Harrison Brewer

Others :
-Shane Delahunt, Jack O'Neill, Conor McKeon & Rory Maloney

That's all my friend(involved in Leinster coaching set-up) could cough up earlier.

You sure that's right? Seems to be a lot of players going directly from 18's to 20's?

opinionatedfan

pretty interesting,

Byrne and McKeon in the same squad doesn't seem like a smart thing.

Murphy, Byrne, Brewer, Dardis, McCarthy and Moloney would all be skipping u19 level this way.

Leinster5

Quint2010 wrote: »

You sure that's right? Seems to be a lot of players going directly from 18's to 20's?

Well the coach was saying that none of the players wanted to play 19's as it's built up a bad reputation as of late. Several players are skipping 19's level to play 20's.

FellasFellas

Leinster5 wrote: »

Well the coach was saying that none of the players wanted to play 19's as it's built up a bad reputation as of late. Several players are skipping 19's level to play 20's.

Pretty sure its got nothing to do with the player "wanting to play 20's". If they 20's need them they'll take them. The 19's is a good setup, few clubs players get in that really shouldn't be there and some schools players too realistically, but its a developmental year.

opinionatedfan

this year's 19s is a pretty deep group, so pushing the elite up to 20s which isn't as deep makes sense to me.

Younger

Leinster5 wrote: »

Update on Leinster u20 squad :

St. Michaels
-Daniel Leavy, Rory O'Loughlin, Cian Kelleher, Richie Allen, Ross Molony, Josh Murphy, Denis Coulson, Ross Byrne & Nick McCarthy

Blackrock
-Peter Robb, Sean Coughlan

Clongowes
-Peadar Timmins

Terenure
-Robert Summerville, Billy Dardis, Stephen O'Neill & Harrison Brewer

Others :
-Shane Delahunt, Jack O'Neill, Conor McKeon & Rory Maloney

That's all my friend(involved in Leinster coaching set-up) could cough up earlier.

Plus from Belvedere Ivan Soroka (prop) and Gerard Young (centre)

lurtz

Younger wrote: »

Plus from Belvedere Ivan Soroka (prop) and Gerard Young (centre)

guessed ger young would get something after that screamer of a try,very tidy footballer

Leinster5

Leinster 20 squad :

Props : Oisin Heffernen, Denis Coulson, Eoin McKeever, Ivan Soroka, Craig Trenier & Peter Dooley

Hookers : Shane Delahunt, Richie Allen & Dylan Donnellen

2nd Rows : Ross Molony, Josh Murphy & Rob Summerville

Back Row : Daniel Leavy, Sean Coughlan, Rory Moloney, Peadar Timmins & Jack O'Neill

Scrum Halfs : Nick McCarthy, Dermot Lavelle & Peter Maher

Out Halfs : Conor McKeon, Ross Byrne & Stephen O'Neill

Centres : Peter Robb, Rory O'Loughlin, Harrison Brewer, Sebastian Fromm & Ger Young

Back Three : Billy Dardis, Cian Kelleher, Adam Byrne & Ian Fitzpatrick

Pretty sure that's all who are involved, might be 2 or 3 that I've missed. Predictions for the summer squad of 23?

FellasFellas

Leinster5 wrote: »

Leinster 20 squad :

Props : Oisin Heffernen, Denis Coulson, Eoin McKeever, Ivan Soroka, Craig Trenier & Peter Dooley

Hookers : Shane Delahunt, Richie Allen & Dylan Donnellen

2nd Rows : Ross Molony, Josh Murphy & Rob Summerville

Back Row : Daniel Leavy, Sean Coughlan, Rory Moloney, Peadar Timmins & Jack O'Neill

Scrum Halfs : Nick McCarthy, Dermot Lavelle & Peter Maher

Out Halfs : Conor McKeon, Ross Byrne & Stephen O'Neill

Centres : Peter Robb, Rory O'Loughlin, Harrison Brewer, Sebastian Fromm & Ger Young

Back Three : Billy Dardis, Cian Kelleher, Adam Byrne & Ian Fitzpatrick

Pretty sure that's all who are involved, might be 2 or 3 that I've missed. Predictions for the summer squad of 23?

Dooley, Delahunt, Heffernan, Ross Molony, Peadar Timmons, Leavy at 8, Moloney at 7 and O'Neill at 6. McCarthy, McKeon, O'Loughlin and Brewer, CK, Byrne and Dardis

Then a bench of Allen, Soroka, McKeever/Coulsen, Murphy, Coughlan, Lavelle, Byrne, and Fitzpatrick.

fox_1973

2nd Rows : Ross Molony, Josh Murphy & Rob Summerville

Rob Somerville I presume?...can you ask your mate to check the spellings, we know all the confusion with maloney and malony

Leinster5

fox_1973 wrote: »

2nd Rows : Ross Molony, Josh Murphy & Rob Summerville

Rob Somerville I presume?...can you ask your mate to check the spellings, we know all the confusion with maloney and malony

I'll send on your criticism of his poor spelling.

lurtz

Leinster5 wrote: »

Leinster 20 squad :

Props : Oisin Heffernen, Denis Coulson, Eoin McKeever, Ivan Soroka, Craig Trenier & Peter Dooley

Hookers : Shane Delahunt, Richie Allen & Dylan Donnellen

2nd Rows : Ross Molony, Josh Murphy & Rob Summerville

Back Row : Daniel Leavy, Sean Coughlan, Rory Moloney, Peadar Timmins & Jack O'Neill

Scrum Halfs : Nick McCarthy, Dermot Lavelle & Peter Maher

Out Halfs : Conor McKeon, Ross Byrne & Stephen O'Neill

Centres : Peter Robb, Rory O'Loughlin, Harrison Brewer, Sebastian Fromm & Ger Young

Back Three : Billy Dardis, Cian Kelleher, Adam Byrne & Ian Fitzpatrick

Pretty sure that's all who are involved, might be 2 or 3 that I've missed. Predictions for the summer squad of 23?

hardly any clubs players,thought gardiner from gorey wouldve made it. Large amount going straight from 18s, good to get more lads involved at u19s I suppose

Gordon Gecko

lurtz wrote: »

hardly any clubs players,thought gardiner from gorey wouldve made it. Large amount going straight from 18s, good to get more lads involved at u19s I suppose

Strong squad, I think it's better that they're skipping 19s I don't think it was providing the right atmosphere the last two seasons if I'm being honest. I think the squad itself is a pretty fair reflection of the current powerhouses of Leinster rugby.

lurtz

Gordon Gecko wrote: »

Strong squad, I think it's better that they're skipping 19s I don't think it was providing the right atmosphere the last two seasons if I'm being honest. I think the squad itself is a pretty fair reflection of the current powerhouses of Leinster rugby.

please elaborate

lurtz

always great to see people getting rewarded for cup performances,like AIL players getting contracts. Richie allen had a fantastic cup run,seb fromm has been one of the standout backs in 2 years in the cup, trenier has been very solid for nure this year and as an impact sub last year and Belvo put up such a performance against nure in the first round that it was hard not to see some being involved

fox_1973

Leinster5 wrote: »

I'll send on your criticism of his poor spelling.

It's not poor spelling. It's somebodies surname

opinionatedfan

Shame that Gardiner isn't involved, hell of a player.

Quint2010

Bit surprised Jody Carroll didn't get a look in at hooker-he only came back from a long injury after Christmas but is an absolute beast of a specimen

TheTalk

Surprised
Stephen Keelan and Garry Ringrose didn't make the squad.
McCarthy, Dardis and Brewer would be the only u19 I'd have on the squad as I feel the likes of Josh Murphy and Ross Byrne Would develope better at the u19 squad.
I tell you one thing though, James Ryan would be good enough to start on that squad and considering he's U18.

TheTalk

Potential Squad
1 Peter Dooley
2 Shane Delanhunt
3 Eoghan McKeever
4 Ross Moloney
5 Robert Sommerville
6 Jack O'Neill
7 Dan Leavy (c)
8 Peadar Timmons
9 Nick McCarthy
10 It's impossible to pick between Ross and Conor
11 Cian Kelleher
12 Sebastian Fromm
13 Harrison Brewer
14 Adam Byrne
15 Billy Dardis

Debatable between the centres I know but that's a good problem to have.
Squad should be rotated and play lots of friendlies

Leinster5

Gary Ringrose made the squad as well, missed his name on the sheet of paper. Also, there are 2 or 3 more players that I don't have the names of that made the squad.

opinionatedfan

Murphy is hardly a second row, sure he could cover there but he is more of a 6.

Somerville is an okay player aswell.

Stephen Gardiner is all of 6'6, mobile and tough. Sure he didn't play high level schools rugby but as a 6th year he is playing mens club rugby week in, week out for Gorey and doing very well.

lurtz

opinionatedfan wrote: »

Murphy is hardly a second row, sure he could cover there but he is more of a 6.

Somerville is an okay player aswell.

Stephen Gardiner is all of 6'6, mobile and tough. Sure he didn't play high level schools rugby but as a 6th year he is playing mens club rugby week in, week out for Gorey and doing very well.

well Murphy certainly has the height and good to have someone with that skill as an extra backrower

opinionatedfan

lurtz wrote: »

well Murphy certainly has the height and good to have someone with that skill as an extra backrower

agreed on Murphy, he is 6'5ish and i guess it would give us a very mobile pack.

still though think Gardiner is being overlooked.

Hagz

Remember that he said he's missing a few names so Gardiner could be in the mix.

wise7

opinionatedfan wrote: »

agreed on Murphy, he is 6'5ish and i guess it would give us a very mobile pack.

still though think Gardiner is being overlooked.

Delighted to be in agreement on something as promising as Josh Murphy. An incredible potential with huge carrying capability, excellent in the line-out, huge tackle count every game and a great engine.

lurtz

wise7 wrote: »

Delighted to be in agreement on something as promising as Josh Murphy. An incredible potential with huge carrying capability, excellent in the line-out, huge tackle count every game and a great engine.

great engine 100% agree with you there,huge worker

Gordon Gecko

lurtz wrote: »

please elaborate

I've never really seen the point of 19s and think any arguments for it have been further eroded by players skipping to 20s. That's resulted in the team's prestige being downgraded (slightly) and, as one poster referred to, players who should never have been there being in the team. I think the level should be set at u21s to mirror the club structure that these players are either already playing or about to play.

ormond lad

Gordon Gecko wrote: »

I've never really seen the point of 19s and think any arguments for it have been further eroded by players skipping to 20s. That's resulted in the team's prestige being downgraded (slightly) and, as one poster referred to, players who should never have been there being in the team. I think the level should be set at u21s to mirror the club structure that these players are either already playing or about to play.

The point of 19s is very obvious and don't know how you cant see the point of the side.
Would you prefer the side was got rid of?
Players skipping 19s to play 20s does not lower 19s at all and helps long term development as more players get the chance to be in a provincial set up that otherwise would not.
The team's "prestige" has not been downgraded in the slightest.
Why should the level be at 21s when there is no international level at 21s and no other countries play at 21s level.

Gordon Gecko

ormond lad wrote: »

The point of 19s is very obvious and don't know how you cant see the point of the side.
Would you prefer the side was got rid of?
Players skipping 19s to play 20s does not lower 19s at all and helps long term development as more players get the chance to be in a provincial set up that otherwise would not.
The team's "prestige" has not been downgraded in the slightest.
Why should the level be at 21s when there is no international level at 21s and no other countries play at 21s level.

I can't see the point of having a team for whom the most talented players in that age bracket don't even play for. Whose long term development are you talking about? I don't agree with this whole giving lads the chance to be in a provincial set-up for if they're not good enough to play representative rugby in the first place. The whole White team and Blue team system was madness looking back on it and I think it's a step in the right direction that it was scrapped.

I think representative rugby should be about developing the best players in the province and giving them the launching pad they need to progress to the highest levels of the game. Do you really think this is going to be achieved by having players there just to make up numbers?

The international point I will concede, but purely on the basis that other countries will not change their systems. I think u21s would be a much better system but given that u20s is the order of the day it's probably best to leave well enough alone.

ormond lad

Gordon Gecko wrote: »

I can't see the point of having a team for whom the most talented players in that age bracket don't even play for. Whose long term development are you talking about? I don't agree with this whole giving lads the chance to be in a provincial set-up for if they're not good enough to play representative rugby in the first place. The whole White team and Blue team system was madness looking back on it and I think it's a step in the right direction that it was scrapped.

I think representative rugby should be about developing the best players in the province and giving them the launching pad they need to progress to the highest levels of the game. Do you really think this is going to be achieved by having players there just to make up numbers?

The international point I will concede, but purely on the basis that other countries will not change their systems. I think u21s would be a much better system but given that u20s is the order of the day it's probably best to leave well enough alone.

The 20+ players who are playing 19s long term development. Not every player makes 20s for 2 seasons and why have players in set up for 18s and then not at 19s and then back in at 20s. That's just idiotic.
All players chosen are chosen as they are good enough and There is no players there "just to make up numbers"
The White and Blue team was not madness. Having 2 sides means more players get the chance to develop which is a key and vital part of these teams. Ultimately winning and losing with these sides does not matter that much if players capable of playing to the highest levels keeps on happening.
Darren Sweetnam for one couldn't make the Main Munster u19 side in 2011 and he prob would not have progressed as much as a player if he there was only 1 u19 munster side that season.
Representative rugby is about producing the best players and having 2 teams means it is much more likely that the best players are produced
No way at all that 21s would be a much better system

FellasFellas

Gordon Gecko wrote: »

I can't see the point of having a team for whom the most talented players in that age bracket don't even play for. Whose long term development are you talking about? I don't agree with this whole giving lads the chance to be in a provincial set-up for if they're not good enough to play representative rugby in the first place. The whole White team and Blue team system was madness looking back on it and I think it's a step in the right direction that it was scrapped.

I think representative rugby should be about developing the best players in the province and giving them the launching pad they need to progress to the highest levels of the game. Do you really think this is going to be achieved by having players there just to make up numbers?

The international point I will concede, but purely on the basis that other countries will not change their systems. I think u21s would be a much better system but given that u20s is the order of the day it's probably best to leave well enough alone.

I'm gonna take two example of players that played Whites rugby in 2011 that are fantastic players. Liam Bourke from Navan, now the star of UCD U21's and Niall Lalor, who really slipped through the net with Leinster, he's a dream flanker and a real number 7. Also, Peter Robb was originally picked for Leinster Whites for 2012 but never actually showed up, then only in an injury crisis for the Blues was drafted in and look at him now? The Whites team certainly had it's advantages.

lurtz

FellasFellas wrote: »

I'm gonna take two example of players that played Whites rugby in 2011 that are fantastic players. Liam Bourke from Navan, now the star of UCD U21's and Niall Lalor, who really slipped through the net with Leinster, he's a dream flanker and a real number 7. Also, Peter Robb was originally picked for Leinster Whites for 2012 but never actually showed up, then only in an injury crisis for the Blues was drafted in and look at him now? The Whites team certainly had it's advantages.

agree thoroughly and two excellent examples of talented players

Quint2010

FellasFellas wrote: »

I'm gonna take two example of players that played Whites rugby in 2011 that are fantastic players. Liam Bourke from Navan, now the star of UCD U21's and Niall Lalor, who really slipped through the net with Leinster, he's a dream flanker and a real number 7. Also, Peter Robb was originally picked for Leinster Whites for 2012 but never actually showed up, then only in an injury crisis for the Blues was drafted in and look at him now? The Whites team certainly had it's advantages.

That Niall Lalor the Terenure player?

FellasFellas

Quint2010 wrote: »

That Niall Lalor the Terenure player?

It is indeed. Plays for Nure RFC and IT Tallaght now, should be in a setup imo. Connacht would have loved him I'm sure.

Hagz

Bit late, but they eventually put up highlights of the u19 loss to France. Warning, they are really bad highlights.

http://www.irishrugby.ie/matchdaytv?play=media&id=15011

No report though so I don't know what the team sheet was.