Provincial Schools thread 2012-2013 *MOD WARNING POST 1*

specttator

I agree, the highlights are pretty ropey. I fail to understand any reluctance to show all film in their possession. Maybe they will now relent and show the u18 match against Scotland at FIRA.

stellenbosch

Gordon Gecko wrote: »

I've never really seen the point of 19s and think any arguments for it have been further eroded by players skipping to 20s. That's resulted in the team's prestige being downgraded (slightly) and, as one poster referred to, players who should never have been there being in the team. I think the level should be set at u21s to mirror the club structure that these players are either already playing or about to play.

Thanks but let me give you an alternative viewpoint!

Leinster U18 schools had 20 players on the Irish schools and there were others who were very good and did not make the squad. The fact that 5 or 6 of those have gone to the u20s is a reflection of the huge quality that that group and those players possess. it would be unusual but its also very good i believe. Are you seriously saying that the other 14/15 or 16 players would have no representative rugby at u19 level? Of course its a development programme and it will clearly serve Leinster rugby well as these players to continue to learn and develop by being part of a squad and training over the July and August period and playing interpros in september. A lot of the players will then go back into school as they did when playing for the u18s.

I do have a degree of sympathy for the view of not having two teams but definitely one is necessary and is mirrored in the other countries.

TheTalk

There is a point for u19 as for those still in school.
Would Nick Timoney and Fergal Cleary be good enough for u20s? Yes they would.
Would James Ryan start for u20s? Yes he would.
But they can't play for Ireland u20s because of the cup.
Players need the confidence and opportunity.

opinionatedfan

names to watch out for(Leinster under 19)

Jeremy Loughman
Eric O'Sullivan
Oliver Jager
Hugh O'Donnell
Andrew Roche
Graham Reynolds
David O'Connor
Patrick Thornton
Alex Penny
Nick Timoney
Tim Schmidt
Charlie Rock
James McCormack
Fergal Cleary
Cormac Brennan
Michael Courtney
Adam Leavy
Andy Marks
Cian O’Donoghue
Zach O'Hagan

Hagz

I thought the under 19 was stopping?

opinionatedfan

Hagz wrote: »

I thought the under 19 was stopping?

its going from two under 19 teams to one afaik

Hagz

Is Rory Parata any relation to Andrew Parata?

matTNT

What do you guys think of James Maxwell/Steve MacMahon, pretty good players from what I've seen.

lurtz

matTNT wrote: »

What do you guys think of James Maxwell/Steve MacMahon, pretty good players from what I've seen.

was mcmahon dropped from irish schools cos of the spear or just dropped?

matTNT

lurtz wrote: »

was mcmahon dropped from irish schools cos of the spear or just dropped?

I reckon he would have started they had to ban him after that tackle, but it wasn't as bad as it looked.

lurtz

Keith Murphy, Munster U19 Head Coach, has named his initial squad of 26 players with 10 players in reserve.
Head Coaches of the Munster U18 Clubs (Noel O’Meara) and Munster U18 Schools (Mark Butler) will confirm their respective squads of 26 plus 10 reserve players following player fitness testing which will take place from Monday, 13th May to Friday, 17th May in Limerick (UL), Cork (CIT) and Tipperary (Rockwell College).

Greig Oliver, Munster U20 Head Coach will confirm his final selection in the coming weeks.

The confirmed 26 selected players per squad will attend the five week Munster Rugby Talent Camp programme at Rockwell College this summer to prepare for Munster's Interprovincial campaigns scheduled for September.

Munster U19 Squad : Brendan Quinlan (Rockwell College), Mike O’Donnell (Crescent College), Liam O’Connor (CBC), Denis O’Connell (Rockwell College), Sean McNulty (Rockwell College), Jack Boland (Glenstal Abbey School), Frank Bradshaw Ryan (Ard Scoil Ris), Aaron Hogan (Youghal), Darragh Power (Waterpark), Michael Murphy (PBC), Ben Kilkenny (St. Munchins), Cormac Blake (Crescent College), Jay Kavanagh (Crescent College), Connell Dodd (Waterpark), Paul Obande (Ard Scoil Ris), Jack Cullen (Saracens/Exiles), David O’Mahony (Rockwell College), Dylan Horgan (Highfield), Tomas Quinlan (CBC), Edward O’Keeffe (St. Munchins), Robbie Deegan (Ard Scoil Ris), JJ O’Neill (Crescent College), Steven McMahon (Rockwell College), Stephen Fitzgerald (Ard Scoil Ris), Eathon Moloney (Garryowen), Kevin O’Keeffe (Glenstal Abbey School. Reserve Squad: Tobi Ademakin (Garryowen), Jack O’Halloran (Ard Scoil Ris), Luke O’Halloran (St. Munchins), Idris Rqibi (Skibbereen), Jonathan Keane (Crescent College), Gareth Molloy (Waterpark), Brion Moriarity (Ard Scoil Ris), Aidan Moynihan (Rockwell College), Sean Cremin (Kanturk), Eoin O’Carroll (Tralee), Fionn McGibney (Garryowen), Shane McAuliffe (CBC).

Munster U18 Clubs: Philip Poylett (Clonakilty), Paddy Butler (Highfield), Ben Betts (Young Munster), Keith O’Riordan (Cashel), Luke Cantwell (Waterpark), Dylan Murphy (Bantry), Dylan Power (Waterpark), Philip Daly (Abbeyfeale), Sean Foyle (Highfield), Luke Kelly (Thurles), Josh Barnes (Tralee), Michael Doughan (Nenagh), Sean O’Leary (Midleton), Dylan Reeves-Wasik (Bruff), Mike Casey (Bantry), Daniel O’Driscoll (Waterpark), Robbie Walsh (Waterpark), Karl Clifford (Young Munster), Aaron Dunne (Shannon), David Pierce (Waterpark), Karl Madden (Young Munster), Ryan Minihan (Young Munster), Isaac Mansfield Daly (Waterpark), Jimmy Aherne (Cork Constitution), Hugh O’Brien (Garryowen), David Kavanagh (Waterpark), Paul O’Keeffe (Kanturk), Tim Cronin (Bantry), Joe White (Clonakilty), Mike Mulally (Tralee), Brian Cahill (Ennis), Darragh Fanning (Bruff), Colm Connolly (Sunday’s Well), Liam Treacy (Bruff), Brian Fanning (Bruff), Nathan Clancy (Garryowen), James O’Connor (Tralee).

Munster U18 Schools: Joseph Ring (PBC), Kelvin Browne (Ard Scoil Ris), Willie Coffey (Rockwell College), Jake O’Donovan (PBC), Tommy Anglim (Rockwell College), Billy O’Hora (Crescent College), Shane O’Hanlon (CBC), Brian McLoughlin (Rockwell College), Michael Boland (Glenstal Abbey School), David O’Dwyer (Rockwell College), Sean Fitzpatrick (Crescent College), Gary O’Sullivan (Crescent College), Greg Roche (CBC), Rory Cunningham (Castletroy College), Alan McMahon (Rockwell College), Colm Fitzgerald (CBC), John Poland (PBC), Ben O’Callaghan (CBC), Shane Fenton (Ard Scoil Ris), Ben Riley (Rockwell College), Vincent O’Brien (CBC), David O’Sullivan (PBC), Peter Meyer (St Munchins), Bill Johnston (Rockwell College), Evan Mintern (CBC), Jack Harrington (Crescent College), Sean O’Connor (Rockwell College), Dave O’Mahony (Ard Scoil Ris), Cian Barry (CBC), Paul Kiernan (PBC), David Lynch (CBC), Calvin Nash (Crescent College), Ronan Murphy (Castletroy College), Michael Clune (CBC), Caolan O’Flynn (PBC), Rory Horgan (Rockwell College).

the baby bull elephant

opinionatedfan wrote: »

names to watch out for(Leinster under 19)

Jeremy Loughman
Eric O'Sullivan
Oliver Jager
Hugh O'Donnell
Andrew Roche
Graham Reynolds
David O'Connor
Patrick Thornton
Alex Penny
Nick Timoney
Tim Schmidt
Charlie Rock
James McCormack
Fergal Cleary
Cormac Brennan
Michael Courtney
Adam Leavy
Andy Marks
Cian O’Donoghue
Zach O'Hagan

Pretty sure Eric O'Sullivan is playing u18s again.

lurtz

Cian Kelleher gone to connacht for 20s,Gavin Tynan as well

its_phil

lurtz wrote: »

Cian Kelleher gone to connacht for 20s,Gavin Tynan as well

Really? Academy?

its_phil

Connacht have recruited Gavin Tynan, Cian Kelleher and Jack Feeny for their U20 squad. Very good strengthening of the squad and considering they will be favourites for the title too.

Dissapointed not to see Oisin Heffernan return though.

ormond lad

Hagz wrote: »

Is Rory Parata any relation to Andrew Parata?

Not that im aware of

matTNT wrote: »

What do you guys think of James Maxwell/Steve MacMahon, pretty good players from what I've seen.

Good players. Steve was good when in East Munster and always stood out when playing u/age with Dungarvan

lurtz wrote: »

Cian Kelleher gone to connacht for 20s,Gavin Tynan as well

Good moves for them and Connacht

its_phil wrote: »

Really? Academy?

Prob just playing 20s

lurtz

kelleher is in contention for an academy place

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/600909_455085881246225_1010338037_n.jpg

20s squad

opinionatedfan

Good move for both those guys, neither are much of a loss to the Leinster setup.

Leinster5

Shocked to see Cian Kelleher moving to Connact. There must be a mistake there because he'd start for Leinster 20's.

opinionatedfan

Leinster5 wrote: »

Shocked to see Cian Kelleher moving to Connact. There must be a mistake there because he'd start for Leinster 20's.

not at fullback he wouldn't

opinionatedfan

the baby bull elephant wrote: »

Pretty sure Eric O'Sullivan is playing u18s again.

yeah youre right, my mistake.

Hagz

ormond lad wrote: »

Not that im aware og

Might just be me, but they look oddly similar. Maybe they're long lost cousins.

Quint2010

Leinster5 wrote: »

Shocked to see Cian Kelleher moving to Connact. There must be a mistake there because he'd start for Leinster 20's.

He must want to play FB and with Dardis seemingly being moved to 20's his best bet is Connacht.

lurtz

Leinster5 wrote: »

Shocked to see Cian Kelleher moving to Connact. There must be a mistake there because he'd start for Leinster 20's.

he might be taking an academy contract there

shawneebuy

Are any of Leinster youths rated, none mentioned so far.

Hagz

shawneebuy wrote: »

Are any of Leinster youths rated, none mentioned so far.

I've heard good things about an out-half Conor O'Brien.

opinionatedfan

Hagz wrote: »

I've heard good things about an out-half Conor O'Brien.

under-18 again next year afaik

RuggerLad222

Leinster5 wrote: »

Update on Leinster u20 squad :

St. Michaels
-Daniel Leavy, Rory O'Loughlin, Cian Kelleher, Richie Allen, Ross Molony, Josh Murphy, Denis Coulson, Ross Byrne & Nick McCarthy

Blackrock
-Peter Robb, Sean Coughlan

Clongowes
-Peadar Timmins

Terenure
-Robert Summerville, Billy Dardis, Stephen O'Neill & Harrison Brewer

Others :
-Shane Delahunt, Jack O'Neill, Conor McKeon & Rory Maloney

That's all my friend(involved in Leinster coaching set-up) could cough up earlier.

Belvedere also have two players who have been chosen for the Leinster U20's for the coming season in Ivan Soroka (Prop) and Ger Young (Centre/Outhalf)

stellenbosch

the baby bull elephant wrote: »

Pretty sure Eric O'Sullivan is playing u18s again.

He is going into 6th year BUT IS u19 next year..

BigHeel

shawneebuy wrote: »

Are any of Leinster youths rated, none mentioned so far.

Andrew Purcell in the backrow is one to watch.

Creeby

Anybody else interested in seeing what club(s) the current 6th years in Terenure are going to next year? Would I be right in saying most past pupils join Terenure rfc but that club hasn't really been on par with the likes of Belvo, Landsdowne etc in recent times? Could be interesting

FellasFellas

Creeby wrote: »

Anybody else interested in seeing what club(s) the current 6th years in Terenure are going to next year? Would I be right in saying most past pupils join Terenure rfc but that club hasn't really been on par with the likes of Belvo, Landsdowne etc in recent times? Could be interesting

O'Neill is going to Belvedere afaik. Don't know about Brewer, Dardis is going to UCD. Patrick Thornton's brother is UCD's 10 so maybe he'd come to UCD too.

lurtz

Creeby wrote: »

Anybody else interested in seeing what club(s) the current 6th years in Terenure are going to next year? Would I be right in saying most past pupils join Terenure rfc but that club hasn't really been on par with the likes of Belvo, Landsdowne etc in recent times? Could be interesting

matt madigan and jack o'neill meant to be going to lansdowne I hear

CGD

Heard O'Neill and Brewer staying in Terenure. Won't be much movement until end of May when UCD will be releasingwho they will give partial scholarships to

FellasFellas

lurtz wrote: »

matt madigan and jack o'neill meant to be going to lansdowne I hear

Sean Coughlan too.

FellasFellas

CGD wrote: »

Heard O'Neill and Brewer staying in Terenure. Won't be much movement until end of May when UCD will be releasingwho they will give partial scholarships to

I've heard that Dardis, Molony and Moloney are all on those scholarships to UCD.

CGD

FellasFellas wrote: »

I've heard that Dardis, Molony and Moloney are all on those scholarships to UCD.

Any up and coming back row won't get a look in at UCD next season. so many good ones there and still underage and plenty overage for senior team as well Big scholarships are done the rest may be on smaller scholarships covering fees etc

the baby bull elephant

stellenbosch wrote: »

He is going into 6th year BUT IS u19 next year..

Pretty sure Eric played in the Leinster u18 team against that English schools team.

stellenbosch

the baby bull elephant wrote: »

Pretty sure Eric played in the Leinster u18 team against that English schools team.

You could well be right as Jack Dwan also played in that game and he is definitely not U18 next year and in fact played in an u19 trial the following week!

FellasFellas

CGD wrote: »

Any up and coming back row won't get a look in at UCD next season. so many good ones there and still underage and plenty overage for senior team as well Big scholarships are done the rest may be on smaller scholarships covering fees etc

With Van Der Flier moving on from 21's, and there will be absences throughout the year with Timmons gone for both interpros and Ireland 20's. There is certainly an opportunity for a backrower, especially one as good as Moloney to get in there. The number of players used by UCD and Lansdowne this season was massive.

CGD

FellasFellas wrote: »

With Van Der Flier moving on from 21's, and there will be absences throughout the year with Timmons gone for both interpros and Ireland 20's. There is certainly an opportunity for a backrower, especially one as good as Moloney to get in there. The number of players used by UCD and Lansdowne this season was massive.

Leavy and Gilsean still there among others that didn't get a look in this year, Timmons will play plenty as well

opinionatedfan

CGD wrote: »

Leavy and Gilsean still there among others that didn't get a look in this year, Timmons will play plenty as well

Leavy was injured most of the year and assuming he is healthy next year will be spending more time with the Leinster and Ireland 20s teams.

CGD

opinionatedfan wrote: »

Leavy was injured most of the year and assuming he is healthy next year will be spending more time with the Leinster and Ireland 20s teams.

They will be there for the start of the 21 season and miss games between January and March and willl be around for the end of the league, All Ireland, McCorry etc

My opinion is that back rows with ambition won't get ahead of them or get a chance to compete for an Irish 20's spot plenty of other clubs for them to go to where they will start and get a chance to impress and not be pushed aside when the great ones such as Leavy and co return and better for rugby in general if all the top ads aren't in the same club or college competing against each other when they could be tars on other teams

FellasFellas

CGD wrote: »

They will be there for the start of the 21 season and miss games between January and March and willl be around for the end of the league, All Ireland, McCorry etc

My opinion is that back rows with ambition won't get ahead of them or get a chance to compete for an Irish 20's spot plenty of other clubs for them to go to where they will start and get a chance to impress and not be pushed aside when the great ones such as Leavy and co return and better for rugby in general if all the top ads aren't in the same club or college competing against each other when they could be tars on other teams

Gilsenan plays mens, hasn't turned out for 21's all year, he's been injured for half the season anyway. The squad rotation in both big sides UCD and Lansdowne is massive. There's rarely the same 23 out there every weekend. People like Leavy haven't played that much all year for anyone really, be it Leinster or their club. Same with Tom Farrell in Lansdowne. The people who are on scholarships in colleges like trinity and ucd make up the minority, there's players there that play all season and do just as good a job as the person they seem to be "being pushed aside" for as you put it.

opinionatedfan

I wonder what will happen with Tom Farrell

CGD

FellasFellas wrote: »

Gilsenan plays mens, hasn't turned out for 21's all year, he's been injured for half the season anyway. The squad rotation in both big sides UCD and Lansdowne is massive. There's rarely the same 23 out there every weekend. People like Leavy haven't played that much all year for anyone really, be it Leinster or their club. Same with Tom Farrell in Lansdowne. The people who are on scholarships in colleges like trinity and ucd make up the minority, there's players there that play all season and do just as good a job as the person they seem to be "being pushed aside" for as you put it.

Leavy and Farrell were injured most of the season but when fit they did both come on in the McCorry Final. Leavy destined for greatness in my opinion. Farrell will just have to start again and probably hope to play some 21's at the start and then kick on with the Lansdowne senior team and hope to get an academy spot.

By the way vey few of the ucd premier squad are not on some sort of scholarship and definetly not the majority as u say. People would be shocked at the ucd rugby budget but is now coming under a bit more scrutiny. Biggest day for ucd will be against Shannon this weekend where if they win their players will be able to push on and play at the top level with UCD in 1a as with so many academy players Leinster want them to be playing at the top level

lurtz

opinionatedfan wrote: »

I wonder what will happen with Tom Farrell

was offered an ospreys place the last two years but he's staying with the sub academy I hear

opinionatedfan

lurtz wrote: »

was offered an ospreys place the last two years but he's staying with the sub academy I hear

Injury really hurt him this year, guess he is getting once more chance to make it at Leinster.

Hope he can get healthy and proves himself.

Quint2010

Creeby wrote: »

Anybody else interested in seeing what club(s) the current 6th years in Terenure are going to next year? Would I be right in saying most past pupils join Terenure rfc but that club hasn't really been on par with the likes of Belvo, Landsdowne etc in recent times? Could be interesting

Terenure RFC are really on the way back up. Won several junior titles this year plus they won Div 2A and will be be playing Div 1B next year. Be good to see a few of this years SCT being integrated.

TheTalk

Cian Kelleher a big loss to leinster IMO