Ethical Downloading?

Augmerson

Many the words ethical and downloading (downloading media like movies, music, games and also software) don't belong in the same sentence, but, I was wondering, is there anything that you wouldn't download?

Some people I know will download a brand new movie as soon as it's out. For them, they might not have the money or the time to go see it in the cinema. Others will download a piece of software because it's quite expensive to buy.

I download from the internet. I don't download new movies though. It's usually something I've seen before and want to see again, for instance something I once had on DVD or VHS but lent to someone and never got back. In that instance, I don't feel too bad about downloading the movie because at one stage, I did pay for it.

Gummy Panda

A car.

I have no parking space

cocoshovel

I would download anything. Do I feel guilty about it? No. However, If I download something and feel its worth the money I will buy it later on. I also dislike giving díckhead record companies my money, would much rather the artists have most of it.

Zascar

http://www.woosk.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/reasons_to_download_music.jpg

forfuxsake

a virus, not intentionally anyway.
kiddie porn.
animal porn.
domestic porn.

stimpson

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALZZx1xmAzg

Paparazzo

When I was younger all my mates music collection consisted of recorded tapes. The main difference now is you only recorded stuff you really wanted. Now if you hear a song you kind of like you download the bands entire back catalogue.

jester77

Paparazzo wrote: »

When I was younger all my mates music collection consisted of recorded tapes. The main difference now is you only recorded stuff you really wanted. Now if you hear a song you kind of like you download the bands entire back catalogue.

I must be using the internet wrong :eek:

Duggy747

Blank VHS was going to kill the industries

Blank Cassettes were going to kill the industries

Blank CDs were going to kill the industries

Blank DVDs were going to kill the industries

CD / DVD Burners were going to kill the industries.

Blank MiniDiscs were going to kill the industries.

Downloading was going to kill the industries.

Old business models and refusal to adapt will kill the industries............well, hamper them a bit, at least.

Augmerson

jester77 wrote: »

I must be using the internet wrong :eek:

Discography.

JohnMarston

An obscure or old movie or an old tv series you cannot buy i have no issue with downloading
If a new movie is that good i will buy the dvd. An increasing number of dvds or blu-rays in shops come with a digital copy now

RichieC

download ALL the internets!!!

MJ23

Movies, blues, music. Download it all. Unlimited data on my phone. Always downloading something. Sure why not?

hooradiation

I don't pirate because I buy things I want instead of taking them.

This makes me some kind of aberration, apparently.

fasttalkerchat

Download what I want. Pay for it if its worth paying for. The only exception is Microsoft software. IMO Microsoft Office is worth about £10 but I won't give them that because I need my tenner much more than they do!

Seachmall

Download everything from books to OSes.

Although I buy plenty of [kindle] books too.

Logical Fallacy

I don't download music, because I make music. Most of the music I buy is on small labels and made by relatively small artists, so i don't want to jerk them off by stealing there stuff. Especially as there is a good chance of meeting these people so i'd feel like a tool telling them how much i liked there latest release when i didn't even like it enough to pay for it.

TV shows and movies i have no problem downloading though.

fasttalkerchat

Seachmall wrote: »

Download everything from books to OSes.

Although I buy plenty of [kindle] books too.

Why do you pay Amazon for books? Almost nothing goes to the authors.

Seachmall

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

Why do you pay Amazon for books? Almost nothing goes to the authors.

Nothing goes to the author when I download them either.

It's not really an issue for me.

Gummy Panda

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

Seachmall wrote: »

Download everything from books to OSes.

Although I buy plenty of [kindle] books too.

Why do you pay Amazon for books? Almost nothing goes to the authors.

Why does author put the book on kindle then?

SouthTippBass

I dont feel guilty about downloading music, because we get shafted in so many other ways in this country. Every few months there seems to be a new tax, so I would rather save my disposable income where I could. Let the shafted become the shafter!

fasttalkerchat

Gummy Panda wrote: »

Why does author put the book on kindle then?

They make some money in addition to what they make form paper sales. Books get recognised and they get a wider audience.
I'm not saying Kindle is a bad thing, just that if you want to pay for something for ethical reasons it would be better to make a donation to the author or even to a library.

grindle

Gummy Panda wrote: »

Why does author put the book on kindle then?

Poverty experiment.

Anyway, as a publisher, Amazon pays much better than anyone else ever has, so fasttalker seems to be confusing Amazon grinding publishers (who've already payed the author) into the ground with them pulverising authors.
Multi-million-selling vanity-published books have been enabled by Amazon, creating millionaire authors.
This was impossible the old way, unless you or someone you knew was rich.

I download a good bit, but I'd happily switch to a reasonably-priced subscription service that had and will keep having everything, and that I didn't have to hack to work.
Difficult times for content creators thanks to the middlemen.

fasttalkerchat

Had a look into it and Amazon are now giving up to 70% of the profit to authors! Surprised me tbh. Seems that its the publishers who are being cut out.

c_man

I don't do physical media. Until they make it easier to do it the legal way (ala 4od and the likes) than illegal downloading will always win out.

sbsquarepants

I download pretty much whatever i want to see or hear. I'll go to the cinema if something really catches my eye cos certain films need the big screen to get the full effect. I'll go see live music from time to time. It doesn't cost the industry all that much cos most of what i download, i wouldn't have paid for anyway, i just get to see more, hear more than i would have otherwise, the industry looses very little it would have gained otherwise.

fasttalkerchat

c_man wrote: »

I don't do physical media. Until they make it easier to do it the legal way (ala 4od and the likes) than illegal downloading will always win out.

Even 4od is ruined by adverts. I prefer to download and not have to wait for buffering and ads.

Gummy Panda

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

c_man wrote: »

I don't do physical media. Until they make it easier to do it the legal way (ala 4od and the likes) than illegal downloading will always win out.

Even 4od is ruined by adverts. I prefer to download and not have to wait for buffering and ads.

And the 4od ads are old as hell. It's always the same Peep show or Secret Millionaires ad

Logical Fallacy

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

Why do you pay Amazon for books? Almost nothing goes to the authors.

An authors cut from Kindle is twice what it is from a traditional publisher.

fasttalkerchat

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

An authors cut from Kindle is twice what it is from a traditional publisher.

Is that in terms of % or actual cash?
Usually the book on kindle must be 20% less than the minimum selling price to get a decent return from kindle. (Going by what Amazon say).
This led me to believe that they will give you 50% of a fiver instead of 30% of a tenner.

derfderf

I always said i wouldn't download games that were still available to buy. Then i bought a wii. **** you nintendo.

shancoduff

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

I don't download music, because I make music. Most of the music I buy is on small labels and made by relatively small artists, so i don't want to jerk them off by stealing there stuff. Especially as there is a good chance of meeting these people so i'd feel like a tool telling them how much i liked there latest release when i didn't even like it enough to pay for it.

TV shows and movies i have no problem downloading though.

I love getting legally free music from up and coming bands on bandcamp etc. If they're Irish or touring here it will often convince me to go to one of their shows and recommend them to others.

fasttalkerchat

shancoduff wrote: »

I love getting legally free music from up and coming bands on bandcamp etc. If they're Irish or touring here it will often convince me to go to one of their shows and recommend them to others.

The real money these days is from concert tickets so that's a smart move from them.

Download laws are stupid because you can't steal what doesn't exist! It's not like stealing a car its like being charged for looking at a car.

o1s1n

/Hippy hat

I download to save the planet from industrial polution related to the production of physical media.

Zascar

It's like those ads in the cinema. "Your wouldn't steal a handbag.... You wouldn't steal a car"... Well, I would steal a car if it was still there the next day when the owner came to drive it to work.

Calibos

Don't feel guily about downloading TV shows. Pay full sub to UPC where all the shows will be shown on one channel or another at some time or another. The program makers are getting my money regardless.

I just want to be able to watch it when I want to watch it and be able to search for the show I want at a mouse click rather than scroll through a weeks schedule of each of the 150 channels to find it and set the dvr to record it and then lose it when the hardrive in the dvr is full or lose picture quality if I archive it off the DVR.

Downloading from would iTunes still put limitations on me and its swapping one middle man for another between me and the programme makers. Illegal downloading in combo with full sub UPC means the program makers still get paid, I still get the other content on UPC that is not regularily uploaded to the internet and I get to view the content how I want it.

Technically illegal but not immoral IMHO.

frozenfrozen

I don't download movies mostly because I just never watch movies but I can see why somebody would choose to download rather than buy, you pay an inflated price to have to watch a bunch of ads, including the "YOU WOULDNT STEAL A BABY" ones which are the worst. And if you download you just get the movie and instantly get to watch it.

I use adblocker pro, that's just as immoral if you ask me, I don't feel bad. This gives me a better user experience, same thing with downloading music, I can get a whole FLAC high quality discography or each album in 256kbps, it would be ridiculous to pay more for a lesser product.

If I can have your money; you can't have your money.

davpigboy

Downloading is having a strong enough effective look at my name is earl being cancelled even though it's much better than any of the Simpson ****e being produced don't think it will stop me downloading though

charlietheminxx

frozenfrozen wrote: »

I don't download movies mostly because I just never watch movies but I can see why somebody would choose to download rather than buy, you pay an inflated price to have to watch a bunch of ads, including the "YOU WOULDNT STEAL A BABY" ones which are the worst.

This made me lol

Snowie

i buy my music.

Why because music needs to be bought in order for new music to be released bye e spending money on music means that more music comes over the past years look at the crap thats been released

so if you bye music, netter music will come..

as for holly wood movies. well I'm getting a bit sick of impossible stunts, I don't my the cartoon movies like iron man its supposed to be over the top as it is just a comic story. but these actions packed impossible ones that you see are doing my head in... die hard 4 being a perfect example of ott

sebastianlieken

According to Merriam Webster:

Theft is the act of stealing; specifically : the felonious taking and removing of personal property with intent to deprive the rightful owner of it.

Downloading stuff from the internet cannot by definition be Theft.

Rewind 30 years and a cd cost £30, it cost 2p to make the rest was profit, oh how the worm has turned, I dont feel the slightest bit sorry for some overpaid exec down to his/her last porsche not the slightest.Times have moved on pity you didnt.

Besides, half the content i'm downloading, I'd never even consider buying in the first place! They should just be chuffed that so many people are appreciating their artistic work.

Ghandee

I watched MTV cribs before.



Haven't ever felt guilty about downloading music since.

EdenHazard

Last albums I bought have been Olly Murs, Greyson Chance, Jason De Rulo One Direction and Ed Sheeran. New Bieber and Chris Brown albums out soon and not a hope I'll buy them. Bieber's rich beyond his wildest dreams and Chris Brown, this is his fourth album in 6 years

crapmanjoe

EdenHazard wrote: »

Last albums I bought have been Olly Murs, Greyson Chance, Jason De Rulo One Direction and Ed Sheeran. New Bieber and Chris Brown albums out soon and not a hope I'll buy them.

Bit of off topic but you should have your album purchasing privileges removed after buying that kind of nonsense.

longhalloween

Buy a dvd:
Put it in, loads of credits, trailers, menu screens, INFACT warnings, The 'this movie should be bought not rented' warning then finally the movie plays.

Download the movie:
Movie plays.

I torrented Iron Man 1 a while back. The torrent file had the HD movie, trailers, extra features, jpegs of the promo posters and the soundtrack included.

If I bought it I wouldn't get half of that.

fasttalkerchat

EdenHazard wrote: »

Last albums I bought have been Olly Murs, Greyson Chance, Jason De Rulo One Direction and Ed Sheeran. New Bieber and Chris Brown albums out soon and not a hope I'll buy them. Bieber's rich beyond his wildest dreams and Chris Brown, this is his fourth album in 6 years

This is what happens when people pay for music! If we didn't donate to record labels Justin Beiber, Xfactor etc. wouldn't exist.

EdenHazard

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

This is what happens when people pay for music! If we didn't donate to record labels Justin Beiber, Xfactor etc. wouldn't exist.

I've been a Bieber fan since like late 2007, when he was a bit of a youtube sensation but that's all. No record deal, no nothing, just him making a name for himself. When his album came out I had to buy it. So many people don't even know the full story, the ammount of people that don't know he got himself noticed is staggering!
Olly Murs is a legend, so don't diss him, same with Ed Sheeran and Greyson Chance.

conor.hogan.2

Downloading Open Source software is ethical, very ethical.

BunShopVoyeur

EdenHazard wrote: »

Last albums I bought have been Olly Murs, Greyson Chance, Jason De Rulo One Direction and Ed Sheeran. New Bieber and Chris Brown albums out soon and not a hope I'll buy them.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Amirani

sebastianlieken wrote: »

Rewind 30 years and a cd cost £30, it cost 2p to make the rest was profit

If you pay a mechanic €100 to fix your car and he uses no new parts, is he making €100 profit?

The price you pay for the CD is effectively paying the labour costs of the band, plus profit (for them and the record company). I don't pay for physical copies of media, only live performances.

mikom

EdenHazard wrote: »

Last albums I bought have been Olly Murs, Greyson Chance, Jason De Rulo One Direction and Ed Sheeran.

Sounds like you downloaded teh "gay" as well.