Who do you think won the Cold War ?

Stiffler2

As the title suggests "Who Do you think won the Cold War"

We know there was no winner / loser and no actual war, just the threat of it between the USA & the Soviets


IMO the Soviets came out the winners until their demise in 1991. Here's why I think that :


Soviets = First man in Space
Soviets = First satelite in Space

When the americans built the blackbird to spy on the soviets they had satelites flying over America taking pictures - a little more advanced than a plane.

What did the USA have / win during the cold war
an atomic bomb although the soviets weren't far behind with theirs.


So in your opinion although no winner / loser who do you think came out on top, during not after communism fell since it was just a race

Interested to hear your opinions.


The Stiff-meister

kfallon

Stiffler2 wrote: »

As the title suggests "Who Do you think won the Cold War"

We know there was no winner / loser and no actual war, just the threat of it between the USA & the Soviets


IMO the Soviets came out the winners until their demise in 1991. Here's why I think that :


Soviets = First man in Space
Soviets = First satelite in Space

When the americans built the blackbird to spy on the soviets they had satelites flying over America taking pictures - a little more advanced than a plane.

What did the USA have / win during the cold war
an atomic bomb although the soviets weren't far behind with theirs.


So in your opinion although no winner / loser who do you think came out on top, during not after communism fell since it was just a race

Interested to hear your opinions.


The Stiff-meister

There's your answer, no?

Next thread please......

seamus

In reality we all won because most of the really big technological advances that we use today can be directly traced back to cold war research projects.

The King of Moo

The Illuminati.

GetWithIt

Reagan. Single-handedly during an arm wrestling match with Gorbachev in Reykjavik.

FACT.

Bannasidhe

Stiffler2 wrote: »

As the title suggests "Who Do you think won the Cold War"

We know there was no winner / loser and no actual war, just the threat of it between the USA & the Soviets


IMO the Soviets came out the winners until their demise in 1991. Here's why I think that :


Soviets = First man in Space
Soviets = First satelite in Space

When the americans built the blackbird to spy on the soviets they had satelites flying over America taking pictures - a little more advanced than a plane.

What did the USA have / win during the cold war
an atomic bomb although the soviets weren't far behind with theirs.


So in your opinion although no winner / loser who do you think came out on top, during not after communism fell since it was just a race

Interested to hear your opinions.


The Stiff-meister

China.

The Soviet Union fell due in the main to economic problems.
The USA is in serious financial trouble and the country that holds their IOU is China.

seamus

GetWithIt wrote: »

Reagan. Single-handedly during an arm wrestling match with Gorbachev in Reykjavik.

I should hope so. It's illegal to use two hands in an arm wrestling match.

Sleepy

seamus wrote: »

In reality we all won because most of the really big technological advances that we use today can be directly traced back to cold war research projects.

That and it managed to reach a conclusion that wasn't the nuclear winter so heavily theorised at the time...

The King of Moo

Needs soundtrack:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoeLqtetizo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTOQUnvI3CA

Stiffler2

seamus wrote: »

In reality we all won because most of the really big technological advances that we use today can be directly traced back to cold war research projects.

Good post Seamus, I agree 100%.
alot of technology comes out of wars. Sure look what the nazi's invented :

Rockets / missiles.
jet engines
rocket planes
pistol with a clip - kruger

sonar - not sure which side this came from during WW2
radar - again - not sure which side it came from during WW2

and of course atomic energy

I often wonder if WW2 never happened we wouldn't be jetting away on holidays, wouldn't have put a man in space, wouldn't have sonar / radar etc...

anyway I agree with ya

Bill G

Second that, China

FishHook

I'd say the Soviets were winning in the 1950s and into the early 1960s. Communism spread a lot in that timeframe.

They were losing long before the collapse of the USSR, in 1991, though. They fell behind in the space race in the second half of the sixties. With regard to technology, they fell noticeable behind from about the late seventies, onwards.

foxyboxer

Apollo > Sputnik/Gagarin

analucija

Since there wasn't any direct war, only two things you can measure are the world dominance and survival. USA won. Who invented what and when is completely irrelevant.

Witcher

Stiffler2 wrote: »

pistol with a clip - kruger

How was that a Nazi invention?

SEPT 23 1989

Rocky IV

eyescreamcone

In my mind two moments stick with me as to when the war was won

Ronnie Reagan started on about a "star wars" system that could shoot down Soviet nukes, thus clearing the way for US nukes to blow mother Russia to bits...USSR then threw in the towel (this actually happened in the Frankie video)

My favourite moment though was after Rocky Balboa beat Ivan Drago in an unsanctioned bout in Moscow. Rocky said to the Russians and the world "If I can change...and you can change...etc etc"

Thus the cold war ended.
T&C apply.
Based on a true story!

eyescreamcone

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Rocky IV

...and fools seldom differ
You beat me to it!

ejmaztec

The West lost in the end, because it led to ultra-violent organised criminals from former Communist countries spilling over the borders and spreading their sh1t across the entire planet.

rednik

Bord Gais.

cml387

SONAR - British
RADAR - British

So Britain won the Cold War

RichieC

It wasn't a war, it was an arms race and an excuse to keep the huge budget the military was receiving during the second world war.

Faolchu

who ever had one of these

coz they were warm

housetypeb

The freezer won, the fridge gave up.

c_man

So dismiss the breaking of the atom, give a lot of credit to the Soviets for theirs (should be thanking spies tbh) and don't mention the Moon landing...



Anyways last week I had a Big Mac meal overlooking Checkpoint Charlie. Tastes like... western victory. And salt.

Chuck Stone

seamus wrote: »

In reality we all won because most of the really big technological advances that we use today can be directly traced back to cold war research projects.

War/conflict may advance certain fields of technology but to make the claim that the cold war was a win for humanity requires great leaps of imagination.

Huge amounts of time, energy, and resources were consumed making things with only one use - death and destruction on an unimaginable scale.

Also, it's impossible to say whether or not these technological advances would have happened regardless of the cold war.

davet82

housetypeb wrote: »

The freezer won, the fridge gave up.

i was gonna say the micro wave oven

Born to Die

The King of Moo wrote: »

The Illuminati.

My favourite answer to everything.

foxyboxer

Chuck Stone wrote: »

War/conflict may advance certain fields of technology but to make the claim that the cold war was a win for humanity requires great leaps of imagination.

Huge amounts of time, energy, and resources were consumed making things with only one use - death and destruction on an unimaginable scale.

Also, it's impossible to say whether or not these technological advances would have happened regardless of the cold war.

We're still here. Thermonuclear war was a very real possibility.

ejmaztec

c_man wrote: »

So dismiss the breaking of the atom, give a lot of credit to the Soviets for theirs (should be thanking spies tbh) and don't mention the Moon landing...



Anyways last week I had a Big Mac meal overlooking Checkpoint Charlie. Tastes like... western victory. And salt.

I think that was done by the British i.e. Rutherford.

foxyboxer

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Rocky IV

Rambo 3 was also a defining moment in the Cold War.

Chuck Stone

foxyboxer wrote: »

We're still here. Thermonuclear war was a very real possibility.

Avoiding the self-inflicted extinction of the species over ideology can hardly be claimed as an achievement.

Can it?

WTF lads?

foxyboxer

ejmaztec wrote: »

I think that was done by the British i.e. Rutherford.

He discovered the Nucleus and proposed the first model of the atom (subsequently discredited) and he was a Kiwi.

TwoShedsJackson

Stiffler2 wrote: »

IMO the Soviets came out the winners until their demise in 1991.

So the Soviets were winning right up to the moment where the country collapsed totally, with an economy utterly devestated by the Arms Race that took place during the Cold War.

More piercing analysis from The Stiff-Meister...

Laika1986

Hitler won the start of WWII doesn't mean he won the war

ejmaztec

foxyboxer wrote: »

He discovered the Nucleus and proposed the first model of the atom (subsequently discredited) and he was a Kiwi.

Well that's alright then, innit?:P

ReacherCreature

Stiffler2 wrote: »

As the title suggests "Who Do you think won the Cold War"

The US.

IMO the Soviets came out the winners until their demise in 1991. Here's why I think that :


Soviets = First man in Space
Soviets = First satelite in Space

Soviets failed in Afghanistan, for one, and it remained a bleeding wound on the Union.

Space is nice and and all but their moves "on earth" should be evaluated.

When the americans built the blackbird to spy on the soviets they had satelites flying over America taking pictures

?

What did the USA have / win during the cold war
an atomic bomb although the soviets weren't far behind with theirs.

US were successful during the Cold War. During the 80s, early 90s, the US armed forces were probably the best in the world. An increase in education, intelligence and focus on success meant that today's army has roots in the period after Vietnam.

Thrill

A timely thread given Russias warning today. Cold war simmering....

Russia warns on Nato missiles plan

http://www.breakingnews.ie/world/russia-warns-on-nato-missiles-plan-550099.html

Russia’s top military officer has threatened to launch a pre-emptive strike if Nato goes ahead with controversial plans for a missile defence system in Eastern Europe.

Chief of General Staff Nikolai Makarov went even further today.

“A decision to use destructive force pre-emptively will be taken if the situation worsens,” he said.

Russian Defence Minister Anatoly Serdyukov also warned that talks between Moscow and Washington on the topic are “close to a dead end”.

Gulp.

Cork boy 55

Joe Higgans

Herrick

The penguins.

pipelaser

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanislav_Petrov

This Guy won the Cold War. Sounds like he was one cool customer!

tony007

seamus wrote: »

In reality we all won because most of the really big technological advances that we use today can be directly traced back to cold war research projects.

Yep, the pouring of taxpayer dollars into private entities so they can sell stuff back to us!
Capitalism at its finest!
Oh no, wait....

Zebra3

Stiffler2 wrote: »

As the title suggests "Who Do you think won the Cold War"

We know there was no winner / loser and no actual war, just the threat of it between the USA & the Soviets

There were many wars which were part of the Cold War including Vietnam and Korea.

I don't think the people of those countries as well as Laos and Cambodia (to name just a couple of others) particularly enjoyed being part of the Cold War.

themandan6611

i did when I put on me big jumper

goose2005

foxyboxer wrote: »

Apollo > Sputnik/Gagarin

Being able to provide a decent society for your people to live in rather trumps them both. The 'space race' was largely dick-waving, like having the tallest tower in the world - benefits were pretty minimal.

tony007

goose2005 wrote: »

Being able to provide a decent society for your people to live in rather trumps them both. The 'space race' was largely dick-waving, like having the tallest tower in the world - benefits were pretty minimal.

Yes, but not for the ones living in theThird world whose resources we exploit to keep the standard of living we have. Huzzah!

golden lane

there was never a cold war.....there was a propaganda war.....and capitalism won..

it will always win.....sharing is not a human trait.....and it causes stagnation.......

Zebra3

golden lane wrote: »

there was never a cold war.....there was a propaganda war.....and capitalism won..

it will always win.....sharing is not a human trait.....and it causes stagnation.......

But as we've seen, it's not capitalism all of a sudden when the rich gamblers lose.

tony007

Zebra3 wrote: »

But as we've seen, it's not capitalism all of a sudden when the rich gamblers lose.

Exactly. Or when they want the gov to socialise their debt/risk when it comes to developing eg high technology.

IM0

Stiffler2 wrote: »

As the title suggests "Who Do you think won the Cold War"

We know there was no winner / loser and no actual war, just the threat of it between the USA & the Soviets


IMO the Soviets came out the winners until their demise in 1991. Here's why I think that :


Soviets = First man in Space
Soviets = First satelite in Space

When the americans built the blackbird to spy on the soviets they had satelites flying over America taking pictures - a little more advanced than a plane.

What did the USA have / win during the cold war
an atomic bomb although the soviets weren't far behind with theirs.


So in your opinion although no winner / loser who do you think came out on top, during not after communism fell since it was just a race

Interested to hear your opinions.


The Stiff-meister

eh...hiroshima :eek:

golden lane

Zebra3 wrote: »

But as we've seen, it's not capitalism all of a sudden when the rich gamblers lose.

the whole country gambled........only the banks were guarenteed, by the government.....but that was only to keep worried investers (pension funds, mainly german).....from stopping investing......to keep a dying economy going.......and the people were happy to carry on being rich........for a while longer..