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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,217 ✭✭✭Justin10


    Guys if he thinks Gordon is a top ten running back then you draft him in the 1st....this whole devaluation of running backs is nonsense.

    IF you think you have an LT or AP you draft him in the first, especially if he fills a need,now there is an argument that TT over values the running back position.

    I have zero issue with Gordon,he is who I'd pick,i just have a problem with the cost. Also you can't just trade down, you need a trading partner,and a good deal.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,217 ✭✭✭Justin10


    Also a guy I really like is Beckham the wide receiver...big character issues but he should fall down in the draft due to him not playing last year,reminds me of Vincent Jackson


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,286 ✭✭✭OAOB


    Ilb is needed but I wouldn't mind kicking the tyres on spike, surprised no one picked him up in FA.

    Rochey, I think you can get very serviceable backs elsewhere in the draft. Even if he's BPA it doesn't necessarily mean he's a good value pick at 17. TT obviously rates him a lot higher than me but I think round 1 was too early for any RB other than Gurley


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,217 ✭✭✭Justin10


    Deflated with that pick but the scouts and experts seem to love it.

    Could there be a trade for Butler on the horizon?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,256 ✭✭✭Molly


    Not what I was expecting.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,999 ✭✭✭tripperman


    ilb and cornerback, didn't think we needed cb tho, i like perriman


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,286 ✭✭✭OAOB


    Yeah they're not two positions i thought we'd be drafting but with Gachkar gone and Butler probably being **** again we only have Te'o and Connors on the roster.
    CB is a head scratcher, we already have 5 on the roster and they were all signed by TT.
    I'd go Smelter in round 5, huge reward for medium risk


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,999 ✭✭✭tripperman


    OAOB wrote: »
    Yeah they're not two positions i thought we'd be drafting but with Gachkar gone and Butler probably being **** again we only have Te'o and Connors on the roster.
    CB is a head scratcher, we already have 5 on the roster and they were all signed by TT.
    I'd go Smelter in round 5, huge reward for medium risk

    I don't mind ilb we were short there and perryman iis a good player for the rooster, but six cbs what they going do with that many 5 was plenty, I haven't any knowledge of anyone left on the board now


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,217 ✭✭✭Justin10


    One if them corners on the roster could be seen as a safety.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,286 ✭✭✭OAOB


    Rochey18 wrote:
    One if them corners on the roster could be seen as a safety.


    Either a safety or a bust


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,999 ✭✭✭tripperman


    Kyle Emanuel anyone know anything about this olb??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,217 ✭✭✭Justin10


    OAOB wrote: »
    Either a safety or a bust

    Nickle with one of our Free agents at safety.

    Emanual has a decent amount of sacks will be a back up straight away and should contribute on special teams.

    Would fully expect us to be active in free agency BTW roster not near set yet


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,999 ✭✭✭tripperman


    Rochey18 wrote: »
    Nickle with one of our Free agents at safety.

    Emanual has a decent amount of sacks will be a back up straight away and should contribute on special teams.

    Would fully expect us to be active in free agency BTW roster not near set yet

    Yeah I'm expecting more additions to the olb not sure we have enough cover there or at wr think there be a good few undrafted free agents looked at in case of a gem like Brandon Oliver been missed by anyone


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,017 ✭✭✭Leslie91


    Still in shock at the 3rd round pick....

    Hope it ain't Jonas feckin Mouton all over again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,286 ✭✭✭OAOB


    I don't mind the pick. He had a brilliant East West shrine game and is a complete athlete. I wonder is he looked at as a SS by us.

    I like the fact that we got big hitters on defence, it would be nice to see us smashing teams and being the bully.

    I like our 6th round pick, he is sized as a DE more the DT but I would like to see him swap with Carrethers on 3rd down


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,217 ✭✭✭Justin10


    As you guys know Butler and Teo are two of my favourite guys on the team... But this guy Perryman looks to be exactly what we need... Check out his YouTube videos. Unbelievable intensity.

    Recommend top ten hits and push ups


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,999 ✭✭✭tripperman


    Rochey18 wrote: »
    As you guys know Butler and Teo are two of my favourite guys on the team... But this guy Perryman looks to be exactly what we need... Check out his YouTube videos. Unbelievable intensity.

    Recommend top ten hits and push ups

    I'm a big fan of Teo asweĺl, think butler could be better but I watched videos of Perelman and there good, still can't figure the round 3pick


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,017 ✭✭✭Leslie91


    Butler was horrific in 2014. I'm hoping Nolan can light a fire under his ass but I'm not holding my breath. Perryman is a better ILB right now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,017 ✭✭✭Leslie91


    Tom Telesco was doing some serious road showing with Bill the last couple of days. I don't think there was a radio show he was not on in SD. He talked about there being only 7 impact players in this draft (excluding QBs). By impact he meant real difference makers, can change a game. He said Melvin was the last one of the 7 he had in mind, the other 6 had gone before him.

    I reckon he meant Fowler, Cooper, White, Beasley, Gurley, Parker and Williams.

    Said he was very surprised Rams took Gurley. I reckon he/they were ****ting themselves when Miami were on the clock. Betcha they thought Miami would take Gordon (because they thought Miami would take Gurley). If they had we'd have taken Parker so will be interesting to see how Parker pans out now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,286 ✭✭✭OAOB


    Leslie91 wrote: »
    Butler was horrific in 2014. I'm hoping Nolan can light a fire under his ass but I'm not holding my breath. Perryman is a better ILB right now.

    Bold statement considering he's never played a down in the NFL.

    Lets not forget we were all delighted to resign Butler last year. He was terrible last year but he still easily had the most snaps out of any of our ILBs and even with Perryman on the roster i think he will again this year. He needs to find an aggressive streak, he was afraid to hit players last year


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,017 ✭✭✭Leslie91


    OAOB wrote: »
    Bold statement considering he's never played a down in the NFL.

    Lets not forget we were all delighted to resign Butler last year. He was terrible last year but he still easily had the most snaps out of any of our ILBs and even with Perryman on the roster i think he will again this year. He needs to find an aggressive streak, he was afraid to hit players last year

    LBs coming out of the U are NFL ready, esp this guy. I was happy to see Butler come back on that deal, no doubt about it. But he played like a guy who was taking the money and avoiding pain/injury. If that is who he really is he will not be a Charger for long nevermind a starter.

    Towards the end of last season he was out of the lineup more than in it. Kavell Connor saw much more time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,286 ✭✭✭OAOB


    Leslie91 wrote: »
    LBs coming out of the U are NFL ready, esp this guy. I was happy to see Butler come back on that deal, no doubt about it. But he played like a guy who was taking the money and avoiding pain/injury. If that is who he really is he will not be a Charger for long nevermind a starter.

    Towards the end of last season he was out of the lineup more than in it. Kavell Connor saw much more time.

    The U hasn't produced a linebacker of note in the last 5 or 6 years as far as i know. This fella looks good but don't crown him until he does it on Sundays.

    I'll wait until Butler has a second bad year before giving up hope completely; there could be extenuating circumstances. Most likely reason is he got too much money and doesn't care but it will all become apparent by his attitude this year

    Am i right in thinking the knock on Connors is he's too slow in coverage? I love him as a run stopper, really physical


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,017 ✭✭✭Leslie91


    OAOB wrote: »
    The U hasn't produced a linebacker of note in the last 5 or 6 years as far as i know. This fella looks good but don't crown him until he does it on Sundays.

    I'll wait until Butler has a second bad year before giving up hope completely; there could be extenuating circumstances. Most likely reason is he got too much money and doesn't care but it will all become apparent by his attitude this year

    Am i right in thinking the knock on Connors is he's too slow in coverage? I love him as a run stopper, really physical

    That's true but this guy will buck that trend... He will be closer to a Ray Lewis/Jon Beason than a Sean Spence say.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,286 ✭✭✭OAOB


    Hope you're right. It's time for TT to draft a few pro-bowlers,


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,017 ✭✭✭Leslie91


    The Rams picking Gurley was a real shock to me... they have a great young back in Mason and are in dire need of O line help. I wonder had they done what they should have and picked O line would the Dolphins have picked Gurley?

    And if they didn't I'd love to know which of Gurley/Gordon would TT have taken had both been there at 17. The Rams picking Gurley meant we had to move up i.e. I blame the dumb ass Rams front office for costing us our 4th rounder.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,999 ✭✭✭tripperman


    Leslie91 wrote: »
    The Rams picking Gurley was a real shock to me... they have a great young back in Mason and are in dire need of O line help. I wonder had they done what they should have and picked O line would the Dolphins have picked Gurley?

    And if they didn't I'd love to know which of Gurley/Gordon would TT have taken had both been there at 17. The Rams picking Gurley meant we had to move up i.e. I blame the dumb ass Rams front office for costing us our 4th rounder.

    Yeah would have been very interesting all right to see who tt picked out of both, i still doubt the texans was interested in gordon, the rams put a nice twist on the draft with gurley that wiĺl be interesting to watch as season unfolds who will be better graded at seasons end Gordon or Gurley, I reckon Gordon far better o lone in san diego to open run lanes for him


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,017 ✭✭✭Leslie91


    tripperman wrote: »
    Yeah would have been very interesting all right to see who tt picked out of both, i still doubt the texans was interested in gordon, the rams put a nice twist on the draft with gurley that wiĺl be interesting to watch as season unfolds who will be better graded at seasons end Gordon or Gurley, I reckon Gordon far better o lone in san diego to open run lanes for him

    In that interview TT was kinda asked who would have been his preference and while I can't remember his exact words I and others got the feeling it might have been Gurley. At least all going well healthwise Gordon will be starting for us in September. It'll be October at the earliest before we see Gurley I'd have thought.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,999 ✭✭✭tripperman


    Leslie91 wrote: »
    In that interview TT was kinda asked who would have been his preference and while I can't remember his exact words I and others got the feeling it might have been Gurley. At least all going well healthwise Gordon will be starting for us in September. It'll be October at the earliest before we see Gurley I'd have thought.

    I was thinking it be late October for Gurley Gordon is good to go, I'm trying figure out how the snaps will work out with Gordon woodhead Brown and Oliver


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,286 ✭✭✭OAOB


    I think Gurley will be playing before October, some people were saying week 1. I still think Gordon will be the better rookie as recovering from an ACL is bound to affect you but i reckon Gurely will end up the best pro. I'd be surprised if either are the top rushing rookie.

    Gordon starts with Oliver coming in to give him a breather, Woodhead mostly on 3rd down is the obvious set up. I can't see where Brown fits in the RB rotation apart from backup to the other 3.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,017 ✭✭✭Leslie91


    OAOB wrote: »
    I think Gurley will be playing before October, some people were saying week 1. I still think Gordon will be the better rookie as recovering from an ACL is bound to affect you but i reckon Gurely will end up the best pro. I'd be surprised if either are the top rushing rookie.

    Gordon starts with Oliver coming in to give him a breather, Woodhead mostly on 3rd down is the obvious set up. I can't see where Brown fits in the RB rotation apart from backup to the other 3.

    Donald Brown has to be a goner esp if cutting him past/before X date does not cost us too much.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,286 ✭✭✭OAOB


    I don't think there's any cap saving in cutting him but i'm open to correction on that. I'd be likely to keep him around for the pre-season in case of injuries but i don't think he should be on the roster come week 1. His versatility is his best asset, average runner, blocker and pass catcher.

    Actually i wonder how Gordon is at pass blocking? It was always a big knock on Matthews that he never developed the skills or vision for it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,017 ✭✭✭Leslie91


    OAOB wrote: »
    I don't think there's any cap saving in cutting him but i'm open to correction on that. I'd be likely to keep him around for the pre-season in case of injuries but i don't think he should be on the roster come week 1. His versatility is his best asset, average runner, blocker and pass catcher.

    Actually i wonder how Gordon is at pass blocking? It was always a big knock on Matthews that he never developed the skills or vision for it

    I've heard conflicting stories on his pass blocking. For example TT said he was a good pass pro.. others say he never really had to do it but when he did he was keen and had no problem sticking his head in but technique-wise had no clue.

    Sounds like something that will need to be coached up. Hopefully he won't be called on too much to pass pro. But we all know how that worked out with Ryan i.e. when he was in the game then it is defo a run.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,256 ✭✭✭Molly


    It was Brown's blocking that got Scrifes injured. La'el Collins would be a sweet addition. Unlikely though given the competition.

    Edit: Providing he is cleared.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,286 ✭✭✭OAOB


    Blocking on special teams is a lot different to offense, he picks up blitzes and stunts pretty well as a blocker.

    Don't think we've a shot at Collins, restricted budget for UDFA so you'd have to put the whole budget towards him. The Californian tax rates work against us too. Only chance would be to sign him and immediately do a new deal at low first round high second money but can't see it happening.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,017 ✭✭✭Leslie91


    OAOB wrote: »
    Blocking on special teams is a lot different to offense, he picks up blitzes and stunts pretty well as a blocker.

    Don't think we've a shot at Collins, restricted budget for UDFA so you'd have to put the whole budget towards him. The Californian tax rates work against us too. Only chance would be to sign him and immediately do a new deal at low first round high second money but can't see it happening.

    I'd still be shocked if he is on the 53. He's a goner unless BO or God forbid Gordon get injured early.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,286 ✭✭✭OAOB


    I just hope if injuries happen we don't pick up Ronnie Brown again


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,017 ✭✭✭Leslie91


    OAOB wrote: »
    I just hope if injuries happen we don't pick up Ronnie Brown again

    Now that would be funny!...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,999 ✭✭✭tripperman


    OAOB wrote: »
    I just hope if injuries happen we don't pick up Ronnie Brown again

    Rather see one of the two underrated f a rbs get on instead of ronnie


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,017 ✭✭✭Leslie91


    tripperman wrote: »
    Rather see one of the two underrated f a rbs get on instead of ronnie

    Or maybe even Marion Grice is he doesn't make it to the 53 in Az.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,999 ✭✭✭tripperman


    Leslie91 wrote: »
    Or maybe even Marion Grice is he doesn't make it to the 53 in Az.

    Yeah forgot about him, i still think he was worth keeping around last season


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,017 ✭✭✭Leslie91


    tripperman wrote: »
    Yeah forgot about him, i still think he was worth keeping around last season

    It was close between he and BO I reckon. At the time I was pulling my hair out and Grice has looked ok since but I'm v happy with BO and what he brings.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,999 ✭✭✭tripperman


    Leslie91 wrote: »
    It was close between he and BO I reckon. At the time I was pulling my hair out and Grice has looked ok since but I'm v happy with BO and what he brings.

    i liked grice when he was drafted, I hadn't seen anything about Brandon till he got on the pitch last season and he's now a firm favourite of mine,


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,017 ✭✭✭Leslie91


    I can't get over the stalemate on the Weddle situation. I see Acee saying in his Q&A yesterday that there is pretty much zero chance of Weddle getting an extension. It all sounds v odd to me, yes he is not getting any younger but his presence alone not to mention what he can still bring on the field has to be worth a conversation at least. I'm not sure what the front office are playing at here.

    On an another note, great to see all bar Gordon signed. How great is it to have this rookie wage scale. Pity football this side of the pond/around the world can't figure out a way to do something similar in terms of wages, which is pricing the regular fan out of the game.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,286 ✭✭✭OAOB


    I wouldn't pay any notion to Acee to be honest, he's a reporter who lost all his sources when TT arrived so now he just tries to create stories.

    Disappointed in Weddle, he's a captain so should be leading. He's got another year to play so no need to go crying to the media just yet, lots of time to negotiate


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,017 ✭✭✭Leslie91


    So the vets are arriving to meet the rookies today. The only things I heard out of minicamp (apart from hearing all the draft picks are now signed) that were interesting were that Huey was playing center and Gordon ran away from Perryman on a pass out of the backfield. Anyone see any other interesting tidbits?

    Oh and I hear we have another basketball player Richard Ross trying out at TE. We all know how that once turned into Gold for our Bolts.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,999 ✭✭✭tripperman


    Leslie91 wrote: »
    So the vets are arriving to meet the rookies today. The only things I heard out of minicamp (apart from hearing all the draft picks are now signed) that were interesting were that Huey was playing center and Gordon ran away from Perryman on a pass out of the backfield. Anyone see any other interesting tidbits?

    Oh and I hear we have another basketball player Richard Ross trying out at TE. We all know how that once turned into Gold for our Bolts.

    San diego state fb making good impression his blocking is supposed to be exceptional


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,017 ✭✭✭Leslie91


    tripperman wrote: »
    San diego state fb making good impression his blocking is supposed to be exceptional

    Who do u mean Tripperman? what's his name?

    Chad Young is it? I see he is one of the 15 who were tryouts i.e. not even getting a mention on the roster on chargers.com.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,999 ✭✭✭tripperman


    Leslie91 wrote: »
    Who do u mean Tripperman? what's his name?

    Chad Young is it? I see he is one of the 15 who were tryouts i.e. not even getting a mention on the roster on chargers.com.

    Yeah young he's great at opening running lanes for rbs that's where trying him with Gordon, he's only a try out but might get a practice spot, I didn't see him on chargers. Com but read about him on nbc


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,286 ✭✭✭OAOB


    We didn't carry a FB last year but used Johnson as a hybrid FB/TE, guy will have his work cut out for him to make it with us


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,999 ✭✭✭tripperman


    OAOB wrote: »
    We didn't carry a FB last year but used Johnson as a hybrid FB/TE, guy will have his work cut out for him to make it with us

    I can't remember was it two seasons ago or three that we had a fb on the roster, if he makes practice squad he be doing well, a lot of Gordon's big runs came from behind a fb blocking last year, so they prob just looking at options there for red zone


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