What happened to the Anglo Irish?

LincolnsBeard

What happened to the Anglo Irish families that used to live in Ireland?

Did they move back to England when the war broke out? Do any still live in Ireland?

How do people in Ireland feel about men like Arthur Wellesley and Ernest Shackleton? Are they considered Irish heroes?


Thanks guys.

byhookorbycrook

Plenty of them around, I've never seen any real animosity towards them.

RichieC

They left after the monocle crisis of 1925.

Dyr

We piked a few them back in the big war just to let them know what was what but they got to keep most of the land for some reason

john why

We gave them a bank and then they gave us all 110% mortgages

Where To

I'm pretty sure most of them think of themselves as Irish-Irish, not Anglo-Irish.

golden lane

look at the names in ireland......and remember lots took on the gaelic version of anglo names......

Zebra3

Have a look in Fine Gael.

fryup

squeezed out

jam_mac_jam

They are called Irish now.

earlyevening

We call them the IBRC now.

cml387

LincolnsBeard wrote: »

What happened to the Anglo Irish families that used to live in Ireland?

Did they move back to England when the war broke out? Do any still live in Ireland?

How do people in Ireland feel about men like Arthur Wellesley and Ernest Shackleton? Are they considered Irish heroes?


Thanks guys.

The first president of Ireland was anglo irish and a protestant,Douglas Hyde.
Mind you,at his funeral none of the then government would go into the church 'cos it was a Protestant church.:rolleyes:
W.B. Yeats, Anglo Irish.
Lord Henry Mountcharles, has mega concerts at his pile in Meath.

One could go on.

IM0

earlyevening wrote: »

We call them the I B4E EXCEPT AFTER C now.

fyp.

golden lane

thjere will never be as many anglo irish....as their are celtic british.........ffs...don't do a swap....

JupiterKid

Some returned to England after their estates were taken and divided up among the tenant farmers in the land reforms from the 1880s to the 1920s.

Most remained in Ireland and indeed many fought for Independence and were instrumental in the Gaelic revival - people like Countess Markieviez, WB Yeats, Douglas Hyde, Roger Casement, Parnell and many others.

Most "Anglo-Irish" have fully assimilated into Irish society and wouldn't for a second consider themselves anything other than Irish. My cub scout leader when I was a kid back in the '80s came from Protestant Anglo-Irish stock yet he was fiercely nationalist, bordering on republican even.

IM0

they bought a bank. made lots of monies, and lived happily ever after

LincolnsBeard

golden lane wrote: »

thjere will never be as many anglo irish....as their are celtic british.........ffs...don't do a swap....

I have no idea what this means.

golden lane

IM0 wrote: »

they bought a bank. made lots of monies, and lived happily ever after

which one was that.......

cml387

Arthur Wellesley (AKA The Duke Of Wellington) did not really "adopt" his country of birth.
"Being born in a stable does not make one a horse"

So we'll leave him out.

Nodin

Bambi wrote: »

We piked a few them back in the big war just to let them know what was what but they got to keep most of the land for some reason

...and horses, so I'm told. They all have one.

Duckworth_Luas

cml387 wrote: »

Arthur Wellesley (AKA The Duke Of Wellington) did not really "adopt" his country of birth.
"Being born in a stable does not make one a horse"

So we'll leave him out.

Wellesley never said that!

LincolnsBeard

cml387 wrote: »

Arthur Wellesley (AKA The Duke Of Wellington) did not really "adopt" his country of birth.
"Being born in a stable does not make one a horse"

So we'll leave him out.

He never said that himself. It was Daniel O'Connell that said it about him.

cml387

The OP is American, I believe and deserves a serious answer even though he asked in After Hours.

The Anglo Irish who had a love for the country mostly stayed on, except for some sad instances when they suffered violence during the civil war.

To give a story from where I live,Lord and Lady Donoughmore were kidnapped from their home in Knocklofty in 1974 by the IRA.
Such was the local outrage that they were released unharmed shortly afterwards.

mikemac1

Sir Anthony O'Reilly is doing his best to join them

neil_hosey

cml387 wrote: »

The first president of Ireland was anglo irish and a protestant,Douglas Hyde.
Mind you,at his funeral none of the then government would go into the church 'cos it was a Protestant church.:rolleyes:
W.B. Yeats, Anglo Irish.
Lord Henry Mountcharles, has mega concerts at his pile in Meath.

One could go on.

He was also a nationalist i believe and a founder of the Gaelic league which focused on the revival of irish as a spoken language

cml387

Never mind that. WIKIPEDIA IS BROKEN. What'll we do now?

mattjack

Erm my own heritage is Anglo Irish... various family members got involved obscure wars and rows. Two clowns ended up fighting on different sides in the American war of Independence. A few served in the British army and a couple of ol' Aunts were involved in Cumann na Mban .Another one fought against Napoleon too.

The extended family used to own a large chunk of Galway at one stage .. Menlo Castle ? or something like that.

golden lane

mattjack wrote: »

Erm my own heritage is Anglo Irish... various family members got involved obscure wars and rows. Two clowns ended up fighting on different sides in the American war of Independence. A few served in the British army and a couple of ol' Aunts were involved in Cumann na Mban .Another one fought against Napoleon too.

The extended family used to own a large chunk of Galway at one stage .. Menlo Castle ? or something like that.

no need to feel guilty.....hope you get your castle back.....

mattjack

golden lane wrote: »

no need to feel guilty.....hope you get your castle back.....

Are you serious ? I'd have to property tax on it.




'Adjusts monocle'

Nodin

mattjack wrote: »

Are you serious ? I'd have to property tax on it.




'Adjusts monocle'

...and try to move on the crusties who think its a spiritual node or something. You wouldn't have enough to pay for your mustache wax after all that.

golden lane

mattjack wrote: »

Are you serious ? I'd have to property tax on it.




'Adjusts monocle'

god!!!!...you anglo's are never happy......

i think my lot came from holland with king billy............with all the land grabbing.........how come i have none....

mattjack

Nodin wrote: »

...and try to move on the crusties who think its a spiritual node or something. You wouldn't have enough to pay for your mustache wax after all that.

Yes , I think.

mattjack

golden lane wrote: »

god!!!!...you anglo's are never happy......

i think my lot came from holland with king billy............with all the land grabbing.........how come i have none....

You obviously were King Billys butler.

'Re adjusts monocle'.

MungBean

LincolnsBeard wrote: »

What happened to the Anglo Irish families that used to live in Ireland?

Did they move back to England when the war broke out? Do any still live in Ireland?

Joined with Irish Nationwide and renamed the IBRC as far as I know.

How do people in Ireland feel about men like Arthur Wellesley and Ernest Shackleton? Are they considered Irish heroes?


Thanks guys.

Not sure if they are Irish but anyone who fought Lord Voldemort is ok by me.

golden lane

mattjack wrote: »

You obviously were King Billys butler.

'Re adjusts monocle'.

still am............

golden lane

golden lane wrote: »

still am............

to a woman called williams.....

mattjack

golden lane wrote: »

to a woman called williams.....

Vanessa or Serena ?

golden lane

mattjack wrote: »

Vanessa or Serena ?

duece...........

Dostoevsky

JupiterKid wrote: »

Some returned to England after their estates were taken and divided up among the tenant farmers in the land reforms from the 1880s to the 1920s.

Purchased; their British government looked after their landed interests in the decolonisation process. The 'taking' part was by their forefathers, and the victims were the native Irish landowners.

Today, the vast majority of them are just Irish, with the exception of people like Henry Mountcharles who want to chase with the hounds by continuing to hold British colonial titles over Irish land and run with the hares by professing to be as Irish as the next person.

The sole neo-colonial group in the Republic, when it's not drinking in the Conservative Club on Camden Row, has the misnomer the Reform Movement and is run by a British Protestant settler in Ireland named Robin Bury - this clown - whose rather touched ideas include a demand for special rights for British people in Ireland, the abolition of the Irish language and for Ireland to join the British Commonwealth. Ahem!

mattjack

Dostoevsky wrote: »

Purchased; their British government looked after their landed interests in the decolonisation process. The 'taking' part was by their forefathers, and the victims were the native Irish landowners.

Today, the vast majority of them are just Irish. The sole neo-colonial group in the Republic, when it's not drinking in the Conservative Club on Camden Row, has the misnomer the Reform Movement and is run by a British Protestant settler in Ireland named Robin Bury - this clown - whose rather touched ideas include a demand for special rights for British people in Ireland, the abolition of the Irish language and for Ireland to join the British Commonwealth. Ahem!

That sounds correct , some of my own mob sold and abandoned huge amounts of property and land and a lot of them legged in around the War of Independence.

mattjack

golden lane wrote: »

duece...........

Hard on the balls.

golden lane

mattjack wrote: »

Hard on the balls.

a good racket though...lots of returns....

Fratton Fred

Dostoevsky wrote: »

Purchased; their British government looked after their landed interests in the decolonisation process. The 'taking' part was by their forefathers, and the victims were the native Irish landowners.

Today, the vast majority of them are just Irish, with the exception of people like Henry Mountcharles who want to chase with the hounds by continuing to hold British colonial titles over Irish land and run with the hares by professing to be as Irish as the next person.

The sole neo-colonial group in the Republic, when it's not drinking in the Conservative Club on Camden Row, has the misnomer the Reform Movement and is run by a British Protestant settler in Ireland named Robin Bury - this clown - whose rather touched ideas include a demand for special rights for British people in Ireland, the abolition of the Irish language and for Ireland to join the British Commonwealth. Ahem!

There has to be one doesn't there.

I know quite a few descendants of what would have been the Anglo Irish the OP refers to and they all dropped the Anglo bit a generation or two ago. They would have accounted for 99% of the "anglo Irish", the wealthy land owners 1%.