NHL Final - Cork v Kilkenny 06/05/2012 4pm (TG4)

teednab-el

skaface wrote: »

Cork are hardly the 'best of the rest'... big difference between League and Championship in all fairness. All the 'Hype' about Cork being a big force this year... based on what ?? A few wins in the League :rolleyes:

That's a bit rich coming from a Waterford poster.

No offense to other Waterford posters here but I do remember Waterford receiving many thrashings from Kilkenny over the past few years eventhough they had played some great stuff before those encounters against Kilkenny. Remember 2008, after the great game against Tipperary and everyone expecting Waterford to put it up to Kilkenny that year. Kilkenny make good teams look terrible when they are on song and you know what Kilkenny did to Waterford on All Ireland Final Day 2008, to a decent Waterford side I must say. Kilkenny have that ability. Cork played well in the League until the final. We got thrashed, it must be put behind us and move on, eventhough it is hard to after a defeat like that.

Cork are still going to be there in the championship, and I expect them to be competing again.

teednab-el

Duiske wrote: »

I'd still rate Tipp best of the rest, despite what happened against Cork in the semi. That was an odd kind of game in that it was good to watch, as with most games between 2 Munster sides, but I think Tipp had an off day and it made Cork look better than they actually are.

I hate this nonsense.

If thats the case so maybe Cork had an offday too on Sunday and made Kilkenny look better than they actually are?

Tipperary had two opportunities to beat Cork in the League and they failed, so I dont know where you are basing your logic from. Until Tipperary beat Cork in Munster or Championship 2012 then you dont have a point.

premierstone

Badabing wrote: »

Tommy Walsh 10th all star in the bag some player lads.

He's actually having a shocking year and is getting caught for toe in every game.

Badabing

I watched the match again today, 2 great trademark catches 1 brilliant point couple block downs skinned twice by opponent. 8/10 not bad for first week in may.

adrian522

One ridiculous overhead handpass that should have resulted in a goal for Cork.

In fairness he has not played well in this league. He is still a great player and this is his first run of bad form in his career but I think he is a little way off his very best form of the last few years.

As mentioned above there are no all stars handed out in May and I wouldn't have any worries about Tommy's form at the moment.

Foleyart

Kilkenny were like sharks on the day, they fully deserved the win. On the other hand some of Corks play bordered on comedy and where stuff could go wrong it went very wrong. Just look at the dissallowed goal ffs! It is only the begining of the season and I for one have great hopes for this Cork team, and JBM.

teednab-el

Foleyart wrote: »

Kilkenny were like sharks on the day, they fully deserved the win. On the other hand some of Corks play bordered on comedy and where stuff could go wrong it went very wrong. Just look at the dissallowed goal ffs! It is only the begining of the season and I for one have great hopes for this Cork team, and JBM.

Well after a defeat like this, there shouldnt be any lack of motivation in the panel and for JBM.

skaface

teednab-el wrote: »

That's a bit rich coming from a Waterford poster.

No offense to other Waterford posters here but I do remember Waterford receiving many thrashings from Kilkenny over the past few years eventhough they had played some great stuff before those encounters against Kilkenny. Remember 2008, after the great game against Tipperary and everyone expecting Waterford to put it up to Kilkenny that year. Kilkenny make good teams look terrible when they are on song and you know what Kilkenny did to Waterford on All Ireland Final Day 2008, to a decent Waterford side I must say. Kilkenny have that ability. Cork played well in the League until the final. We got thrashed, it must be put behind us and move on, eventhough it is hard to after a defeat like that.

Cork are still going to be there in the championship, and I expect them to be competing again.

"BIT RICH COMING FROM A WATERFORD POSTER"... Get over yourself Boy
I Wasn,t slagging off Cork hurlers for one minute, just responding to a post
RE: Cork being 'best of the rest'.. We all know what Kilkenny can do , up to
all the rest of the counties to catch up.

teednab-el

skaface wrote: »

"BIT RICH COMING FROM A WATERFORD POSTER"... Get over yourself Boy
I Wasn,t slagging off Cork hurlers for one minute, just responding to a post
RE: Cork being 'best of the rest'.. We all know what Kilkenny can do , up to
all the rest of the counties to catch up.

"ALL THE HYPE ABOUT CORK BEING A BIG FORCE THIS YEAR...BASED ON WHAT????? A FEW WINS IN THE LEAGUE :rolleyes: "

Well for starters, it's everyone outside Cork including yourself that's creating the hype. We are under no illusions and know that Cork hurling has along way to go before reaching Kilkennys levels. But in one year Cork did very well in the League, beat Dublin, beat Waterford, lost narrowly to Galway in the last few mins of game, beat Kilkenny once, drew and beat Tipperary on two occasions and lost badly to Kilkenny. So it ended on a low but there are signs that Cork can play some hurling again and be competitive. It's a work in progress and it's going to take a while for things to follow through but still believe JBM can achieve something with this Cork team i.e. at least a Munster championship.

After Kilkenny there is very little between the other teams involved in the championship and all could beat each other on any given day.

skaface

liammur wrote: »

Embarrassing final. Surely Cork can't be the 'best of the rest' or the championship is over already.

I responded to this post with a bit of BANTER ...

Don,t worry Teednab-el, no talk or Hype being created about Cork by anyone in Waterford Hopefully Waterford AND Cork will get to Croke Park later in the
year, some of the best supporters in the land.

Danno

To watch Cork on Sunday really highlighted it for me how they miss Donal Og. Without him for the rest of the year, Cork may put their revival plans on hold or else find a better keeper than Coleman. He's a liability and will cost Cork dearly in the Championships.

premierstone

Danno wrote: »

To watch Cork on Sunday really highlighted it for me how they miss Donal Og. Without him for the rest of the year, Cork may put their revival plans on hold or else find a better keeper than Coleman. He's a liability and will cost Cork dearly in the Championships.

He's actually an excellent keeper, I have seen him play many times and never seen him as bad as Sunday, was just a bad day at the office and probably due to the pressure of replacing Donal Og, he's 6 backs didnt exactly help him either. Nash will probably get the nod against Tipp and is very capable too.

crackity_jones

Danno wrote: »

To watch Cork on Sunday really highlighted it for me how they miss Donal Og. Without him for the rest of the year, Cork may put their revival plans on hold or else find a better keeper than Coleman. He's a liability and will cost Cork dearly in the Championships.

After watching the match and the highlights I think people are hanging Coleman up to dry after a match in which the Cork team as a whole were thrashed by one of the hungriest All-Ireland champions I have seen in a long time. The Cork fullback line should take just as much blame, if not more, than the goal-keeper, who was exposed on several occasions and could do little when confronted by the best forward line in the game. How many times did Larkin sidestep defenders in almost comical fashion? I don't see them getting much criticism on here.

Yes, the first goal was soft but the keeper had positioned himself for a drive from Larkin which he subsequently scuffed and the ball bobbled in. Bugger all he could do about the other two.

For me, Cusack's role is a little hyped. Certainly, he is an excellent keeper and his distribution is fantastic, but to say this team is seriously compromised by his absence is not that accurate and unfair to those keepers (Nash & Coleman) who have replaced him in previous games.

teednab-el

skaface wrote: »

liammur wrote: »

Embarrassing final. Surely Cork can't be the 'best of the rest' or the championship is over already.

I responded to this post with a bit of BANTER ...

Don,t worry Teednab-el, no talk or Hype being created about Cork by anyone in Waterford Hopefully Waterford AND Cork will get to Croke Park later in the
year, some of the best supporters in the land.

Me too, I responded with my usual banter
In fairness, I would love to see Waterford doing well in the championship too after Cork of course ::D It would be nice to see anyone other than Kilkenny lift Liam but if you want to be the best you have to beat the best.

Fireball07

crackity_jones wrote: »

After watching the match and the highlights I think people are hanging Coleman up to dry after a match in which the Cork team as a whole were thrashed by one of the hungriest All-Ireland champions I have seen in a long time. The Cork fullback line should take just as much blame, if not more, than the goal-keeper, who was exposed on several occasions and could do little when confronted by the best forward line in the game. How many times did Larkin sidestep defenders in almost comical fashion? I don't see them getting much criticism on here.

Yes, the first goal was soft but the keeper had positioned himself for a drive from Larkin which he subsequently scuffed and the ball bobbled in. Bugger all he could do about the other two.

For me, Cusack's role is a little hyped. Certainly, he is an excellent keeper and his distribution is fantastic, but to say this team is seriously compromised by his absence is not that accurate and unfair to those keepers (Nash & Coleman) who have replaced him in previous games.

The whole team were comprehensively beaten but Coleman was awful. There is really no other word for the performance. The attempt at saving the first goal was just pathetic, no keeper at any level should let that goal in. That destroyed his confidence, he hit a few puckouts straight to Kilkenny men with no one near them, and was at fault for the last goal too when he hit the ball straight into Reid's hand.

I honestly can't remember as poor a performance by an intercounty keeper.

rebel girl 15

crackity_jones wrote: »

Yes, the first goal was soft but the keeper had positioned himself for a drive from Larkin which he subsequently scuffed and the ball bobbled in. Bugger all he could do about the other two.

He was at complete fault for goal number 3 - you don't flick the ball out sideways and hope for the best at senior level, you get the ball in your hand, take a smack on the hand but hold the ball.

He could have done more when he did go down for the third goal, he kind of stopped - don't know was that because his studs got stuck in the turf or something

He kept pucking the ball long, when it was clear that short puckouts to win possession were needed, as the KK half forward line were dropping back the whole time - that needed to come from the line as well as from the keeper

Mountainlad

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

He was at complete fault for goal number 3 - you don't flick the ball out sideways and hope for the best at senior level, you get the ball in your hand, take a smack on the hand but hold the ball.

He could have done more when he did go down for the third goal, he kind of stopped - don't know was that because his studs got stuck in the turf or something

He kept pucking the ball long, when it was clear that short puckouts to win possession were needed, as the KK half forward line were dropping back the whole time - that needed to come from the line as well as from the keeper

First goal was definetly the worst.

I would say he wasn't blameless for third, he should have done better, but the Cork defence would have to ask themselves how they let the ball bounce around in the large square for so long without clearing it, and then left TJ Reid completely unmarked. Wouldn't blame the keeper for not saving Reid's shot though.

As a whole, Cork didn't function properly. There was a lot more wrong than just puckouts and a couple of mistakes by the Keeper, and the reality is Cusack will probably miss the championship, so either Coleman or Nash will have to front up.

Felt sorry for him though, he's been around a long time and he's a talented keeper. Such a high pressure situation to be thrown into like.

thewildcat

DDC1990 wrote: »

He was actually poor enough yesterday.

Only caught one of his trademark catches out of defence, and got burned a few times by Conor Lehane and Sweetnam when he came on.
Seems to have lost a yard and a half of pace since last year.

Not saying he wont get an All Star, but he certainly didn't stand out yesterday.

bar one run in the first half Conor Lehane never felt the weight of the ball
Tommy was on top when the game was there to be won the first 10 minutes he clear a few balls and got a great score its hard to go 100 per cent when the game is over after 10 minutes anyway it was only a league final
you see the best of tommy later on in the year like he has for the last 10