Season 2 Episode 6 - *Have NOT Read the Books*

blueythebear

Degag wrote: »

So.... just to confirm, The Mountain is Clegaine, the guy who gutted the three guys who held Sansa captive and whom Joffrey calls Dog? Did he actually go to Kings Landing when Ned summoned him and what happened? Can't remember.

The Mountain and the Dog are the Clegane brothers. Gregor Clegaine is the enormous bloke in Season 1 who went mad at Ser Loras (the gay lover of King Renly) when he lost the jousting at the Tournament for Ned Stark's introduction as the Hand of the King in Season 1. Ned proclaimed the Mountain an outlaw and sent several knights to catch him. He's still out there being an outlaw.

The Dog is Sandor Clegane, with the burnt face and is the bodyguard of Joffrey. He saved Sansa at the riot in Kings Landing...

pixelburp

There is still part of me that feels sorry for Theon I suppose: let's face it, he's one of life's losers really & I think he knows how pathetic he is.

Neither 'family' takes him seriously, and generally treat him with contempt; he'll never really belong to the Starks or the Greyjoys. When he does find himself taking responsibility, whether through necessity or choice, he either makes a complete balls of it (executing Ser Roderick, trying to persuade Papa Greyjoy to join Rob) or else no one really takes it/him seriously (all of the Iron islands, or Winterfell's reaction to their conqueror).

Heck, even in the affairs of the bedroom, the man can only manage the erstwhile village whore, a sea-captain's daughter and ... uhh... his own sister :eek::D

beardedmaster

blueythebear wrote: »

The Mountain and the Dog are the Clegane brothers. Gregor Clegaine is the enormous bloke in Season 1 who went mad at Ser Loras (the gay lover of King Renly) when he lost the jousting at the Tournament for Ned Stark's introduction as the Hand of the King in Season 1. Ned proclaimed the Mountain an outlaw and sent several knights to catch him. He's still out there being an outlaw.

The Dog is Sandor Clegane, with the burnt face and is the bodyguard of Joffrey. He saved Sansa at the riot in Kings Landing...

The Hound, not the Dog, sorry. Joffrey calls him his "Dog" though, and sometimes calls him it that as if it was his name.

royster999

As the show goes on, you can see the Dog getting more pissed off with Joffrey

Mickeroo

Thaqt part in season 1 where the hound goes for the mountain is still one of my favourites. They way he goes to his knee when the king speaks regardless of the fact mountain was swinging a sword for his head was savage.

amen

I've read the books and I am watching on the tv but I am curious why does who haven't read the books don't?

btw the books are better!

Sleepy

amen wrote: »

I've read the books and I am watching on the tv but I am curious why does who haven't read the books don't?

btw the books are better!

Might make for a good thread in it's own right?

Mickeroo

amen wrote: »

I've read the books and I am watching on the tv but I am curious why does who haven't read the books don't?

btw the books are better!

Agree this would be worth a thread in itself...

Well I decided because I like the show so much I didn't want to know what happens ahead of time.

My plan is to read each book after each season, although I still haven't started yet due to college work. Fully intend to have the first two books read before season 3 starts next year though.

I figure this way I get to blindly enjoy each season, then further flesh it out with the books afterwards.

I presume there's nothing in book 1 or 2 that could potentially spoil anything in later seasons? I'm not sure how different they are to the show in terms of how things are playing out.

Sleepy

Until we get to Season 5 I'm not expecting any major deviations from the books in terms of what happens.

Seasons 3 & 4 will both be covering book 3 as there's no way in hell you could condense it to a 10 part series. From there, the chronology in books 4 & 5 get a bit messy (effectively Book 5 happens in parallel to Book 4) which won't work well for TV as you'd have major characters left out for most of the season before re-introducing them in the following season etc. which would play havoc with casting. (TBH, it didn't even work that well in the books so this is one area the TV show may actually improve the narrative)

Mickeroo

Sleepy wrote: »

Until we get to Season 5 I'm not expecting any major deviations from the books in terms of what happens.

Seasons 3 & 4 will both be covering book 3 as there's no way in hell you could condense it to a 10 part series. From there, the chronology in books 4 & 5 get a bit messy (effectively Book 5 happens in parallel to Book 4) which won't work well for TV as you'd have major characters left out for most of the season before re-introducing them in the following season etc. which would play havoc with casting. (TBH, it didn't even work that well in the books so this is one area the TV show may actually improve the narrative)

interesting, maybe they'll try covering book 4 & 5 in unison and spred it over 2 seasons.

krudler

Mickeroo wrote: »

Thaqt part in season 1 where the hound goes for the mountain is still one of my favourites. They way he goes to his knee when the king speaks regardless of the fact mountain was swinging a sword for his head was savage.

that was very cool, his loyalty to the king saved his head. the horse killing scene was shocking, brilliantly done but still a wtf moment.

ziedth

Mickeroo wrote: »

Thaqt part in season 1 where the hound goes for the mountain is still one of my favourites. They way he goes to his knee when the king speaks regardless of the fact mountain was swinging a sword for his head was savage.

Me too,

He's becoming one of my favorite characters.

KerranJast

I'd love to think HBO would give them an extra few episodes for the next few Seasons given how successful it is. Padding it out to 13 would make it much easier to explain a lot of stuff.

Sleepy

KerranJast wrote: »

I'd love to think HBO would give them an extra few episodes for the next few Seasons given how successful it is. Padding it out to 13 would make it much easier to explain a lot of stuff.

While I'd love to see it, I really can't see them doing it. The budget for this series is astronomical already and, even at that, we can see where budget constraints are impacting on the final product. A 30% increase in required footage would mean even more of the shots which should have hundreds in them being represented by 20 people etc.

WindmillWarrior

Mickeroo wrote: »

interesting, maybe they'll try covering book 4 & 5 in unison and spred it over 2 seasons.

Books 4 and 5 could be covered over 1 season for me. Not a whole lot happens in them

Johnny Bitte

Sleepy wrote: »

The budget for this series is astronomical already

You serious, for ten episodes and corner cut with extra's and no battle scenes, whats costing so much?

mikemac1

I would have thought once you get past the pilot and series one then the cost goes down.

The crew and cast are pretty much in place now
Of course there is turnover but the producers are very familiar with all aspects now and what they need

So I was thinking Series three would cost less then series two and so on
Two or three extra episodes per series would be welcome

krudler

Johnny Bitte wrote: »

You serious, for ten episodes and corner cut with extra's and no battle scenes, whats costing so much?

the costumes and production design, cost of shooting in multiple countries etc, there's a ton of cgi used in every episode as well, you just don't notice it most of the time, like adding parts to Winterfell and Kings Landing and digitally altering the skies and the like.

Shlippery

krudler wrote: »

the costumes and production design, cost of shooting in multiple countries etc, there's a ton of cgi used in every episode as well, you just don't notice it most of the time, like adding parts to Winterfell and Kings Landing and digitally altering the skies and the like.

I fear we're getting a little off-topic and i'm probably not helping...but this..explains a lot of the CGI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRGohmhw2UM

Sleepy

You also have a much larger cast in this than in most series.

Syferus

touts wrote: »

I’m starting to like Lord Lannister. I was surprised to hear how he thought Jamie to read and overcome his dyslexia. I’m actually beginning to sympathise with the Lannisters if someone would just finish off the King and the Queen-mother (and feed Theon to the wolves) then we would basically have a show with no real heros but no real villians and in a way you would be rooting for all sides. I think anyone of Tyrion, Jamie, Robb, Stannis, Dany would be a good eventual ruler. I suppose that flip flopping of your sympathies is what makes it such a complex show.

Are you for real!? Sure, he'd be better than Joffrey, but that's like trading in the devil for a demon.