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Is this allowed in HL Maths LC?

  • 07-05-2012 12:46pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 153 ✭✭


    Ok so I was just doing this question (see attached image) (its off the 1999 paper)

    Its basically (n+4)C(2)=91 If my notations ok (hopefully boards will be more forgiving of bad notation than http://www.physicsforums.com/ is :D )

    So I used the 'binomial coefficients' rule on page 20 of the log tables to get:
    (n+4)! / 2!(n+4-2)! =91 which I worked to (n+4)! / (n+2) = 182.

    Im not sure if thats correct or not because Im learning these chapters myself. But what I'm wondering is, is what I did next ok because I didn't have any idea how to work with unknowns in factorials.

    On my calculator (Casio fx83GT Plus) I pressed:
    AC, MODE, 3 (TABLE), and typed in f(x)= (x+4)!/(x+2)!. The I pressed =, for START? I used 5 and for END? I used 15 and set STEP? to 1{ I knew the answer would be roughly 7-12 }. The I scrolled down the table to where f(x)=182 and the x value was 10. And 10 is the correct answer :)

    I used this in my mocks for one question and it's really handy if you know the approximate answer which I do a lot because I really like theoretical maths but not applied maths :) My teacher has always given me full marks for this even when I admitted how I did it.

    So am I ok to do this if im stuck in the LC or will the corrector penalize me for going from (n+4)! / (n+2)! = 182 => n= 10 ?

    My teacher said if you get the right answer its full marks and the working outs are only important if you slip/blunder to get the 7/10 marks.


    Anyone know?


Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,572 ✭✭✭Canard


    I'm not 100% sure because I havent done that, but in my mock we hadnt done sequences & series but the (a) part was something like 10 C N = 45, find N, and I got it by trial and error and got the full 10 marks - so it seems theres no problem. :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 153 ✭✭jos360


    Thanks bro,

    Yea it seems far to easy because you can solve half the paper using the TABLE function on the calculator :)

    But the department know the calculators capabilities when they put it on the list of allowed calculators for the exams so I guess it could be allowed.

    I just wanna be really sure before I risk something like it in my LC :)

    Reading the manual that came with my calculator; best investment on 15 min study ever!


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 4,281 Mod ✭✭✭✭deconduo


    I'm pretty sure when I did the LC we were only allowed used standard scientific calculators. No graphing ones were allowed. You also left out a pretty big step when solving it:

    gif.download?\frac{(x+4)!}{(x+2)!}=(x+4)(x+3)\frac{(x+2)!}{(x+2)!}=(x+4)(x+3)=x^2+7x+12=182

    Solving that gives x=10, x=-17.

    If I was marking it I would definitely consider that as a large enough omission to count as a blunder (-3 marks).


  • Registered Users Posts: 153 ✭✭jos360


    deconduo wrote: »
    I'm pretty sure when I did the LC we were only allowed used standard scientific calculators. No graphing ones were allowed. You also left out a pretty big step when solving it:

    gif.download?\frac{(x+4)!}{(x+2)!}=(x+4)(x+3)\frac{(x+2)!}{(x+2)!}=(x+4)(x+3)=x^2+7x+12=182

    Solving that gives x=10, x=-17.

    Oh that would be indeed awkward :)

    Ok so in that case it obviously dosn't get the correct answer :)
    We still cant use graphing calculators for exams, but our 'scientific' calculators can render a table of points of a curve which is basically the same thing and there are other parts of the syllabus where we a supposed to do that.

    Guess the best thing to do is brush up on my factorials so :)
    If I was marking it I would definitely count that as a large enough omission to count as a blunder (-3 marks).

    Oh I would be very happy to take a blunder there, usually for only finding one value when theres two you only get an attempt mark :(

    Thanks:)


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 4,281 Mod ✭✭✭✭deconduo


    jos360 wrote: »
    Oh that would be indeed awkward :)

    Ok so in that case it obviously dosn't get the correct answer :)
    We still cant use graphing calculators for exams, but our 'scientific' calculators can render a table of points of a curve which is basically the same thing and there are other parts of the syllabus where we a supposed to do that.

    Guess the best thing to do is brush up on my factorials so :)



    Oh I would be very happy to take a blunder there, usually for only finding one value when theres two you only get an attempt mark :(

    Thanks:)

    Well -17 isn't an answer, as n has to be positive. Final line you would write would be:

    gif.download?x=-17,%2010%20%5Crightarrow%20n\ge0%20%5Crightarrow%20n=10

    You did get the right answer, but trial and error isn't a valid way to get there.


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