Eng-er-land Euro2012 squad

Blatter

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Holt should have gone ahead of either Carroll / Crouch imo.

If Carroll had one good month at the end of the season at Norwich, and Holt had scored 15 PL goals for Liverpool throughout the season, we all know who'd be in the squad.

Beefy78

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Holt should have gone ahead of either Carroll / Crouch imo.

Holt is no good. Sorry. Honest pro who has done amazingly well for himself with very limited ability but that's it.

I guess with a lot of decisions it depends on whether you think an International call-up should be a reward for playing well or an attempt to build the best squad possible.

redzerdrog

redzerdrog wrote: »

Easy glen johnson is a better player and englands 1st choice rb and jones provides better cover for cb.

simples

Saying that I would have brought him instead on jones but can see why he wasnt picked

i think Richards is a better all round right back than johnson and adds a threat from corners + frees

Beefy78

Des wrote: »

Making Gerrard means he is pretty much undroppable, and is going to play as a CM, if not from the start, then definitely when Rooney gets back.

If they win thier first two games with no Rooney and Gerrard "in the hole", and then Rooney comes back, forcing Gerrard back, they'll lose thier 3rd group game, qualify for the quarter finals and go out.

Gerrard + Any of the other CMs named just won't work.

Also, it means we could potentially see Lampard making way for Gerrard for the 3rd group game, or if not, a CM pairing of Lampard and Gerrard.

All of the above are nightmare scenarios.

Making Gerrard the captain was a silly thing to do, for those reasons.

Or it means that Gerrard continues in the hole with Rooney in front of him

Corholio

Beefy78 wrote: »

Holt is no good. Sorry. Honest pro who has done amazingly well for himself with very limited ability but that's it.

I guess with a lot of decisions it depends on whether you think an International call-up should be a reward for playing well or an attempt to build the best squad possible.

No good? There's a fair few players in the squad who have supposed 'ability' that have never done it any time for England. Also how else should it work? Pick a squad based on how many times your name appears in the media? throw a dart? Of course it should be if your playing well, even if that goes against about half the England squads credentials this season.

Speak Now

steelcityblues wrote: »

With big help from Drogba, Ramires, Reina, Kuyt, Suarez, Mata, etc. If you look at the squads of most other nations, it is dominated by players in the top 3 or 4 clubs of European leagues.

Bad in league due to English players
Good in cups due to Johnny Foreigners

Anyway i think it's all swings and roundabouts with those there and those not. They have as much chance as winning as we do i'd imagine. We can only dream that we both come first/second and get a cut of them in the last 8

Paul Tergat

It really is the poorest England squad I can remember.

LuckyLloyd

Blatter wrote: »

If Carroll had one good month at the end of the season at Norwich, and Holt had scored 15 PL goals for Liverpool throughout the season, we all know who'd be in the squad.

But of course - if their clubs were reversed Holt would be starting game one.

Beefy78 wrote: »

Holt is no good. Sorry. Honest pro who has done amazingly well for himself with very limited ability but that's it.

I guess with a lot of decisions it depends on whether you think an International call-up should be a reward for playing well or an attempt to build the best squad possible.

Neither of the above? An International call-up should contribute towards the winning of a football tournament. Holt is in form, full of confidence, and has been solid the whole season through. He has contributed more in general play on a weekly basis than either Carroll or Crouch, and just been all round better over the course of the whole season. I mean, it doesn't really matter if he never played for England after this summer. Right now, this minute he gives them the best chance to win games.

And finally, while I am on record as valuing qualification contrbutions when picking finals squads and maintaining consistency if possible, Carroll wasn't a contributor to Qualification (neither was Jones or Ox) so Hodgson hasn't washed his selection process through that filter. If he's trying to pick the best mix right now, it should be Holt ahead of Carroll / Crouch.

Fr Tod Umptious

He said F**K like on TV once

Paully D

redzerdrog wrote: »

Easy glen johnson is a better player and englands 1st choice rb and jones provides better cover for cb.

simples

Saying that I would have brought him instead on jones but can see why he wasnt picked

:pac:

A huge price tag can do wonderful things to a players ability.

FatherTed

Not a fan of England so this is quite amusing to say the least. No Micah Richards, Carroll instead of Crouch. Would have put Carrick in there, the best English CM in the Prem this season. Looks like 4-4-2 for them typical. They're lucky they have an easy group.

steelcityblues

Jerry Seinfeld wrote: »

Bad in league due to English players
Good in cups due to Johnny Foreigners

Anyway i think it's all swings and roundabouts with those there and those not. They have as much chance as winning as we do i'd imagine. We can only dream that we both come first/second and get a cut of them in the last 8

I think it is been pretty clear for years that the majority of top players in the EPL are non-English. If you took them out of teams, then the likes of Chelsea would not make it that far in European competition.

For a country of 60 million, England produces shockingly little world class talent, but of course Hodgson on his own can't change this. an I think his selections, bar one or two today, are fine.

Paul Tergat

According to Hodgson, he saw Chamberlain play well against Pirlo and Ambrosini. Ambrosini didn't play, Pirlo isn't even a Milan player.

Oops

kronsington

FatherTed wrote: »

Not a fan of England so this is quite amusing to say the least. No Micah Richards, Carroll instead of Crouch. Would have put Carrick in there, the best English CM in the Prem this season. Looks like 4-4-2 for them typical. They're lucky they have an easy group.

It's hardly an easy group in fairness. France have improved dramatically under Blance, Ukraine are co-hosting and Sweden are always solid

Beefy78

Corholio wrote: »

No good? There's a fair few players in the squad who have supposed 'ability' that have never done it any time for England. Also how else should it work? Pick a squad based on how many times your name appears in the media? throw a dart? Of course it should be if your playing well, even if that goes against about half the England squads credentials this season.

It should be who are the better players, not who happens to be playing well at any one date. I've seen Holt dozens of times through the divisions in England right back to his Shrewsbury Rochdale days and he's an honest, decent Pro but that's it.

It's exactly this line of thinking that got Michael Ricketts an England cap.

SlickRic

also, picking Gerrard, and captaining him, while also claiming Rio was not picked for "footballing reasons" is such bollocks it's untrue.

Gerrard is injury prone, and has played half an hour for England in a year.

keep 'em coming Hodge!

FatherTed

kronsington wrote: »

It's hardly an easy group in fairness. France have improved dramatically under Blance, Ukraine are co-hosting and Sweden are always solid

Oh Please. Compared to ours and the Germany-Netherlands-Denmark-Portugal group, it is WAY easier.

Samich

Pighead wrote: »

Massive? Hardly. Out of the four players you mention I'd only have strong feelings about Downing making the squad.

Jones V Richards is much of a muchness. Carroll V Crouch is also tough to call. Personally I'd have gone for Crouchie but Carroll will offer pretty much the same and you've got the bonus of a player who is high on confidence having finished the season well.

I think Chamberlain could be a fantastic option from the bench and if I were an England fan I'd be happy to see him in there.

Richards is a tank, a massive thread from corners and set pieces, works his balls off too. Johnson 2 years ago maybe. But I rate Richards highly.

How can someone who isn't a starter for a team be considered and option, and so inexperienced too.

Anyone know if any other one of the top teams have brought a young, inexperienced sub with them?

Crouchs record for England has been amazing too.

Tigerandahalf

Can anyone say what the starting team will be.
One reason why I think England will do well is that they have the best keeper they have had in a long time.
A good keeper is on a par with a good striker.

missingtime

Who's back-up captain? Lampard?

Beefy78

FatherTed wrote: »

Oh Please. Compared to ours and the Germany-Netherlands-Denmark-Portugal group, it is WAY easier.

That doesn't make it easy. It could have been more difficult but it's a toss-up between all four sides with no one looking outstanding and no one looking poor.

kitakyushu

Tigerandahalf wrote: »

Can anyone say what the starting team will be.
One reason why I think England will do well is that they have the best keeper they have had in a long time.
A good keeper is on a par with a good striker.

Shilton was rated the best goalkeeper in the world by many back in the mid 1980s. Didn't help England much.

kronsington

FatherTed wrote: »

Oh Please. Compared to ours and the Germany-Netherlands-Denmark-Portugal group, it is WAY easier.

If you want to compare groups, then on paper it's probably easier than the germany/holland group and our own group but it's still not an EASY group as you say, in my opinion. The easiest group on paper is probably group a with greece, russia, poland, czech. Very hard to say how england will do. For once, expectations seem to be realistic in that they dont count themselves amongst as genuine contenders, which might help them. although, give it a few weeks and we'll here stevie, frank and others saying how they're as good as spain etc and have every chance to win. what else would they say!?

Tigerandahalf

They were unlucky not to make the wc final in 1990 at a time Germany and Arg had v good teams.

kitakyushu

I find it a mistake to talk about "strong and weak groups" before a ball has even been kicked. It just never works out according to the seedings and that's why these tournaments are always so interesting for me.

A lot of seems to be based on nothing more than there being a "name" team there. For instance I think Greece could be a dark horse again and Russia have already proved to me that they are a well functioning team. They're two teams in the 'weak' group. By comparison Italy and England look like they're right there for the taking despite their reputations.

Tigerandahalf

Italy should have a strong defence. Chellini is fit. He was CH for a Juventus side that conceded only 20 goals this season.

Pro. F

Versatility does definitely seem to have been one of Hodgeson's strongest influences in this selection. I guess he wants to give himself the maximum flexibility in picking a starting 11. Then whichever 11 bodies learn his notoriously strict positional system
best during the training camp can be slotted into the team.

I think the versatility requirement is why Carrick has lost out, and unluckily so. Jones, Lampard, Gerrard, Milner, Barry and Henderson have all played in other positions, whereas Carrick can't. Defensively Carrick would seem perfect for Hodgeson's zonal cover defence - where positioning discipline is more important than anything else - but it's not to be. In possession I don't think he would be any better at dictating a game, they are all completely incapable of it.

The only chance I thought Hodgeson had of doing well was to bring a player like Leon Britton. But Hodgeson is the most English of English managers and he has made a selection of the most English of English midfielders.

To the people saying that you can't select the likes of Britton because he doesn't have CL experience, he doesn't need it to be a better option than Roy's choices. He has something much more important: skill. All that CL experience won't help this collection of clog dancers in the slightest. I can't see even one central midfielder there who can keep and use possession under pressure.

Add that to the facts they are missing their best striker for the first few games, teams usually take a while to adapt to Hodgeson's style and he will be saying weird shìt to the press and it's all starting to look very bad. This looks set to be a massacre.

Renn

Yeah I think people are going to underestimate Italy again (like they did in 06). Have them down to win it myself.

Tigerandahalf

Who is Leon Britton?

steelcityblues

Tigerandahalf wrote: »

They were unlucky not to make the wc final in 1990 at a time Germany and Arg had v good teams.

Despite all the national euphoria at the time, it has to be remembered they were not the most convincing side either.

Limped past the group stage, almost went to penalties with Belgium before a bit of Platt brilliance, Cameroon should've beaten them in the quarters. They did play well against the Germans, though.

I think the Germans were just about the best team that year, in a mostly boring World Cup.

Turtyturd

missingtime wrote: »

Who's back-up captain? Lampard?

Stewart Downing according to this.

kitakyushu

steelcityblues wrote: »

Despite all the national euphoria at the time, it has to be remembered they were not the most convincing side either.

Limped past the group stage, almost went to penalties with Belgium before a bit of Platt brilliance, Cameroon should've beaten them in the quarters. They did play well against the Germans, though.

I think the Germans were just about the best team that year, in a mostly boring World Cup.

Some world Cup. Ireland v Italy was the only game from the quarter-finals onward that wasn't decided by a penalty kick.

Jax Teller

Tigerandahalf wrote: »

Who is Leon Britton?

Average Swansea player

Tigerandahalf

I havent read all the pages but England team like this?
Hart
Cole Cahill Terry Jones
Gerrard Lampard Downing Chamberlain??
Carrol/Wellbeck Rooney

I am sure I have left someone out.
4 4 2 seems definite though.

SlickRic

Tigerandahalf wrote: »

Who is Leon Britton?

or the standard footballer pic...

MagicMarker

Tigerandahalf wrote: »

I havent read all the pages but England team like this?
Hart
Cole Cahill Terry Jones
Gerrard Lampard Downing Chamberlain??
Carrol/Wellbeck Rooney

I am sure I have left someone out.
4 4 2 seems definite though.

WTF?

kronsington

Tigerandahalf wrote: »

I havent read all the pages but England team like this?
Hart
Cole Cahill Terry Jones
Gerrard Lampard Downing Chamberlain??
Carrol/Wellbeck Rooney

I am sure I have left someone out.
4 4 2 seems definite though.

well if gary neville has his way then they wont be going for a straight 4-4-2. i would play something like this.

1. hart
2. jones
3. cole
4. terry
5. lescott
6.parker
7.barry
8. gerrard
9. welbeck/caroll (til rooney) is back
10. young
11. walcott/chambo

variation of 4-3-3

bullvine

MagicMarker wrote: »

WTF?

Got to be a windup?

Oranage2

Tigerandahalf wrote: »

I havent read all the pages but England team like this?
Hart
Cole Cahill Terry Jones
Gerrard Lampard Downing Chamberlain??
Carrol/Wellbeck Rooney

I am sure I have left someone out.
4 4 2 seems definite though.

I'd guess

..............Hart
Johnson...Lescott..JT...Cole

............Barry
....Gerrard.....Lampard
Walcott...................Young
............Rooney

JP Liz V1

Goalkeepers: Joe Hart (Man City), Robert Green (West Ham), John Ruddy (Norwich)

Defenders: Glen Johnson (Liverpool), Phil Jones (Man United), John Terry (Chelsea), Joleon Lescott (Man City), Gary Cahill (Chelsea), Ashley Cole (Chelsea), Leighton Baines (Everton)

Midfielders: Theo Walcott (Arsenal), Stewart Downing (Liverpool), Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain (Arsenal), Steven Gerrard (Liverpool), Gareth Barry (Man City), Frank Lampard (Chelsea), Scott Parker (Tottenham), Ashley Young (Man United), James Milner (Man City)

Strikers: Wayne Rooney (Man United), Danny Welbeck (Man United), Andy Carroll (Liverpool), Jermain Defoe (Tottenham)

Stand-by: Jack Butland (Birmingham), Phil Jagielka (Everton), Jordan Henderson (Liverpool), Adam Johnson (Man City), Daniel Sturridge (Chelsea)

Steven Gerrard been confirmed as captain but Rio Ferdinand, Aaron Lennon, Michael Carrick and Peter Crouch out :eek:

bullvine

Maybe>

Hart
Johnson
Cahill
Terry
Cole
Walcott
Parker
Lampard
Gerrard
Young
Carroll

SlickRic

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Steven Gerrard been confirmed as captain but Rio Ferdinand, Aaron Lennon, Daniel Sturridge, Michael Carrick and Peter Crouch out :eek:

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

news to me...

Turtyturd

SlickRic wrote: »

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

news to me...

More importantly....has a new manager been named yet?

Blatter

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Hart

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Johnson--Terry---Cahill

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Cole

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Parker--Barry

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Walcott

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Gerrard

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Young

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Welbeck

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I think will be the team for the first two games, with Rooney coming in for Welbeck for the third.

Liam O

You could probably make a team from players left out that would beat the team that will start their first game, so many silly omissions...

Local_Chap

bullvine wrote: »

Maybe>

Hart
Johnson
Cahill
Terry
Cole
Walcott
Parker
Lampard
Gerrard
Young
Carroll

I reckon your bang on there. Rooney will swap with Carroll for the third game.

It will be close between Lescott and Cahill to partner Terry but I think Cahill will get it.

Oxlaide-Chamberlain and Downing will be back-up for Walcott and Young.

Milner and Barry will be the same for the the Centre mids. If Gerrard is out,push Lampard up and bring in Milner or Barry. If Lampard or Parker are out you do the same thing with no need to change their system

Pinturicchio

Tigerandahalf wrote: »

Italy should have a strong defence. Chellini is fit. He was CH for a Juventus side that conceded only 20 goals this season.

Andrea Barzagli was Juve's best defender this season. I hope he has a good tournament, but I can't see Italy doing well.

kitakyushu

stovelid wrote: »

He has a gay name.

He should change his name to Maicon Richards and then he might get picked at RB again.

pistolpetes11

Is this for real ?

http://twitpic.com/9lpr0n

adox

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

He puts in a hard shift but is a very poor finisher .
A grafter ,the new Heskey.

I`ve heard it all now. They are in no way similar as players.