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Management Fees

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  • 07-05-2012 10:25pm
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    flipper87
    Closed Accounts Posts: 68 ✭✭


    I moved into my gated apartment estate two months ago. The gate is controlled by registering my phone number with the management company then ringing a number and the gate will open. This was fine until last week when i was informed that my landlord didn't pay the management fee, and now I can not open the gate. Saturday night someone tried to steal / damage my car within the complex . I am just wondering where, if anywhere, do i stand in getting the car fixed my either the landlord or management company


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    flipper87
    Closed Accounts Posts: 68 ✭✭flipper87


    Anyone have a similar experience like this? I moved into my gated apartment estate two months ago. The gate is controlled by registering my phone number with the management company then ringing a number and the gate will open. This was fine until last week when i was informed that my landlord didn't pay the management fee, and now I can not open the gate. Saturday night someone tried to steal / damage my car within the complex . I am just wondering where, if anywhere, do i stand in getting the car fixed my either the landlord or management company


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    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users Posts: 28,192 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    That would be your Insurance company covering your car Ted


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    flipper87
    Closed Accounts Posts: 68 ✭✭flipper87


    Dougle, why should i go through my insurance if the management are supposed to securing this kip? :D


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    chris85
    Registered Users Posts: 4,502 ✭✭✭chris85


    flipper87 wrote: »
    Dougle, why should i go through my insurance if the management are supposed to securing this kip? :D

    Insurance company. Management company manage the complex and would not be liable for issue like this. Also nothing to do with the landlord.


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    flipper87
    Closed Accounts Posts: 68 ✭✭flipper87


    well thats a kick in the bollox


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    dirtyden
    Registered Users Posts: 1,734 ✭✭✭dirtyden


    flipper87 wrote: »
    Dougle, why should i go through my insurance if the management are supposed to securing this kip? :D

    They provide a gate but not security.

    It will be your car insurance. I hope you reported the attempted break-in when it happened.


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    flipper87
    Closed Accounts Posts: 68 ✭✭flipper87


    dirtyden wrote: »
    They provide a gate but not security.

    It will be your car insurance. I hope you reported the attempted break-in when it happened.

    waitin for the pigaroos now. Only noticed tonight


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    dirtyden
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    flipper87 wrote: »
    waitin for the pigaroos now. Only noticed tonight

    Should be pretty straightforward then.


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    H2UMrsRobinson
    Registered Users Posts: 774 ✭✭✭H2UMrsRobinson


    chris85 wrote: »
    Insurance company. Management company manage the complex and would not be liable for issue like this. Also nothing to do with the landlord.

    If it's agreed the landlord should pay the management fee and he didn't pay it, therefore the tenant could not access the gate to the property - Then I would very much think it IS something to do with the landlord!

    OP who is responsible for the management fee, what does your tenancy agreement say. I'm not saying you should claim from him but you should definitely make him aware of what happened.


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    WoollyRedHat
    Registered Users Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    flipper87 wrote: »
    Anyone have a similar experience like this? I moved into my gated apartment estate two months ago. The gate is controlled by registering my phone number with the management company then ringing a number and the gate will open. This was fine until last week when i was informed that my landlord didn't pay the management fee, and now I can not open the gate. Saturday night someone tried to steal / damage my car within the complex . I am just wondering where, if anywhere, do i stand in getting the car fixed my either the landlord or management company

    Wait how does this work? Do you have to ring up your management company every time you want to nip out or something?


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    flipper87
    Closed Accounts Posts: 68 ✭✭flipper87


    WoollyRedHat wrote: »
    Wait how does this work? Do you have to ring up your management company every time you want to nip out or something?

    Yep. pain in the arse. Especially when you order a curry. U have to ring to let him in then ring to let him out ha. That was better than what i have to do now, the long walk to the gate :(


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    flipper87
    Closed Accounts Posts: 68 ✭✭flipper87


    H2UMrsRobinson wrote: »
    If it's agreed the landlord should pay the management fee and he didn't pay it, therefore the tenant could not access the gate to the property - Then I would very much think it IS something to do with the landlord!

    OP who is responsible for the management fee, what does your tenancy agreement say. I'm not saying you should claim from him but you should definitely make him aware of what happened.

    He was supposed to have paid it already. he lied. Either way i'm not happy, paying the fee or not this should not have happened


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    markpb
    Registered Users Posts: 9,306 ✭✭✭markpb


    WoollyRedHat wrote: »
    Wait how does this work? Do you have to ring up your management company every time you want to nip out or something?

    You register your phone number with a SIM located in a phone built into the gate. When you ring the gates phone number, if it recognises your number and opens the gate. If it doesn't recognise your number, it doesn't open. There should be no actual call and there's no person at the other end.


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    IM0
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    sounds like its safer outside the gates OP


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    WoollyRedHat
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    markpb wrote: »
    You register your phone number with a SIM located in a phone built into the gate. When you ring the gates phone number, if it recognises your number and opens the gate. If it doesn't recognise your number, it doesn't open. There should be no actual call and there's no person at the other end.


    And then, your phone dies! You're ****ed! You'll be hopping over that gate, if you want to get out.
    flipper87 wrote: »
    Yep. pain in the arse. Especially when you order a curry. U have to ring to let him in then ring to let him out ha. That was better than what i have to do now, the long walk to the gate :(

    It isn't a good system if you're some serial killer mind you... not that you are! Just some other radnom person who lives in a gated community and who lures take-away drivers into his dominion.


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    flipper87
    Closed Accounts Posts: 68 ✭✭flipper87


    IM0 wrote: »
    sounds like its safer outside the gates OP

    yep. I wish i knew how they were planning to get out with the car ha. Must have been one of the neighbors


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    ProudDUB
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    The safety and security of your car is your own responsibility. If it is parked in the complex, it is not up to your landlord or the mgt company to compensate you if someone tries to break into it or steal it. Mgt fees are high enough as they are for most people. They would be impossibly high if landlords or mgt companies were held liable for damage or theft of residents cars.

    Your being denied a gate code is a separate issue, unless the car had to be parked outside as you could not get access to the property. But as you said it was within the complex at the time, I presume that that was not the case.


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    athtrasna
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    The access issue is between you and your landlord - if you cannot access the complex your landlord is breaching your lease contract and you would have recourse against them for this.

    No matter where you park your car it would be at your own risk unless you hire a private car security person for your car. Beit on the street, in a public car park or a private car park, the risk is yours.


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    djimi
    Registered Users Posts: 13,237 ✭✭✭✭djimi


    Was the car inside or outside the gates? The way you describe it sounds like it was inside the gates, in which case Im not sure what kind of responsibility you feel the landlord has?

    If it was outside the gates and it was me in that situation I would kick up an almighty fuss and go completely ballistic (part of the reason I live where I do is for the added security for my car), but Im not really sure that it would get me anywhere. Ultimately its up to you to ensure the safety of your car, and if it you cannot secure it within the gated car park for the night then you need to find somewhere secure to leave it overnight. Thats not the landlords responsibility.

    It might however be a valid reason to break the lease; if it is in the lease that the apartment includes secure parking behind a gate and you can no longer gain access to that secure parking then you are no longer getting what you are paying for and the landlord is not upholding their end of the lease.


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    #21
    ted1
    Registered Users Posts: 23,521 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    If you don't have a phone(battery dead), or credit how do you get in ?


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    Victor
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    Threads merged


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    The_Conductor
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 32,285 Mod ✭✭✭✭The_Conductor


    ted1 wrote: »
    If you don't have a phone(battery dead), or credit how do you get in ?

    You wait for another resident who does, and follow them in.......
    We have the exact same system here ourselves.


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    #24
    riclad
    Registered Users Posts: 8,184 ✭✭✭riclad


    Thats a good trick,re gate lock acess thru phone, i hear on pat kenny show, rte radio, many people are not paying management fees ,for various reasons.
    The other residents end up paying for them, paying higher fees, because the maintenance has to be done .
    they may get away with it for years .
    Maybe keep,rent receipt,letter from landlord, with you, in case someone
    trys to stop you going in.


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    #25
    athtrasna
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,420 ✭✭✭✭athtrasna


    riclad wrote: »
    Maybe keep,rent receipt,letter from landlord, with you, in case someone
    trys to stop you going in.

    That would still give you no right. Access is being denied to the landlord for breach of contract. Just because the OP is giving money to said landlord, doesn't give them access rights that the landlord doesn't have. The OP needs to take this up with their landlord.


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