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Another naysayer gone, what will we do now. The new club will be one of the most positive in the country. People will have to find something else to throw they're stones at now.
I understand that the course is a bit tough for some and as a result they are inclined to call easier course 'better' ones.
Never missed a days golf in last year there and only 1 day on temp greens. Now in newlands, hermitage, etc how are those stats!
In terms of difficulty you are delusional if you think it's a particularly difficult course. Be as wild as you like off the tee and you still have a chance of par 90% of the time. Other courses near by will punish you. The only thing that makes the place hard is that bloody wind!! Nice calm dry day there isn't a course out there better for your confidence.
As regards golf last year. The only month were there was little or no golf anywhere was Novermber. I never said the course was unplayable by the way. But you know yourself if the weather is any way poor down below the course it's 10 times worse up there. No protection with trees and you get blown off the tee box while your face is being battered with hail stones and rain. And I am far from a fair weather golfer.0 -
Unfortunately, that's not the way it works. The club is affiliated, not the course. At the moment scgc is affiliated and would continue to be so if the current membership and committee wanted to do so. They would have to find another course in the medium term but the GUI would give them time. The only way I could see the situation changing is if an egm of the current club was called and a new committee elected that the landlords like and one willing to accept all terms etc. What I am saying is that i think this stuff will take time to work through and it won't happen fast.
Which bit of THE "CURRENT" CLUB NO LONGER EXISTS are you having difficulty with? The committee has no status or standing. They had a value in offering the potential to be available as a readymade committee for the new club but if that doesn't happen,a new committee will take up where they left off. You don't carry a pre approved GUI affiliation around, ready to be dropped on a course of your choice. You need a club and a course and the course isn't going anywhere. Everything else can be replaced.
I would have been happy if the committee from the former club stayed with it but if they choose not to, we move on without them.0 -
Unfortunately, that's not the way it works. The club is affiliated, not the course. At the moment scgc is affiliated and would continue to be so if the current membership and committee wanted to do so. They would have to find another course in the medium term but the GUI would give them time. The only way I could see the situation changing is if an egm of the current club was called and a new committee elected that the landlords like and one willing to accept all terms etc. What I am saying is that i think this stuff will take time to work through and it won't happen fast.
Which bit of THE "CURRENT" CLUB NO LONGER EXISTS are you having difficulty with? The committee has no status or standing. They had a value in offering the potential to be available as a readymade committee for the new club but if that doesn't happen,a new committee will take up where they left off. You don't carry a pre approved GUI affiliation around, ready to be dropped on a course of your choice. You need a club and a course and the course isn't going anywhere. Everything else can be replaced.
I would have been happy if the committee from the former club stayed with it but if they choose not to, we move on without them.0 -
The current committee gboru is a committee of something that no longer exists so basically they have no power to do anything mate.
Gambino, As much as it pains me to say it is right this time0 -
I think that's where you are wrong? The current committee is in place until they either resign or are voted off at an egm. They have standing with the current members and the GUI. They cannot just be replaced by some random committee purporting to represent scgc and I am sure the GUI would take a dim view if that was attempted without a proper process. While i agree that they are a club without a course that could be remedied - a remote possibility but one nonetheless. Bottom line a process will need to be followed which will take a bit of time.
There is a new club in formation called South County Golf Club 2012. That club has right of access to the course at Lisheen. That club and only that club is in a position to talk to the GUI. There is no other South County Golf Club.0 -
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I think that's where you are wrong? The current committee is in place until they either resign or are voted off at an egm. They have standing with the current members and the GUI. They cannot just be replaced by some random committee purporting to represent scgc and I am sure the GUI would take a dim view if that was attempted without a proper process. While i agree that they are a club without a course that could be remedied - a remote possibility but one nonetheless. Bottom line a process will need to be followed which will take a bit of time.
There is a new club in formation called South County Golf Club 2012. That club has right of access to the course at Lisheen. That club and only that club is in a position to talk to the GUI. There is no other South County Golf Club.0 -
It's not affiliated though and will have to become re affiliated, I suspect this will be fast tracked to preserve what ever was left0
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You both may be right. Im just thinking things through? Currently the GUI/ILGU has scgc registered and affiliated. I think we can agree on that? The elected officers of that club are the only ones the GUI will deal with in relation to that club. You can't just ring them up one day and say we are the new committee of this club without having conducted an egm. Especially mid year? They would need to be informed by the current officers that the club is no more. The new club would then register as a new club and the affiliation process would begin for the new club? Am I missing something???
However, the only people the GUI can now communicate with are the owners of the new club and those operating under the remit of that new club. That club will have its own Memo and Arts and constitution, which may or may not require an election process for captain, committee etc. They could as easily be appointed by the owners and the GUI would have no probem with that. Democracy is not a requirement for GUI affiliation.0 -
matt-dublin wrote: »It's not affiliated though and will have to become re affiliated, I suspect this will be fast tracked to preserve what ever was left0
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Absolutely not a hope will the GUI fast track anything. And i know. Its a completely new club. Some people seem to be struggling understanding this. Its a complex situation and the GUI will need assurances.0
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Alrite Chief wrote: »Absolutely not a hope will the GUI fast track anything. And i know. Its a completely new club. Some people seem to be struggling understanding this. Its a complex situation and the GUI will need assurances.
So was the committee wrong in believing that it would be sorted in a few weeks? Was the GUI leading them on in telling them it would?0 -
Alrite Chief wrote: »Absolutely not a hope will the GUI fast track anything. And i know. Its a completely new club. Some people seem to be struggling understanding this. Its a complex situation and the GUI will need assurances.
I tend to agree with you. Not only will they follow their process to the letter, they will be aware of the issues regarding the bank currenlty claiming a lien on the clubhouse etc. They will question the validity of PL insurance etc. etc. It took them 2 months just to review a previous club constitution I was involved with. Those who think this will all be straightforward and quick are IMO misguided. The ILGU are even slower I hear? So ladies, expect some delays.0 -
Alrite Chief wrote: »Absolutely not a hope will the GUI fast track anything. And i know. Its a completely new club. Some people seem to be struggling understanding this. Its a complex situation and the GUI will need assurances.
So was the committee wrong in believing that it would be sorted in a few weeks? Was the GUI leading them on in telling them it would?0 -
Pray how was it ever going to be the "OLD" club? From the day it went into liquidation the GUI knew it was going to be dealing with a new club. According to the captain, GUI still assured them it could happen quickly. The need to arrange a new committee may cause a slight delay but that would be a club, rather than GUI delay. It would not alter the overall GUI attitude to getting the club back in business.
Maybe we will learn more on Monday.0 -
Pray how was it ever going to be the "OLD" club? From the day it went into liquidation the GUI knew it was going to be dealing with a new club. According to the captain, GUI still assured them it could happen quickly. The need to arrange a new committee may cause a slight delay but that would be a club, rather than GUI delay. It would not alter the overall GUI attitude to getting the club back in business.
Maybe we will learn more on Monday.
The GUI couldn't care less about the old Board or the Property or Ltd company. They are only interested in the Mens Club, it's constitution and the officers of that club. Same for the ILGU and the ladies. They are also interested in their affiliation fees. My understanding was they were giving the 'old' club the breathing space to get back on the current course and be in a position to continue as a club. This would have been the easiest and simplest approach as the club was already affiliated and had known officers and an agreed constitution that was accepted by the GUI/ILGU. The fact that the landlord has now said they are going to set up their own club is a game changer. I believe the new club will require a new application for affiliation. Unfortunately, these things are black and white and you can't have your cake and eat it. You can't claim on the one hand that the 'old' club is now dead in the water, ceases to exist, is no more (sounds like the parrot sketch) and then try and somehow fast track a new committee and new club in under the old clubs affiliation and constitution. There is not a snowballs chance in hell that the GUI/ILGU will do that. The only way the old clubs affiliation could be 'reused' is if a new committee of that club took over, agreed the landlords terms through a proper process and informed the GUI of the outcome. But I don't think that is going to happen. I look forward to the meeting on Monday but on the affiliation issue I believe it will be a new application from a new club and will take months not weeks to work through.0 -
Had a practice round this morning for the competitions next weekend. Greens great, fairways great, light rough great, heavy rough is now heavy, bunkers ok, edges of bunkers not okay. Overall amazing what has been achieved. The edges of bunkers will be sorted this week.
There was a small bit of leakage in the sky overhead and the wind machine was on medium. The Kavanaghs have promised to sort these!
I got the same abuse as poor Gambino for sticking with the facts. For whoever is accusing me of lying, well I played close to 100 rounds last year, one on temporary greens and I had no plans to play on the handful of days when SC was closed due to flooding. So this is not lying or misleading.
I've only spent time on this forum to give info to people that board / committee were not giving them, but seems I'm getting the same treatment as Gambino for sticking with facts, it's a shame when facts ruin an agenda.
Some more Facts:
The old committee are dead as regards SC golf course.
New affiliation is no bother and almost there.
Comps next weekend.
Course great as above, just around bunkers needs sorting.
150 for rest of year for those who paid in full, 420 for those on DD. 1,080 for 2013 payable 90 a month.
Owner managed course so much greater focus on cost management and making it work.
New committee will be formed, their only role is comps and handicaps.0 -
The GUI couldn't care less about the old Board or the Property or Ltd company. They are only interested in the Mens Club, it's constitution and the officers of that club. Same for the ILGU and the ladies. They are also interested in their affiliation fees. My understanding was they were giving the 'old' club the breathing space to get back on the current course and be in a position to continue as a club. This would have been the easiest and simplest approach as the club was already affiliated and had known officers and an agreed constitution that was accepted by the GUI/ILGU. The fact that the landlord has now said they are going to set up their own club is a game changer. I believe the new club will require a new application for affiliation. Unfortunately, these things are black and white and you can't have your cake and eat it. You can't claim on the one hand that the 'old' club is now dead in the water, ceases to exist, is no more (sounds like the parrot sketch) and then try and somehow fast track a new committee and new club in under the old clubs affiliation and constitution. There is not a snowballs chance in hell that the GUI/ILGU will do that. The only way the old clubs affiliation could be 'reused' is if a new committee of that club took over, agreed the landlords terms through a proper process and informed the GUI of the outcome. But I don't think that is going to happen. I look forward to the meeting on Monday but on the affiliation issue I believe it will be a new application from a new club and will take months not weeks to work through.
Lets hope it is all a bit clearer after Monday.0 -
Ding..Will the "competition" next week be a qualifying event0
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Had a practice round this morning for the competitions next weekend. Greens great, fairways great, light rough great, heavy rough is now heavy, bunkers ok, edges of bunkers not okay. Overall amazing what has been achieved. The edges of bunkers will be sorted this week.
There was a small bit of leakage in the sky overhead and the wind machine was on medium. The Kavanaghs have promised to sort these!
I got the same abuse as poor Gambino for sticking with the facts. For whoever is accusing me of lying, well I played close to 100 rounds last year, one on temporary greens and I had no plans to play on the handful of days when SC was closed due to flooding. So this is not lying or misleading.
I've only spent time on this forum to give info to people that board / committee were not giving them, but seems I'm getting the same treatment as Gambino for sticking with facts, it's a shame when facts ruin an agenda.
Some more Facts:
The old committee are dead as regards SC golf course.
New affiliation is no bother and almost there.
Comps next weekend.
Course great as above, just around bunkers needs sorting.
150 for rest of year for those who paid in full, 420 for those on DD. 1,080 for 2013 payable 90 a month.
Owner managed course so much greater focus on cost management and making it work.
New committee will be formed, their only role is comps and handicaps.
Ding Ding, is the comp next weekend a qualifying GUI event for handicap or just an internal comp? If it's the former then the affiliation process must have kicked off a while back with the new club and so rejoining may not be a bad idea? However, I would have to see it to believe it? You sound like you have some inside knowledge, can you share on when the affiliation is likely to come through and how it was done? Also, is there a ladies comp next weekend?0 -
Had a practice round this morning for the competitions next weekend. Greens great, fairways great, light rough great, heavy rough is now heavy, bunkers ok, edges of bunkers not okay. Overall amazing what has been achieved. The edges of bunkers will be sorted this week.
There was a small bit of leakage in the sky overhead and the wind machine was on medium. The Kavanaghs have promised to sort these!
I got the same abuse as poor Gambino for sticking with the facts. For whoever is accusing me of lying, well I played close to 100 rounds last year, one on temporary greens and I had no plans to play on the handful of days when SC was closed due to flooding. So this is not lying or misleading.
I've only spent time on this forum to give info to people that board / committee were not giving them, but seems I'm getting the same treatment as Gambino for sticking with facts, it's a shame when facts ruin an agenda.
Some more Facts:
The old committee are dead as regards SC golf course.
New affiliation is no bother and almost there.
Comps next weekend.
Course great as above, just around bunkers needs sorting.
150 for rest of year for those who paid in full, 420 for those on DD. 1,080 for 2013 payable 90 a month.
Owner managed course so much greater focus on cost management and making it work.
New committee will be formed, their only role is comps and handicaps.
I just wish I was as accurate with my irons.0 -
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Alrite Chief wrote: »
Another naysayer gone, what will we do now. The new club will be one of the most positive in the country. People will have to find something else to throw they're stones at now.
I understand that the course is a bit tough for some and as a result they are inclined to call easier course 'better' ones.
Never missed a days golf in last year there and only 1 day on temp greens. Now in newlands, hermitage, etc how are those stats!
In terms of difficulty you are delusional if you think it's a particularly difficult course. Be as wild as you like off the tee and you still have a chance of par 90% of the time. Other courses near by will punish you. The only thing that makes the place hard is that bloody wind!! Nice calm dry day there isn't a course out there better for your confidence.
As regards golf last year. The only month were there was little or no golf anywhere was Novermber. I never said the course was unplayable by the way. But you know yourself if the weather is any way poor down below the course it's 10 times worse up there. No protection with trees and you get blown off the tee box while your face is being battered with hail stones and rain. And I am far from a fair weather golfer.
Not at all happy to see members gone, I'm providing info here in the absence of any from the committee so people can make informed decisions. My point was that some people are getting a kick out of throwing stones at a club in bother, some of whom were members, if they are gone then that is surely not a loss.
However to the vast majority who just liked the course, members, staff etc I hope they join the new club and get back to having fun.
To those that love politics, try a political party but leave us to hit a ball around a field in the least number of shots, that's all golf is after all.0 -
Had a practice round this morning for the competitions next weekend. Greens great, fairways great, light rough great, heavy rough is now heavy, bunkers ok, edges of bunkers not okay. Overall amazing what has been achieved. The edges of bunkers will be sorted this week.
There was a small bit of leakage in the sky overhead and the wind machine was on medium. The Kavanaghs have promised to sort these!
I got the same abuse as poor Gambino for sticking with the facts. For whoever is accusing me of lying, well I played close to 100 rounds last year, one on temporary greens and I had no plans to play on the handful of days when SC was closed due to flooding. So this is not lying or misleading.
I've only spent time on this forum to give info to people that board / committee were not giving them, but seems I'm getting the same treatment as Gambino for sticking with facts, it's a shame when facts ruin an agenda.
Some more Facts:
The old committee are dead as regards SC golf course.
New affiliation is no bother and almost there.
Comps next weekend.
Course great as above, just around bunkers needs sorting.
150 for rest of year for those who paid in full, 420 for those on DD. 1,080 for 2013 payable 90 a month.
Owner managed course so much greater focus on cost management and making it work.
New committee will be formed, their only role is comps and handicaps.
I just wish I was as accurate with my irons.
Fair enough Gambino, maybe that's a good policy that I'll adopt so, we'll all have to improve the irons now that the heavy rough is heavy!0 -
Had a practice round this morning for the competitions next weekend. Greens great, fairways great, light rough great, heavy rough is now heavy, bunkers ok, edges of bunkers not okay. Overall amazing what has been achieved. The edges of bunkers will be sorted this week.
There was a small bit of leakage in the sky overhead and the wind machine was on medium. The Kavanaghs have promised to sort these!
I got the same abuse as poor Gambino for sticking with the facts. For whoever is accusing me of lying, well I played close to 100 rounds last year, one on temporary greens and I had no plans to play on the handful of days when SC was closed due to flooding. So this is not lying or misleading.
I've only spent time on this forum to give info to people that board / committee were not giving them, but seems I'm getting the same treatment as Gambino for sticking with facts, it's a shame when facts ruin an agenda.
Some more Facts:
The old committee are dead as regards SC golf course.
New affiliation is no bother and almost there.
Comps next weekend.
Course great as above, just around bunkers needs sorting.
150 for rest of year for those who paid in full, 420 for those on DD. 1,080 for 2013 payable 90 a month.
Owner managed course so much greater focus on cost management and making it work.
New committee will be formed, their only role is comps and handicaps.
Ding Ding, is the comp next weekend a qualifying GUI event for handicap or just an internal comp? If it's the former then the affiliation process must have kicked off a while back with the new club and so rejoining may not be a bad idea? However, I would have to see it to believe it? You sound like you have some inside knowledge, can you share on when the affiliation is likely to come through and how it was done? Also, is there a ladies comp next weekend?
Not 100% on this but suspect an 'internal' comp but affiliation is well underway but might be too tight to have a qualifier by next weekend. Yes, ladies comp too.
The owners are arranging affiliation and a new committee.
The old committee seem to have wasted the last month on trying to control affairs that had nothing to do with them.
Thankfully the owners sent out a good clear communication yesterday and are firing ahead.
I would suggest that people sign up as we've lost 6 weeks golf already and nothing to lose as its on DD, if you are not happy, then cancel DD.0 -
Had a practice round this morning for the competitions next weekend. Greens great, fairways great, light rough great, heavy rough is now heavy, bunkers ok, edges of bunkers not okay. Overall amazing what has been achieved. The edges of bunkers will be sorted this week.
There was a small bit of leakage in the sky overhead and the wind machine was on medium. The Kavanaghs have promised to sort these!
I got the same abuse as poor Gambino for sticking with the facts. For whoever is accusing me of lying, well I played close to 100 rounds last year, one on temporary greens and I had no plans to play on the handful of days when SC was closed due to flooding. So this is not lying or misleading.
I've only spent time on this forum to give info to people that board / committee were not giving them, but seems I'm getting the same treatment as Gambino for sticking with facts, it's a shame when facts ruin an agenda.
Some more Facts:
The old committee are dead as regards SC golf course.
New affiliation is no bother and almost there.
Comps next weekend.
Course great as above, just around bunkers needs sorting.
150 for rest of year for those who paid in full, 420 for those on DD. 1,080 for 2013 payable 90 a month.
Owner managed course so much greater focus on cost management and making it work.
New committee will be formed, their only role is comps and handicaps.
Ding Ding, is the comp next weekend a qualifying GUI event for handicap or just an internal comp? If it's the former then the affiliation process must have kicked off a while back with the new club and so rejoining may not be a bad idea? However, I would have to see it to believe it? You sound like you have some inside knowledge, can you share on when the affiliation is likely to come through and how it was done? Also, is there a ladies comp next weekend?
Not 100% on this but suspect an 'internal' comp but affiliation is well underway but might be too tight to have a qualifier by next weekend. Yes, ladies comp too.
The owners are arranging affiliation and a new committee.
The old committee seem to have wasted the last month on trying to control affairs that had nothing to do with them.
Thankfully the owners sent out a good clear communication yesterday and are firing ahead.
I would suggest that people sign up as we've lost 6 weeks golf already and nothing to lose as its on DD, if you are not happy, then cancel DD.0 -
Not 100% on this but suspect an 'internal' comp but affiliation is well underway but might be too tight to have a qualifier by next weekend. Yes, ladies comp too.
The owners are arranging affiliation and a new committee.
The old committee seem to have wasted the last month on trying to control affairs that had nothing to do with them.
Thankfully the owners sent out a good clear communication yesterday and are firing ahead.
I would suggest that people sign up as we've lost 6 weeks golf already and nothing to lose as its on DD, if you are not happy, then cancel DD.
"internal" comp....no such thing. Just a friendly knockabout.
I'm already in two Golf societies. I wont be signing up to any unaffiliated course. I suspect most golfers feel the same.0 -
Not 100% on this but suspect an 'internal' comp but affiliation is well underway but might be too tight to have a qualifier by next weekend. Yes, ladies comp too.
The owners are arranging affiliation and a new committee.
The old committee seem to have wasted the last month on trying to control affairs that had nothing to do with them.
Thankfully the owners sent out a good clear communication yesterday and are firing ahead.
I would suggest that people sign up as we've lost 6 weeks golf already and nothing to lose as its on DD, if you are not happy, then cancel DD.
"internal" comp....no such thing. Just a friendly knockabout.
I'm already in two Golf societies. I wont be signing up to any unaffiliated course. I suspect most golfers feel the same.
Don't understand the big deal about needing affiliation instantly. We don't all play in a big GUI event every weekend with big money prizes competing with golfers all over the coubtry, there might be 50-100 in a comp for a pair of shoes!
The owners tried dealing with the committee, they've now realised this was a waste of time so they're getting their own affiliation.
So this takes a few days or even weeks, shock horror. What's the effect, we can't play opens for a little while? Why not get back playing golf instantly instead of wanting affiliation instantly?0 -
Ding Ding heaven forbid people would want to have an affiliated golf club to play competitive golf.Myself and most people I play with are trying to better their handicap. Spinning your wheels on internal comps or social golf lost its appeal weeks ago0
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Ding Ding heaven forbid people would want to have an affiliated golf club to play competitive golf.Myself and most people I play with are trying to better their handicap. Spinning your wheels on internal comps or social golf lost its appeal weeks ago
If you want to be a member of a club, how about thinking in terms of helping it survive and grow and not just what it can do for you?0 -
Ding Ding heaven forbid people would want to have an affiliated golf club to play competitive golf.Myself and most people I play with are trying to better their handicap. Spinning your wheels on internal comps or social golf lost its appeal weeks ago
If you want to be a member of a club, how about thinking in terms of helping it survive and grow and not just what it can do for you?0 -
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Ding Ding heaven forbid people would want to have an affiliated golf club to play competitive golf.Myself and most people I play with are trying to better their handicap. Spinning your wheels on internal comps or social golf lost its appeal weeks ago
I hear you, I've made the best of being a golf refugee recently and enjoyed the generosity of other courses.
The new club is the next step in getting back playing competitive golf in South County. It would be great to do it all overnight.
The first priority was getting course maintained and this has been largely done. If everyone waits for everything to be perfect, then it's standstill.
The board and committee have both failed. The owners are now offering a new low cost, zero risk alternative so how about we all support them.
I too want to better my handicap but that's a medium to long term goal and a few weeks waiting on affiliation papers will make no difference.0
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