Israel having a problem with gas supply.

ejmaztec

Surely it's not going to kick off over a gas bill?:eek:

Egypt-Israel Gas Issue Becoming Explosive
By Adam Morrow and Khaled Moussa al-Omrani



CAIRO, May 9, 2012 (IPS) - The two weeks since Egypt's abrupt cancellation of a Mubarak-era gas-export deal with Israel have seen an exchange of indirect threats and warnings between the two countries, culminating in an apparent Israeli military build-up on the border of Egypt's Sinai Peninsula.

"In recent days, Israel appears to have begun preparing for military deployments on its southern border," Tarek Fahmi, head of the Israel desk at the Cairo-based National Centre for Middle East Studies, told IPS.

http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=107720

tallaghtmick

Wonder how long before Israel junior aka America decides theres enough reasons to attack Egypt

mawk

man, those poor jewish guys just cannot get a break when it comes to gas..

SEPT 23 1989

I wish they would just get it over and done with

Dermighty

The Irony

danniemcq

No blood for gas!

CardBordWindow

That's gas!

wes

The gas deal was a terrible deal for Egypt. Basically corrupt officials on both sides who were paid off, made this deal. Now the current government has rightly rescinded the deal, after Israel didn't pay there bills. So, I fail to see what the issue is. Perhaps they ought to pay there bill and then maybe a fair price can be negotiatied now that corrupt officials in Egypt can be punished if they try anything.

Also, the gas deal has nothing to do with camp david, so I have no clue what Israel is on about in that regard.

ejmaztec

wes wrote: »

The gas deal was a terrible deal for Egypt. Basically corrupt officials on both sides who were paid off, made this deal. Now the current government has rightly rescinded the deal, after Israel didn't pay there bills. So, I fail to see what the issue is. Perhaps they ought to pay there bill and then maybe a fair price can be negotiatied now that corrupt officials in Egypt can be punished if they try anything.

Also, the gas deal has nothing to do with camp david, so I have no clue what Israel is on about in that regard.

That would be for camping gas.

Lionel Messy

If they are having problems with gas, they should lay off the beans.

ah fcuk it, the good one's have been said!

sbsquarepants

They've been at war for decades over their imaginary friend - they'll nuke someone over the gas bill being too high:)

Augmerson

Jesus Christ, is there not any problem that Israel won't try solving by bombing the **** out of somebody? Bullies.

ejmaztec

sbsquarepants wrote: »

They've been at war for decades over their imaginary friend - they'll nuke someone over the gas bill being too high:)

I hope there's no Israeli troop build-up over their Dublin embassy's Bord Gáis bill :eek:

golden lane

too many new settlements on the west bank........

brimal

Misleading story.

Israel had already deployed troops to the border since last week due to the growing security breaches on the border.

It is not some attempt at posturing by Israel, this troop deployment was already planned and carried out before this gas line was cut.

And why would Israel go to war over a gas line they have been weaning themselves off now for the past year or more? Egypt's inability to stop the dozen or so attacks on the line this year means Israel never really had much of a supply from this line during 2012 anyway.

In 2013 Israel opens their own gas fields and plans to even become an exporter of gas soon after, so to suggest things will 'kick off' over this is complete nonsense.

Capt'n Midnight

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-17808954

Egypt's state-owned gas company says it has scrapped a controversial deal which supplies Israel with 40% of its natural gas at lower than market prices.
...
Israeli officials insist the terms of the contract are fair, but Egyptian prosecutors said last April the state had lost more than $714m.

The details of the deal have never been released publicly, but former Egyptian officials have said the gas was initially sold to EMG at about $1.25 per British thermal unit (BTU), and then increased in 2008 to $4 per BTU. EMG was able to negotiate its own terms with Israeli buyers.
...
"The big saying here in Egypt is that we are subsidising the Israeli people while we are not subsidising the Egyptians," Tamer Abu Bakr, the chairman of Genco Group, an Egyptian natural gas distribution company, told the Wall Street Journal.

Stiffler2

Israels
Jews
Gas


Must resist,......MUST.......RESIST.......

Nothingbetter2d

Stiffler2 wrote: »

Israels
Jews
Gas


Must resist,......MUST.......RESIST.......

Resistance is Futile

Chamone MF

A 1.2.3.........Throw the Israeli down the gas well.

golden lane

now doubt, the head of the gas company....will be on trial soon.........

the going rate for washers in israel......has dropped dramatically...........

ejmaztec

Stiffler2 wrote: »

Israels
Jews
Gas


Must resist,......MUST.......RESIST.......

I did, and even chewed one of my lips off before finishing the opening post.:P

Zebra3

brimal wrote: »

In 2013 Israel opens their own gas fields and plans to even become an exporter of gas soon after, so to suggest things will 'kick off' over this is complete nonsense.

Does that include the gas fields off the coast of Gaza that Israel is stealing?

shedweller

Zebra3 wrote: »

brimal wrote: »

In 2013 Israel opens their own gas fields and plans to even become an exporter of gas soon after, so to suggest things will 'kick off' over this is complete nonsense.

Does that include the gas fields off the coast of Gaza that Israel is stealing?

Took the words right out of my mouth!

I too would like an answer to that.

brimal

Zebra3 wrote: »

Does that include the gas fields off the coast of Gaza that Israel is stealing?

Nope, I was referring to Tamar opening in 2013 and Leviathan a few years later. Israel might disputes with Lebanon in the coming years over Leviathan however.

paddyandy

At least they are not giving Gas away with loads of royalty money as people say we are .
Do they need our advice anyway ?

Ash.J.Williams

America f** yeah.......boom take that pyramids.....boom take that valley of the kings....boom there goes sphinx....

Ash.J.Williams

paddyandy wrote: »

At least they are not giving Gas away with loads of royalty money as people say we are .
Do they need our advice anyway ?

are we giving gas away?

shedweller

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

paddyandy wrote: »

At least they are not giving Gas away with loads of royalty money as people say we are .
Do they need our advice anyway ?

are we giving gas away?

Pretty much. We lowered the MRRT on it a few years ago and any taxes due can be written off. Nice number if you can get it!

paddyandy

They don't need our advice or veiled criticism .

RichieC

Augmerson wrote: »

Jesus Christ, is there not any problem that Israel won't try solving by bombing the **** out of somebody? Bullies.

When all you have is a hammer in your tool box everything starts to look like a nail.

shedweller

RichieC wrote: »

Augmerson wrote: »

Jesus Christ, is there not any problem that Israel won't try solving by bombing the **** out of somebody? Bullies.

When all you have is a hammer in your tool box everything starts to look like a nail.

Ah come on!! They have more than a hammer in their toolbox! They're doing fairly well with the billion p/a of weapons delivered from the US.

Nodin

paddyandy wrote: »

They don't need our advice or veiled criticism .

....people are veiling their criticism of Israel?

Nodin

shedweller wrote: »

Ah come on!! They have more than a hammer in their toolbox! They're doing fairly well with the billion p/a of weapons delivered from the US.

Now lets be realistic here - those aren't going to be used. Tony Blair is down there as Peace Envoy. Sure what could go wrong.

paddyandy

Nodin wrote: »

....people are veiling their criticism of Israel?

Threads start of on some fairly innocent point and soon enough the real agenda appears .

ejmaztec

shedweller wrote: »

Ah come on!! They have more than a hammer in their toolbox! They're doing fairly well with the billion p/a of weapons delivered from the US.

There are many different varieties of hammers at their disposal, but they prefer sledgehammers for walnut-type situations.

golden lane

will israel be lending gas in the near future............on what therms ????????

Nodin

paddyandy wrote: »

Threads start of on some fairly innocent point and soon enough the real agenda appears .

Whatever the objective truth of the news report, this doesn't look like an "innocent point" to me.

OP wrote:

The two weeks since Egypt's abrupt cancellation of a Mubarak-era gas-export deal with Israel have seen an exchange of indirect threats and warnings between the two countries, culminating in an apparent Israeli military build-up on the border of Egypt's Sinai Peninsula.

Whats the "real agenda" when its at home?

Zebra3

Zebra3 wrote: »

Does that include the gas fields off the coast of Gaza that Israel is stealing?

No God said they could have those fields.:rolleyes:

hatrickpatrick

Literally:
Israel: Give us what we want!!!
Anyone else: ..........no.
Israel: MUSTER THE IDF!!! *boom*

Kinda sad really.

Cognitive Cascade

Israelis disputing about gas?What next?...a war with the Chinese because they won't sell them cheap ovens?

k.p.h

The only reason the peace deal between Israel and Egypt lasted so long was because of Mubarak, seems like the scumbags like to stick together. Now that Mubarak has been ousted the Egyptian dislike for Israel will become more evident and wide spread. And why not, Israel is a disgusting little country only proved even more by the fact that they were in cahoots with the equally as disgusting Mubarak.

Zebra3

Deleted User wrote: »

No God said they could have those fields.:rolleyes:

Pity the Israelis bombed Gaza's main sewerage plant which means sewage is pumped into the sea off the cost of Gaza untreated and the fish reserves have disappeared off the Gazan coast as a result while the people of Gaza starve.

*Waits for racist accusation from zionist loons*

Zebra3

Zebra3 wrote: »

Pity the Israelis bombed Gaza's main sewerage plant which means sewage is pumped into the sea off the cost of Gaza untreated and the fish reserves have disappeared off the Gazan coast as a result while the people of Gaza starve.

*Waits for racist accusation from zionist loons*

Got a source for this?

Zebra3

Deleted User wrote: »

Got a source for this?

If you know how to use Google, knock yourself out with all the links you'll find there.

shedweller

Deleted User wrote: »

Got a source for this?

http://www.google.ie/#hl=en&sclient=psy-ab&q=israel+bombed+sewage+plant+gaza&oq=israel+bombed+sewage+plant+gaza&aq=f&aqi=q-w1&aql=&gs_l=hp.3..33i21.1267.11692.0.12346.33.30.1.2.2.4.1287.9494.14j3j0j4j3j2j2j2.30.0...0.0.GWbnxEkK8uE&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=8e550415a8c4aa59&biw=1280&bih=845&safe=on

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israeli-strikes-leave-blair-project-with-major-repairs-1517855.html

http://www.gisha.org/userfiles/File/publications_/Infrastructures_Report_Aug09_Eng.pdf

http://www.unitar.org/unosat/maps/42

http://unosat-maps.web.cern.ch/unosat-maps/PS/Crisis2008/UNOSAT_Gaza_Sewage_Plant_Pre_Post_Map_v12_Lowres.pdf

paddyandy

MEMRI TV interesting me news with subtitles .

Nodin

paddyandy wrote: »

MEMRI TV interesting me news with subtitles .

MEMRI is essentially a propaganda tool.

Zebra3

Zebra3 wrote: »

If you know how to use Google, knock yourself out with all the links you'll find there.

A) You'd leave yourself less open to accusations of galloping racism from "Zionist loons" if you'd simply back up your own claims by putting the source there yourself rather than telling people to go get it yourself.

Well, I thought I could use Google, but it seems I'm having problems finding anything on the depletion of fish stocks. And that's what I asked in the first place. I'm aware of the sewage plant being damaged, what I'm wasn't aware of was all the fish getting poisoned. Can you quote a credible source for that or not?

Just asking.

wes

paddyandy wrote: »

MEMRI TV interesting me news with subtitles .

From Source Watch:

Issues of reliability and veracity

MEMRI is operated by a group closely associated with the Israeli intelligence organizations. Now, in an article in Haaretz, we find that the Israeli Army has sought to plant stories about "terrorism" in the press, and

"Psychological warfare officers were in touch with Israeli journalists covering the Arab world, gave them translated articles from Arab papers (which were planted by the [Israel Defense Forces] IDF) and pressed the Israeli reporters to publish the same news here." --Amos Harel, IDF reviving psychological warfare unit, Haaretz, January 25, 2005.

This should raise a question or two about the reliability and veracity of the stories peddled by MEMRI.

This is what Prof. Juan Cole had to say about this:

"So is MEMRI, which translates articles from the Arabic press into English for thousands of US subscribers, in any way involved in all this? Its director formerly served in… Israeli military intelligence. How much of what we "know" from "Arab sources" about "Hizbullah terrorism" was simply made up by this fantasy factory in Tel Aviv?
As someone who reads the Arabic press quite a lot, this sort of revelation is extremely disturbing.
I also saw an allegation that British military intelligence had planted stories in the US press about Saddam's Iraq.
You begin to wonder how much of what you think you know is just propaganda manufactured by some bored colonel. No wonder post-Baath Iraq looks nothing like what we were led to to expect by the press, including the Arab press!" [6]

Another assessment:

If you rely on MEMRI for your knowledge of Arab discourse, you are really not informed. Arab public opinion, based on MEMRI's releases, is reduced or caricatured to either Bin Laden fans or Bush fans, while Arab public opinion is mosty a fan of neither people. --As'ad AbuKhalil[7]

Although widely used in the mainstream media as a source of information on the Arab world, it is as trustworthy as Julius Streicher's Der Sturmer was on the Jewish world. --Norman Finkelstein [8]

Also, an example of false transaltions:

Los Angeles based Syrian/American Psychiatrist Wafa Sultan appeared on an al-Jazeera television show opposite Dr. Ibrahim al-Khouly, a lecturer at Cairo's Al-Azhar University. Memri offered a heavily edited version of the show, and mistranslated several of the exchanges, making it appear that al-Khouly had issued a death fatwa against Sultan. Wafa Sultan became known as someone who had her life threatened because of her "Clash of Civilizations" point of view.

It turns out that Sultan had appeared on a daytime al Jazeera show, roughly equivalent to Jerry Springer, that Western Educated Dr. Ibrahim al-Khouly had not issued a fatwa, and as he is not a recognized Mufti, had he issued a fatwa, it would not be considered in any way, authoritarian.

A secularist blog covering topics broadly related to MENA, named Aqoul, took a tape of the whole show, and translated it, making it available in a PDF file: Transcript Translation: al-Jazeera - The Opposite Direction (26/02/2006). Posts on Aqoul, as well as one on the Winds of Change blog offer a great deal of insight into the distortions:

Fatwas and Wafa Sultan, Aqoul, March 15, 2006
On MEMRI & Translations: Winds of Change, a Thread Reply, Aqoul, March 29, 2006
How to be a Muslim reformer, Aqoul, March 13, 2006
MEMRI Mendacity, brief thoughts, Aqoul, October 14, 2006
A Fine Illustration of MEMRI Mendacity, Aqoul, October 14, 2006
Wafa Sultan: A tale of two transcripts, Winds of Change, March 30, 2006

Memri are not a trust worthy source at all.....

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

A) You'd leave yourself less open to accusations of galloping racism from "Zionist loons" if you'd simply back up your own claims by putting the source there yourself rather than telling people to go get it yourself.

Teach a man to fish and all that.

deandean

I suggest Dervish sets up a 'Love Your Neighbour' gig at the border. That'll defuse the situation, both sides will spend days wondering what the bejaysus they were singing about.