Euro 2012 Draft

G.K.

It didn't quite finish, but I for one enjoyed the whole EPL draft that Bamboozling did last year. I was thinking that we could do a EURO 2012 draft, if people here were interested.

I'd like to gague interest in taking part and also opinions on the format of the thing - which I will do via the poll.

I was envisaging a 16 team competition with a straight knockout format, but other systems could be used. I don't really want to go above 24 teams.

As regard to the draft process, we'd be picking XI's from players named in the final EURO 2012 squads, which have to be named by the 29th of this month. Maximum of 3 players from a nation and you can't pick 2 from a nation in sucession. The'd also be 2 wildcard rounds (Probably 4th and 9th) - 1 for European players not at the Euros for whatever reason (Injury, suspension, not being selected, retired from international duty, country not qualifying etc...), and 1 for either ROW players or historical Euro players (I'd rather the former but if the latter was favoured more I'd go for that).

My other question would be voting system - should it be simply a poll/measure of thanks of a post in the match threads, or for votes to count should judgement be developed?

Thanks for any responses. I won't start the draft process or anything until this time in a fortnight, because my exams have got to take priority over anything else until then.

Liam O

I would but seeing how long the last one took I'm not sure if it'd be done by the 9th of June as I'll be going to Poland. Until then I have very little to be doing outside working part time though so if you think it'll be done in a month then count me in but it's doubtful.

Adolf Hipster

Poll-based voting

G.K. wrote: »

It didn't quite finish, but I for one enjoyed the whole EPL draft that Bamboozling did last year. I was thinking that we could do a EURO 2012 draft, if people here were interested.

I'd like to gague interest in taking part and also opinions on the format of the thing - which I will do via the poll.

I was envisaging a 16 team competition with a straight knockout format, but other systems could be used. I don't really want to go above 24 teams.

As regard to the draft process, we'd be picking XI's from players named in the final EURO 2012 squads, which have to be named by the 29th of this month. Maximum of 3 players from a nation and you can't pick 2 from a nation in sucession. The'd also be 2 wildcard rounds (Probably 4th and 9th) - 1 for European players not at the Euros for whatever reason (Injury, suspension, not being selected, retired from international duty, country not qualifying etc...), and 1 for either ROW players or historical Euro players (I'd rather the former but if the latter was favoured more I'd go for that).

My other question would be voting system - should it be simply a poll/measure of thanks of a post in the match threads, or for votes to count should judgement be developed?

Thanks for any responses. I won't start the draft process or anything until this time in a fortnight, because my exams have got to take priority over anything else until then.

I'd be up for that, we need something to speed up the pickling this time!

IvySlayer

I always want to take part in one these but never understand them :P

redzerdrog

Thanks-based voting

I was just thinking of one of these

I'd prefer a historic euro's player over a row as messi is two good:D

Liam O

IvySlayer wrote: »

I always want to take part in one these but never understand them :P

You should go for it. All it is is people pick a player a round for 11 rounds and at the end they are put into a tournament type thing where people vote for the winners of each match. Great way to learn about players as well.

whatawaster

Maybe

Done the last two and would love to do it again.

LuckyLloyd

Thanks-based voting

I'd be in for this. First off I'd suggest two things regarding the judging process following selections:

1) Don't get bogged down debating what it should be before the off. The point of these things is to generate debate and selection about what the correct order of picks should be (i.e. the best value at each selection point). The end game isn't as important or fun;
2) Whatever is quickest and easiest is always best in my experience. I'd say allow everyone who completes an 11 to make one post summarising the reasonings behind their picks and expected tactical approach, then have everyone involved list their top 5 and the highest votes wins;

I'd also limit the thing to 16. Anymore than that is not realistic in terms of finishing it in a timely fashion. Also, from bitter experience, avoid picking subs / managers / etc. Starting 11!

In terms of eligibility I'd argue that people should not be limited to chosen squads but can instead select anyone to have made an appearance for their nation since the last World Cup. This could deepen the texture of the conversation as players get selected that haven't been chosen for the finals.

In anyway, barring some ludicrous format decisions that I won't abide.

Moneymaker

20 Participants

Interested.

Like Lloyds idea of including anyone who's made an appearance recently. 99% of drafts are about the players picked, not the ties.

redzerdrog

Thanks-based voting

the problem with that idea is it would take away from the the wildcard round of players that arnt at the championships for whatever reason

Pinturicchio

Thanks-based voting

I'd be up for this.

I went for ROW Wildcard, but I wouldn't have a problem with the historical players one.

eugeneious

Historical Euro player Wildcard

I'd be up for this. Went for 16 participants and ROW wildcard pick...

IncognitoMan

Developed answers only count toward the vote

Ill be up for this even if i am still a little unsure about what the game is

Trippie

Another option could be a blind auction type draft.

everyone picks 11 players who they want on their team, if you pick a player who no one else has picked you get him striaght away. Depending on many times a player is picked his starting value in the draft is higher. People have a set budget to spend on players and realitisically we have 4 draft days where you can bid for players, GK, Def etc etc

1mcampo1

Developed answers only count toward the vote

Chose 16 too. I think anymore would just kinda carry on...

Mikeyt086

Round Robin

Yes I'm interested.
16 players.
Straight knockout.

Didn't participate in the last one but thought it looked interesting.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

Thanks-based voting

Count me in for this. The PL one was great.

jive

Maybe

I'd be up for this but I've know idea how the phuck it works

bUILDERtHEbOB

Historical Euro player Wildcard

I'd be interested in this, more of a lurker obviously but I was part of a premier league one a while back, it's still a pretty cool concept type thing.

Bounty Hunter

Thanks-based voting

screwed up in the poll and took only one option but I was in the last one and would do this one again. 16 competitors and a vote based system is what id go for (would go for match ups but having experiences the last one think a vote would be more likely to actually crown a winner. ROTW wildcard for me with anyone who has ever played at the Euros available in non wildcard rds if I could pick too

cournioni

Maybe

No thanks, I prefer bottled.

Blatter

Maybe

Yup, I'd be interesred. I think the pick time limit should be 8-10 hours though to speed the process up.

Trippie

sign me up anywya

Junior D

Maybe

I'm in

Blatter

Maybe

Any word on this G.K?

G.K.

Historical Euro player Wildcard

I did say next wednesday in the OP, I am clogged down with my exams at the moment to get this underway.

Copper_pipe

Maybe

Can i join?

G.K.

Historical Euro player Wildcard

It'll be the first 16 to say so when I open it up, unless anyone comes up with a fairer method.

G.K.

Historical Euro player Wildcard

Right. Well, here we are. With your input I've decided to go with the following format.

16 participants.

Drafting XI's from players selected for the Euros. Maximum of 3 form a country and you can't pick 2 from the same country consecutively (Wildcard rounds don't count in this, so you couldn't pick a German in round 3 and 5)

These will be the wildcards: European players who don't make the finals (Injury, suspension, dropped or nation didn't qualify and internationally retired if and only if they never appeared in a Euros finals competition) and Historical Euro player (I.E. a player who played at a previous tournament but isn't still active internationally) They will be Round 9 and 4 respectively.

Players are judged on current ability, apart from 'Historical Euro player' which is judged on them at their prime.

Post-draft, we'll have straight knockout. Round of 16, quaters, semis and a final. 15 matches in total. Will be voted on by people who develop their views on who will win, even if is only a sentance. I'll put up a poll but it won't be the judge of who wins.

The first 16 to register an interest will participate, with the rest going on a backup register. Because there are only 16 spots I'll not take part myself (Though I will form a team with whatever's left after the draw finishes to show you lot what you missed - it won't compete though). The draft order will be done randomly, and the format for the matches afterward will be anounced before the draw for that is made.

So, fire away, sign up - and tell me if I've missed anything out.

Copper_pipe

Maybe

In

The Floyd p

Me

LuckyLloyd

Thanks-based voting

Yep

Blatter

Maybe

In

Moneymaker

20 Participants

Inski.

Jesus Wept

16 Participants

Andy Carroll

bUILDERtHEbOB

Historical Euro player Wildcard

In.

IncognitoMan

Developed answers only count toward the vote

In

Bounty Hunter

Thanks-based voting

In

G.K.

Historical Euro player Wildcard

Right, so far then:

1. Copper Pipe
2. The Floyd P
3. LuckyLloyd
4. Blatter
5. Moneymaker
6. Andy Carroll
7. bUILDERtHEbOB
8. IncognitoMan
9. Bounty Hunter
10. Vacant
11. Vacant
12. Vacant
13. Vacant
14. Vacant
15. Vacant
16. Vacant

7 spaces left.

Jax Teller

Thanks-based voting

Im in

Junior D

Maybe

In

redzerdrog

Thanks-based voting

in

but think it is rediculous that it the 1st 16 from that post someone that already expressed an interest from the start should be given a preference imo

whatawaster

Maybe

in

agree with Redzerdrog's comment

G.K.

Historical Euro player Wildcard

Practically everyone who's in did express that interest in the poll.

G.K.

Historical Euro player Wildcard

3 spots left.

redzerdrog

Thanks-based voting

what time frame are you giving for someone to pick before they get skipped 6hours? 8 hours? 12hours?

SirDelboy18

I'll have a go. In.

G.K.

Historical Euro player Wildcard

redzerdrog wrote: »

what time frame are you giving for someone to pick before they get skipped 6hours? 8 hours? 12hours?

24 - it'll go quicker this time due to fewer participants.

Blatter

Maybe

G.K. wrote: »

24 - it'll go quicker this time due to fewer participants.

I think it should be a fair bit less than 24 hours, I've seen it work well on other forums with 8-12 hours. Even with 16 participants it'll take ages if we go with 24 hours. I also see a couple of posters who aren't very active in the forum have entered this one, and that could make it painful unless the time limit is relatively short.

redzerdrog

Thanks-based voting

G.K. wrote: »

24 - it'll go quicker this time due to fewer participants.

should not be more than 12 imo

even go less but the hours from 01:00 - 07:00 dont count or something like that

I really think 24 would be a disaster

G.K.

Historical Euro player Wildcard

12 seems fair enough, though we have to take allowances for BH who's in China.