Euro 2012 Draft

SirDelboy18

Did not see Scholes going first in the Legends round.

Bounty Hunter

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nor did I, now I actually have to decide which of my top choices I want and not just pick the one left

Nuri Sahin

No thanks

SirDelboy18 wrote: »

I think all involved (well I certainly do) appreciate "Non-Drafters" offering opinions in this thread. Hope we get lots more input like this good post.

As someone who seems to have a great knowledge of football, and in particular European football, what are your opinions via best picks etc?

When I say best picks, I mean so far.

I'm not sure if I should say anything just yet, as it's too early to give a proper opinion. Really have to see some shape to the teams first.

In saying that, without giving much away and just having had a look at the teams so far.. there are a few people who have made two very good choices, but again IMO could have done better with their third pick. There are a couple who have made three very good picks so far though.

Kinda just been keeping half an eye on the draft truth be told since yesterday.

Copper_pipe

Maybe

SirDelboy18 wrote: »

Did not see Scholes going first in the Legends round.

Bounty Hunter wrote: »

nor did I, now I actually have to decide which of my top choices I want and not just pick the one left

Guys your killing me here :O

Bounty Hunter

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Copper_pipe wrote: »

Guys your killing me here :O

scholes is a bonifide legend in the game but I must admit that there are a few players I was sure would be fighting out for the top draft spot while Scholes would be a few places later

Trippie

Thats worse than the andy carroll pick. My god is all i can say

redzerdrog

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Worst pick by a long long long way tbh

Copper_pipe

Maybe

I couldnt think of anyone else

SirDelboy18

Wait until you see who you passed up, then it will really hit home.

Trippie

Copper_pipe wrote: »

I couldnt think of anyone else

pm sent

Copper_pipe

Maybe

SirDelboy18 wrote: »

Wait until you see who you passed up, then it will really hit home.

Gonna be new names to me i think

SirDelboy18

That's more like it.



Johan Cruyff and Andy Carroll linking up.

redzerdrog

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Boom means I get one of my top 2 picks!!! Hope BH picks one of them to take the decision away from me coz I cant seperate them

bUILDERtHEbOB

Historical Euro player Wildcard

I obviously was never going to get him, but at least I've been put out of my misery early.

Best player available.

Bounty Hunter

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Copper_pipe wrote: »

Gonna be new names to me i think

hope youve heard of my fellah, though I def respect you picking a player as you personally know his game better than other options.

whatawaster

Maybe

It's fairly laughable that someone said any team with Ronaldo in it was a dead cert to win.

Cruyff.

Trippie

whatawaster wrote: »

It's fairly laughable that someone said any team with Ronaldo in it was a dead cert to win.

Cruyff.

I had him tied 1st with another player who I expect to be picked next. Best attacking player in the draft for sure but overall im not so sure.

Also the ronaldo point is valid to a certain extent. The drop off in quality from ronaldo to the last pick is a lot more than the first pick to last in the classic round simply because of sheer amount of talent that there is.

IncognitoMan

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How will the historical players be judged. for example will it be the paul scholes form at his peak with united or will it be what he has done with his national team?

redzerdrog

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IncognitoMan wrote: »

How will the historical players be judged. for example will it be the paul scholes form at his peak with united or will it be what he has done with his national team?

I am under the impression it his peak ability and form at european championships, hence it being the european championship legends round

IncognitoMan

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'player A' would be rated fairly high because he was top scorer or best player at one of the euros even though he was fairly useless with his club sides? For example

redzerdrog

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IncognitoMan wrote: »

'player A' would be rated fairly high because he was top scorer or best player at one of the euros even though he was fairly useless with his club sides? For example

someone fairly useless at club level shouldnt really be one of the best 16 players to ever play in the tournament

IncognitoMan

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Not just for legends round. for it all

Adolf Hipster

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redzerdrog wrote: »

IncognitoMan wrote: »

'player A' would be rated fairly high because he was top scorer or best player at one of the euros even though he was fairly useless with his club sides? For example

someone fairly useless at club level shouldnt really be one of the best 16 players to ever play in the tournament

It happens though, podolski and klose come to mind, great players internationally but put in far too many average performances for their clubs imo.

redzerdrog

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for all it is rated on current ability

podolski scored 22 goals this season

SirDelboy18

The legends round is players at their peak I had presumed.

redzerdrog wrote: »

podolski scored 22 goals this season

Lets not make things up. He scored 18 goals for Koln this season.

redzerdrog

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SirDelboy18 wrote: »

The legends round is players at their peak I had presumed.




Lets not make things up. He scored 18 goals for Koln this season.

must have been thinking of someone else

18 league goals in 29 games is hardly rubbish club form though

SirDelboy18

redzerdrog wrote: »

must have been thinking of someone else

18 league goals in 29 games is hardly rubbish club form though

I personally never said it was. I think he is a very good player.

Adolf Hipster

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redzerdrog wrote: »

SirDelboy18 wrote: »

The legends round is players at their peak I had presumed.




Lets not make things up. He scored 18 goals for Koln this season.

must have been thinking of someone else

18 league goals in 29 games is hardly rubbish club form though

I didn't mean this year, but iirc he was banging the goals in for germany in 06 and had very poor club performances by his then international standards.

Liam O

Adolf Hipster wrote: »

I didn't mean this year, but iirc he was banging the goals in for germany in 06 and had very poor club performances by his then international standards.

Being in and out of a team doesn't really lend itself to consistency...

redzerdrog

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Adolf Hipster wrote: »

I didn't mean this year, but iirc he was banging the goals in for germany in 06 and had very poor club performances by his then international standards.

but he is getting judged on his current ability

Adolf Hipster

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Liam O wrote: »

Being in and out of a team doesn't really lend itself to consistency...

He played 75 games over the course of two seasons and scored 17 goals, whereas in the same period of time he scored 14 goals in 24 international appearances.

redzerdrog wrote: »

but he is getting judged on his current ability

I never said he wasn't, I was responding to this post.

redzerdrog wrote: »

someone fairly useless at club level shouldnt really be one of the best 16 players to ever play in the tournament

My point was that someone can be playing poorly at club level and still be performing very well internationally.

Trippie

Adolf Hipster wrote: »

My point was that someone can be playing poorly at club level and still be performing very well internationally.

A la Paul McShane

Moneymaker

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Delighted to get Beckenbeuer, was quite torn between him and a certain other player who will surely be snapped up pronto. But all things considered Der Kaiser was the better choice.

yomtea98

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As an onlooker it is good to watch.Some strange picks and som good players left.

Trippie

and there he is. my number 1 pick in the legends round. No one player has been as dominant in european football as beckenbauer imo. I had him 1, cryuff 2, AN Other 3, Platini 4, AN Other 5

Trippie

I would have my reservations about that pick being allowed tbh. Didnt play in 64 when they won it and spain werent in the 1960 tournament.

Benimar

Lads, I'm not in this so feel free to tell me to f*** off! I've been watching the picks with interest and am about to put a fly in the ointment I think.

Round 4 is for players who went to European Championship finals tournaments if I read it correct.

The latest player picked - Di Stefano - played in qualifying in 1958-60, but did not play in the finals tournament (at that stage the finals tournament was only the semis and final). I'm not sure he is eligible under the rules.

Not meaning to be awkward SirDelboy but if he isn't eligible its best to change your pick now rather than in a few days!

As I say, feel free to tell me to f*** off!

Moneymaker

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I'm wondering whether Di Stefano is allowed or not either.

Jax Teller

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rules says

They are retired from international duty and never went to a previous European Championships (e.g. Wes Brown)

SirDelboy18

Benimar wrote: »

Lads, I'm not in this so feel free to tell me to f*** off! I've been watching the picks with interest and am about to put a fly in the ointment I think.

Round 4 is for players who went to European Championship finals tournaments if I read it correct.

The latest player picked - Di Stefano - played in qualifying in 1958-60, but did not play in the finals tournament (at that stage the finals tournament was only the semis and final). I'm not sure he is eligible under the rules.

Not meaning to be awkward SirDelboy but if he isn't eligible its best to change your pick now rather than in a few days!

As I say, feel free to tell me to f*** off!

He played in the European Nations Cup in 1960 - something which I had asked about earlier. It wasn't only the semis and final.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

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Coletrickle88 wrote: »

rules says

They are retired from international duty and never went to a previous European Championships (e.g. Wes Brown)

That's round 9 is it not?

Jax Teller

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THFC wrote: »

That's round 9 is it not?

yup my mistake

"Round 4 will be Historical Euro Player, where you select a player who went to a previous European Championships, but is no longer active internationally, whether they have retired from playing (e.g. Marco Van Basten) or simply retired from international duty (e.g. Paul Scholes). "

there round 4 rules .

he should allowed

SirDelboy18

http://www.uefa.com/uefaeuro/season=1960/index.html

He is recognised as one of the top scorers.

Benimar

SirDelboy18 wrote: »

He played in the European Nations Cup in 1960 - something which I had asked about earlier. It wasn't only the semis and final.

From 1960-1976 only the semis and final were played in the host country. Its only from 1980 in Italy that the finals expanded to 8 teams in 2 groups of 4.

The 1960-76 finals tournaments are always taken to be semis and final only.

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/3284/euro-2012/2011/11/29/2776104/euro-2012-history-the-1960-finals

Trippie

SirDelboy18 wrote: »

He played in the European Nations Cup in 1960 - something which I had asked about earlier. It wasn't only the semis and final.

This was classed as the qualifying though.

from wikipedia, also on wikipedia it has di stefano international goals scored and the three in the competition have a q beside them indicating qualifiers to me.

The 1960 UEFA European Nations Cup was the first European Football Championship, held every four years and endorsed by UEFA. The final tournament was held in France. It was won by the Soviet Union, who beat Yugoslavia 2–1 in Paris after extra time.
The tournament was a knockout competition; just 17 teams entered with some notable absences, West Germany, Italy and England among them. The teams would play home-and-away matches until the semi-finals; the final four teams would move on to the final tournament, whose host was selected after the teams became known.
Spain, still under Francisco Franco's far-right dictatorship, refused to travel to the Soviet Union, the main supporter of the Second Spanish Republic in the Spanish Civil War, and withdrew from the tournament, so the final four had three communist countries: USSR, Czechoslovakia, and SFR Yugoslavia, to go with hosts France.

SirDelboy18

The UEFA website is not differentiating and that is good enough for me. They specifically put Eighth finals into the category "Knockout Phase".

http://www.uefa.com/uefaeuro/season=1960/matches/round=160/index.html

It is clearly the stage further on than qualifying.

SirDelboy18

Only a flurry of late applications took the number of entries over the required minimum of 16, and when the inaugural European Nations' Cup eventually got under way it did so without Italy, West Germany and England.

Built around a format of knockout home-and-away games until the semi-final stage, the competition finally became reality with the first match played at Moscow's Tsentralni Lenin Stadium on 29 September 1958.

More from UEFA - http://www.uefa.com/uefaeuro/history/background/henry-delaunay/index.html

I think this should be good enough, added to my last post.

Trippie

SirDelboy18 wrote: »

More from UEFA - http://www.uefa.com/uefaeuro/history/background/henry-delaunay/index.html

I think this should be good enough, added to my last post.

Started in 58 and finished in 60. clearly a 2 year period and qualifying

SirDelboy18

Trippie wrote: »

Started in 58 and finished in 80. clearly a 2 year period and qualifying

Without wanting to be b*tchy, I have given proof that it is not qualifying so please stop saying that it is.

Benimar

SirDelboy18 wrote: »

Without wanting to be b*tchy, I have given proof that it is not qualifying so please stop saying that it is.

Without meaning to be b*tchy, Trippie and myself have given proof that it was!

Based on your view, Irelands 1st Euros wasn't in 1988, but in 1964!! Using the UEFA website, like you did, (see below) Noel Cantwell scored 2 goals. We all know Ireland didn't qualify in 1964...don't we???

http://www.uefa.com/uefaeuro/season=1964/index.html