Man Utd denied the League Title because of bad refereeing decisions

Sgt Pepper 64

Light Blue Red touch paper ! :eek:

http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/premier-league/survey-suggests-manchester-united-would-have-title-won-already-if-not-for-refereeing-errors-3104948.html

Paul Tergat

Sgt Pepper 64 wrote: »

Light Blue Red touch paper ! :eek:

http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/premier-league/survey-suggests-manchester-united-would-have-title-won-already-if-not-for-refereeing-errors-3104948.html

Meh. Refs are just bad. We should have won our games to win the title. Simple as that

kitakyushu

They can still win the title (albeit unlikely at this point).

s_carnage

Not even going to bother reading the article but I can safely say that whatever is in it is not the reason we (might) lose the title.

stovelid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGcn15ODltA

tvercetti

In short it says, teams had an even enough amount of incorrect decisions go against them but City were a good enough team to go on and win the games whiles the likes of Utd and Spurs failed in that regard.

This United fan says stupid survey.

Sgt Pepper 64

tvercetti wrote: »

In short it says, teams had an even enough amount of incorrect decisions go against them but City were a good enough team to go on and win the games whiles the likes of Utd and Spurs failed in that regard.

This United fan says stupid survey.

yes as he correctly points out, it doesnt include the chelsea match and other games, but its interesting just the same, no?

LuckyLloyd

"But the league table doesn't lie".

"But it all evens itself out at the end of the season".

"That's football eh?"

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

this will be saved to my phone for the next time I'm in the pub, tyvm

moral champions 2011-2012

Moneymaker

Yeah because it was poor refereering decisions that the team threw away a 2 goal lead vs a side that scores few goals. It was the refs fault for the abject displays at St.James's Park, DW Stadium and the Etihad.

Bloody hell.

Liam O

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

this will be saved to my phone for the next time I'm in the pub, tyvm

moral champions 2011-2012

and which United fans are claiming to be moral champions?

super_furry

A further survey has conclusively proved that if my aunts had bollocks, she's be my uncle.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

Liam O wrote: »

and which United fans are claiming to be moral champions?

me when im in the pub with my ABU friends and looking for an argument

jaykay74

As a Utd fan I'm outraged. Outraged

Outraged Outraged

Ready to explode here.

Nah, not really. Carry on.

s_carnage

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

me when im in the pub with my ABU friends and looking for an argument

Please don't

adox

What a load of bollox.

Sir Gallagher

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

me when im in the pub with my ABU friends and looking for an argument

Yeah i'm sure that'll show them.

Most United fans will recognise this foir the bollox that it is.

Sgt Pepper 64

Another survey has found that in 18 of Utd's title years, bad refereeing decisions meant that Newcastle, Arsenal and Liverpool should have won the league and in one case, Utd relegated!

Rekop dog

I don't understand why fans get so touchy at even the mention of this subject, raised this point in the Serie A thread the other day and it was angrily dissmissed by most.

Of course there are numerous factors that determine the outcome of season but refereeing decisions is quite a big one, and on the whole football is officiated quite poorly compared to most sports, and it's wrong to dismiss that an uneven amount of decisions can't have an effect on the destination of the title especially in a tight finish(not saying that it has or hasn't this year). The worse the officiating the bigger the margin of error that should be attached to these things.

That_Guy

Nah. Man United are (possibly) denied the league title because of the inability to take their chances and win their matches.

tvercetti

Sgt Pepper 64 wrote: »

yes as he correctly points out, it doesnt include the chelsea match and other games, but its interesting just the same, no?

I don't think it proves anything we don't already know, there are incorrect decisions, they even themself out over the course of a season, the best team doesn't rely on these decisions going there way, they get the job done.

It was unfair to call it stupid though, the reason I called it stupid is because I know I will encounter a Utd fan and he will start telling me how these incorrect decisions cost Utd the league, while any Utd fan who knows there ar$e from there elbow knows the reason Utd didn't win the league is not down to incorrect decisions.

Turtyturd

Sgt Pepper 64 wrote: »

Another survey has found that in 18 of Utd's title years, bad refereeing decisions meant that Newcastle, Arsenal and Liverpool should have won the league and in one case, Utd relegated!

That would have been funnier if it didn't take over an hour to think of it.:pac:

Rekop dog

Also the phrase "it evens itself out over the season" has to be up there with the most retarded football cliché's there are. To suggest over a 38 games season that two teams will get the *exact* amount of decisions for/against them is insane, sure it will happen the odd time but faaar more often than not it isn't equal. In a season where both teams finish level it threoretically only needs to be 1 wrong decision descrepancy over the season to tip the destination of the title one way.

kitakyushu

Rekop dog wrote: »

Also the phrase "it evens itself out over the season" has to be up there with the most retarded football cliché's there are.

At that level there's no easy games, but even if you feel sick as a parrot after a bad decision it's important to remember that it's a game of two halves.

Will I Amnt

This is absolutely staggering beyond belief.
City should hand over that trophy next week.
If they have any moral fibres in their bodies they will throw the game against QPR and allow the title go to its rightful owners.
Absolutely disgusted here,can't believe it.
I mean that's the table the FA should award the trophy by,not some mickey mouse table that flashes up on Sky Sports every 5 minutes.

#Justice for Man Utd.
#Pay rise for Howard Webb.

Orando Broom

cambo2008 wrote: »

This is absolutely staggering beyond belief.
City should hand over that trophy next week.
If they have any moral fibres in their bodies they will throw the game against QPR and allow the title go to its rightful owners.
Absolutely disgusted here,can't believe it.
I mean that's the table the FA should award the trophy by,not some mickey mouse table that flashes up on Sky Sports every 5 minutes.

#Justice for Man Utd.
#Pay rise for Howard Webb.

The title is tainted and a sham, unless United win it.

I also think that the Champions League has been devalued since after Christmas.

kitakyushu

Orando Broom wrote: »

The title is tainted and a sham, unless United win it.

I also think that the Champions League has been devalued since after Christmas.

... and the Europa league since March too.

LuckyLloyd

Rekop dog wrote: »

I don't understand why fans get so touchy at even the mention of this subject, raised this point in the Serie A thread the other day and it was angrily dissmissed by most.

Of course there are numerous factors that determine the outcome of season but refereeing decisions is quite a big one, and on the whole football is officiated quite poorly compared to most sports, and it's wrong to dismiss that an uneven amount of decisions can't have an effect on the destination of the title especially in a tight finish(not saying that it has or hasn't this year). The worse the officiating the bigger the margin of error that should be attached to these things.

Rekop dog wrote: »

Also the phrase "it evens itself out over the season" has to be up there with the most retarded football cliché's there are. To suggest over a 38 games season that two teams will get the *exact* amount of decisions for/against them is insane, sure it will happen the odd time but faaar more often than not it isn't equal. In a season where both teams finish level it threoretically only needs to be 1 wrong decision descrepancy over the season to tip the destination of the title one way.

Spot on, but the majority will always vehemently argue against this peddling the rather bizarre notion that the worst officiating and administration in top level sport is part of the game's "charm", and that it would be 'less interesting' without it, or improvements would somehow invalidate the low level or amateur version.

J. Marston

I hope City can sleep easy at night because this is possibly the greatest injustice in the history of football.

Actually, not just football. The greatest injustice ever!

Sir Gallagher

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Spot on, but the majority will always vehemently argue against this peddling the rather bizarre notion that the worst officiating and administration in top level sport is part of the game's "charm", and that it would be 'less interesting' without it, or improvements would somehow invalidate the low level or amateur version.

Don't forget that it will "take away from the big talking points and post match debate" i think we could all honestly do without pointless arguements on whether a ball went over a line or not.

LuckyLloyd

Ultimately, the inability of football fans to engage with this stuff is because of how difficult it is to process the profound affect of luck on achievement in all aspects of life. Humans like certainty, and it is definitely better for one's mental health and well being to just focus and accept what is, what actually took place from all the potential outcomes that could have taken place. Things become easier to deal with if you tie everything back to one's own inputs and efforts.

Transport that to a football context, and the reality that bad officiating has had a significant affect on the league table over a limited sample of 38 games only serves to spoil the winner's fun, and the simple conclusions that can be drawn from a defined result. So the majority refuse to recognise the impact.

I mean it has been a constant theme running through the punditry and analysis from everywhere this season. This is a "bad" Utd team, the worst in ages, and serious additions are required if they are to keep up with City. When City win, we'll all be ready to annoint their coming reign of terror. The difference in perception is so vast relative to the gap offered by the few goals that will ultimately decide the destination of the league.

carlcon

This was a very well-made and hard worked study, which does have some merit.

However, everyone's looking at the wrong part. What we can learn from this is that it's actually smaller clubs (excluding Wigan) who benefit most from bad decisions, which goes against the whole "big teams get all the decisions" myth.

Not sure if it's mentioned in the OP's article, but the guy who made it was on BBC Radio 5 in the last hour, and he mentioned the %'s of a lot of teams, and made this very point.

That's the interesting part for me.

niallo27

Is there a breakdown of the matchs where utd were denied pts in, they seemed to get a good few in their favour towards the end of the season.

Liam O

niallo27 wrote: »

Is there a breakdown of the matchs where utd were denied pts in, they seemed to get a good few in their favour towards the end of the season.

That was probably because you ignored the bad decisions in the other team's favour and jumped on the ones that went United's way.

niallo27

Liam O wrote: »

That was probably because you ignored the bad decisions in the other team's favour and jumped on the ones that went United's way.

Well the thread title said utd would have won the league only for bad refereeing so I though that was what we were talking about.

kryogen

A Chelsea fan started this thread but I bet plenty will be telling United fans to stop crying etc

Not gonna bother reading the article, refs make mistakes, it happens. United didnt lose this title because of Referee decisions.

The_Kew_Tour

kryogen wrote: »

A Chelsea fan started this thread but I bet plenty will be telling United fans to stop crying etc

Not gonna bother reading the article, refs make mistakes, it happens. United didnt lose this title because of Referee decisions.

Best team wins the league and this season it will be City.

Thought Arsenal might be lower though as they have got quite few nice decisions go there way.

Spread

Probably the greatest load of old bollox since the long discredited Widgery Tribuna lReport!

Jesus Wept

I don't the survey adjusts for or can adjust for at what point in a match a critical mistake is made and the real impact that may have had.

It's too simplistic to say that if a team gets an incorrect penalty decision 40 minutes into a game at 0-0 which they score and then push on to win 2-0 or 3-0-that they 'would have' won 1-0 or 2-0 regardless of the incorrect decision.


Edit: Mad to think the gap between Liverpool and Newcastle according to them this season is 3 points instead of 13 points.

Professional Griefer

Andy Carroll wrote: »

I don't the survey adjusts for or can adjust for at what point in a match a critical mistake is made and the real impact that may have had.

It's too simplistic to say that if a team gets an incorrect penalty decision 40 minutes into a game at 0-0 which they score and then push on to win 2-0 or 3-0-that they 'would have' won 1-0 or 2-0 regardless of the incorrect decision.


Edit: Mad to think the gap between Liverpool and Newcastle according to them this season is 3 points instead of 13 points.

This is something that has always bothered me. Why can't people understand that a game would have played out differently?

KaiserGunner

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Best team wins the league and this season it will be City.

Thought Arsenal might be lower though as they have got quite few nice decisions go there way.

Go on name all these decisions that have gone Arsenals way this season? And before you mention last week against Norwich the referee was terrible for both sides and denied Arsenal clear penalties as well. I look forward to seeing all these decisions that Arsenal have gotten :rolleyes: