(UK) Man loses 5 of his kids in a fire

Smidge

MarkyMark22 wrote: »

He planned to rescue them from the fire so he'd look like a hero and the former partner would be a villain.

He started the fire with petrol which causes thick black smoke.

He thought all the kids where in the upstairs backroom so he left a ladder at the back window before starting the fire.

Turns out they weren't all in that room.

When they were dragged from the house and lying in the front garden he didn't even bother staying to see if they were ok.

He walked across to his neighbours house across the road.

I, like everyone else at the time I suppose, read about the story but I hadnt really kept up on it.

I thought the whole thing was tragic before what you have told me.
Now I'm just at a loss

mathepac

Whatever about the bizarre lifestyle, Mick Phipott has a history of violence having been convicted of stabbing a former partner, another woman much younger than himself, who tried to leave him.

Mairead made at least two accusations of rape against men other than her husband and according to one sister was having sex for money when one man's wife found them. The sex for money turned into rape accusations upon discovery.

Mick and his wife consoled themselves by going on shopping trips while their 6 children lay dead in the morgue, complained that the hospital hadn't provided food for them and generally did everything they could to act inappropriately and draw attention to themselves in the time after they killed their children.

The three convicted of the six killings had apparently engaged in dogging around Derby.

Life times 6 each to run consecutively?

wmpdd3

Nasty piece of work, hope his porridge is served without mercy.

MarkyMark22

Same. Until the documentary went into alot of detail.

He previously appeared on Jeremy Kyle and a reality ITV show called the biggest scrounger, I think it was called.

On those shows he appeared to be a violent, violent man. Threatening both Jeremy Kyle and Anne Witheckham (?) .

MarkyMark22

mathepac wrote: »

Whatever about the bizarre lifestyle, Mick Phipott has a history of violence having been convicted of stabbing a former partner, another woman much younger than himself, who tried to leave him.

Mairead made at least two accusations of rape against men other than her husband and according to one sister was having sex for money when one man's wife found them. The sex for money turned into rape accusations upon discovery.

Mick and his wife consoled themselves by going on shopping trips while their 6 children lay dead in the morgue, complained that the hospital hadn't provided food for them and generally did everything they could to act inappropriately and draw attention to themselves in the time after they killed their children.

The three convicted of the six killings had apparently engaged in dogging around Derby.

Life times 6 each to run consecutively?

Not sure, they were charged with manslaughter and not murder. So I don't know how sentencing will pan out.

Queen-Mise

I really wish I hadn't opened this thread. When you have kids, these threads wouldn't do you any good. This is my first time hearing about this. Where the fcuk was I last year.


What an insane bastard. To set fire to a house over a custody hearing & to risk your children's lives. I hope he stays in jail long enough that he dies in there.

RIP to the kids.

darced

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tvnutz

Watched the doc on UTV,the guy is absolute scum and those poor kids paid for it. He was scum since he was young, stabbed an ex-girlfriend and her mother when he was 20.

The comments some of the neighbours made, he grabbed some birds ass and said to a neighbour, that's what I like, an hour after his kids died. The 13 year old was not killed right away and was in hospital but they wouldn't go with him to the hospital. Scum of the highest order and I hope he rots.

Temaz

darced wrote: »

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One of the media reports said he miscalculated the amount of fuel he used and the heat generated was simply to hot to even get near the children.

Death and Taxes

Though usually implaccably oppossed to the death penalty even I have to admit that all three should be hanged.

Lollipops23

Temaz wrote: »

One of the media reports said he miscalculated the amount of fuel he used and the heat generated was simply to hot to even get near the children.

Because he was a fool who thought he was smarter than everyone else.

God what a scumbag. I don't judge his lifestyle, different strokes and all, but their home was clearly not suitable for raising children in. He and the wife seemed to be almost feral.

Hope they get the longest sentence possible (life) and the other prisoners make their lives HELL.

Grandpa Hassan

MarkyMark22 wrote: »

Not sure, they were charged with manslaughter and not murder. So I don't know how sentencing will pan out.

In England and Wales there is no maximum sentence for manslaughter, and a life sentence is at the discretion of the judge. Not much doubt according to pundits on radio 5 this morning that Philpott will get life.

token101

Queen-Mise wrote: »

What an insane bastard. To set fire to a house over a custody hearing & to risk your children's lives. I hope he stays in jail long enough that he dies in there.

I doubt he'll get more than 10 years, and I'd guess 6-7 to be honest.

seamus

He'd be better off getting 20 years for his own safety tbh.

Duggy747

Complete and utter idiot scumbag.

Death and Taxes

token101 wrote: »

I doubt he'll get more than 10 years, and I'd guess 6-7 to be honest.

I reckon life with at the very least 20 years before he is considerd for parole.

MarkyMark22

I think he'll get the maximum sentence possible.

He's in his 50's I think. I doubt he'll be free again.

Maximum possible sentence x 6 for each life he took.

seamus

MarkyMark22 wrote: »

Maximum possible sentence x 6 for each life he took.

Sentencing doesn't really work that way. There were 6 deaths, but the crimes all occurred at the same time so the sentences all run concurrently. For sentencing purposes it's basically treated as a single incident.

While on paper the sentence may be 10 years on each count of manslaughter, all of the sentences will run concurrently and he only spends 10 years in prison.

The seriously negligent and callous nature of the crime, coupled with his actions afterwards and his refusal to plead guilty will play against him and I've no doubt he'll get the maximum sentence on each count.

Boombastic

All surplus money donated for the funeral was requested to be given in Argos Vouchers

SEPT 23 1989

Boombastic wrote: »

All surplus money donated for the funeral was requested to be given in Argos Vouchers

That's a joke right?

Boombastic

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

That's a joke right?

No :mad:


I read it in an article about the last night, I'll see can I find it now....


This is such a horrific case in so many ways

SEPT 23 1989

Boombastic wrote: »

No :mad:


I read it in an article about the last night, I'll see can I find it now....


This is such a horrific case in so many ways

mind blowing stuff:(

MarkyMark22

seamus wrote: »

Sentencing doesn't really work that way. There were 6 deaths, but the crimes all occurred at the same time so the sentences all run concurrently. For sentencing purposes it's basically treated as a single incident.

While on paper the sentence may be 10 years on each count of manslaughter, all of the sentences will run concurrently and he only spends 10 years in prison.

The seriously negligent and callous nature of the crime, coupled with his actions afterwards and his refusal to plead guilty will play against him and I've no doubt he'll get the maximum sentence on each count.

Thanks for clearing that up!

MarkyMark22

He didnt give two ***** about his kids. All he cared about was his benefits. To the point of obsession.

He was getting £60'000 a year in benefits.

There was one scene in the documentary on ITV that showed a bunk bed out in the back garden being covered by a marquee.

omahaid

seamus wrote: »

Sentencing doesn't really work that way. There were 6 deaths, but the crimes all occurred at the same time so the sentences all run concurrently. For sentencing purposes it's basically treated as a single incident.

I can't get my head around this. If I come home and catch my spouse riding someone else and I kill my spouse do I get to kill the other person for free?

dregin

Boombastic wrote: »

No :mad:


I read it in an article about the last night, I'll see can I find it now....


This is such a horrific case in so many ways

What in the utter ****...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9967260/Derby-fire-Mick-Philpott-saw-childrens-funeral-donations-as-way-to-get-rich-quick.html

GLaDOS

Some people are just evil

dark crystal

dregin wrote: »

What in the utter ****...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9967260/Derby-fire-Mick-Philpott-saw-childrens-funeral-donations-as-way-to-get-rich-quick.html

Just when you thought the callous bastard couldn't get any worse...I just can't believes the depths to which some human beings can sink :mad:

Boombastic

dregin wrote: »

What in the utter ****...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9967260/Derby-fire-Mick-Philpott-saw-childrens-funeral-donations-as-way-to-get-rich-quick.html

That's the one, Thanks!

Also

The couple were keen to ‘get rich quick’ off the back of the children’s deaths, receiving at least £3,100 directly in cash gifts which they used to buy new sportswear and to get drunk at parties................

The pattern of extraordinary behaviour also saw Philpott:
■ Fake a collapse and joke around in a hospital mortuary
■ Sing the 1975 Elvis Presley songs Suspicious Minds and My Boy on a pub karaoke machine and proposition a female police officer during a ‘jovial’ visit to a hospital when he called his children ‘little sh***’
■ Appear at a barbecue where his drunken wife showed off a new pair of £80 pink trainers.
■ Become ‘fixated’ with creaming off the remainder of a fund to cover the children’s funeral costs and convert it into Argos vouchers.
■ Tell fundraisers to collect and sell teddy bears which had been left outside the burned family home, ordering one wellwisher: ‘Shut up and just get on with it.’
■ Play the entire second half of a charity football match staged to raise funds for the family.

Grand Moff Tarkin

Boombastic wrote: »

All surplus money donated for the funeral was requested to be given in Argos Vouchers

He wanted to sell all the toys that parents had left in memory of the young ones.

SEPT 23 1989

Boombastic wrote: »

■ Tell fundraisers to collect and sell teddy bears which had been left outside the burned family home,.

ffs:mad:

tipptopper

Absolutely horrific stuff, watched the documentary about it last night, what scumbags they are, poor kids didn’t deserve to go like that, I really hope they both get what’s coming to them.
On a side note, why does the thread title say 5 kids?

MarkyMark22

tipptopper wrote: »

Absolutely horrific stuff, watched the documentary about it last night, what scumbags they are, poor kids didn’t deserve to go like that, I really hope they both get what’s coming to them.
On a side note, why does the thread title say 5 kids?

Just a guess, I reckon it was started before the sixth child died in hospital.

Boombastic

tipptopper wrote: »

Absolutely horrific stuff, watched the documentary about it last night, what scumbags they are, poor kids didn’t deserve to go like that, I really hope they both get what’s coming to them.
On a side note, why does the thread title say 5 kids?

You're right, those poor children didn't deserve to live or die like than. He extended the downstairs of the house and put a snooker table in, while the children all slept in the rooms cramped upstairs. :(

MarkyMark22

Boombastic wrote: »

You're right, those poor children didn't deserve to live or die like than. He extended the downstairs of the house and put a snooker table in, while the children all slept in the rooms cramped upstairs. :(

The man was clearly deluded and psychotic. Blaming the government on him having so many children in a highly aggressive manner.

At one stage Anne Withickham called him a coward, he responded by challenging her to go outside with him for a fight.

SEPT 23 1989

tipptopper wrote: »

Absolutely horrific stuff, watched the documentary about it last night, what scumbags they are, poor kids didn’t deserve to go like that, I really hope they both get what’s coming to them.
On a side note, why does the thread title say 5 kids?

Title needs to be changed

Psychopath murders 6 of his children

Grand Moff Tarkin

He won't have an easy time of it inside the big house.

fryup

are there mick philpott types in this country?????

MidlandsM

I watched the BBC documentary last night on it, shocking stuff.......

I was bemused at how Philpot and his wife said in secret recording how the couldn't figure out how the fire caught hold so quick and spread..........fcuking thicks.........Petrol (an accellerant), on a man made carpet, at the base of a upvc front door, at the base of a stairwell.........ignorant vermin scum.....

I hope they never get out...........ever .........

seamus

omahaid wrote: »

I can't get my head around this. If I come home and catch my spouse riding someone else and I kill my spouse do I get to kill the other person for free?

Effectively, yeah.
Of course the number of killings does make a difference. If you just killed her and then let him go, that would probably help your defence and you may get a lighter sentence. Whereas brutally killing them both will probably lead to a maximum penalty.

Boombastic

fryup wrote: »

are there mick philpott types in this country?????

His mother was Irish and his wife was an Irish Traveller.................


Regardless of where they can from, there are unbalanced physco's in every society and while I don't doubt that there are people who feed off the welfare state, I hope that there are none that go to this extreme. It takes a certain type of person to carry out a crime like this.

Lollipops23

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Title needs to be changed

Psychopath murders 6 of his children

Exactly what I was thinking. He sounds like a sociopath- he cannot see what he has done wrong at all and has no clue of how an adult in his situation is supposed to act. If he had been a psychopath I imagine he would have known full well how his crazy inappropriate behaviour would have looked to the outside world. He would have hidden it better, as he wanted to get away with the crime.

Either way he's murdering scum, I hope the inmates wherever he ends up teach him a lesson.

Grandpa Hassan

seamus wrote: »

Sentencing doesn't really work that way. There were 6 deaths, but the crimes all occurred at the same time so the sentences all run concurrently. For sentencing purposes it's basically treated as a single incident.

While on paper the sentence may be 10 years on each count of manslaughter, all of the sentences will run concurrently and he only spends 10 years in prison.

The seriously negligent and callous nature of the crime, coupled with his actions afterwards and his refusal to plead guilty will play against him and I've no doubt he'll get the maximum sentence on each count.

Maximum sentence for manslaughter is life in England. Given he is fifty-something, a sentence of > 20 years will be effectively the same thing. I would suggest that he's not the healthiest of fellas and good chance that he'll die in prison

It is going to be a brave judge that only gives him 10 years when they have complete sentencing discretion

Rioghain

The poor children. Imagine doing that to your own children and not even show a shred of remorse. I hope they all get the maximum sentences that can be handed down, because they most certainly deserve it.

Thrill

I heard on sky that his previous convictions will be held against him.

Thrill

Judge says sentencing will not be before 3pm

--Kaiser--

I've only heard about this today, I've read a few articles online but they are all written terribly. Can someone give me a brief synopsis? Why would his mistress get custody of someone else's children? And who is Paul Mosley?

Needless to say, hanging is too good for these vermin, scum of the highest order

seamus

--Kaiser-- wrote: »

I've only heard about this today, I've read a few articles online but they are all written terribly. Can someone give me a brief synopsis? Why would his mistress get custody of someone else's children? And who is Paul Mosley?

Needless to say, hanging is too good for these vermin, scum of the highest order

Philpott. Has 17 kids by five different women. Has spent the last 3 years being adored by the red tops because he's the poster boy for the welfare scroungers.

Been demanding bigger council houses for years for his big "family".

Was living with his wife + her kids, and his mistress + her kids. Some of the kids were his, some of them not. Mistress moved out and took her kids with her. Philpott was angry that this damaged his ability to get a bigger house, so tried to burn down his house and frame the mistress, thereby taking back his kids and getting a new bigger house at the same time.

He fncked up, unintentionally killed the children in the house and tried to cover it up as an attack.

Mosley is an accomplice who was screwing Philpott's wife and is probably the person who set the fire.

MidlandsM

Mosley is/was a neighbour who was involved with them in a durty nasty sex circle they had going. They got him involved to stage the fire, and Philpott kept him on side by allowing him to shag his wife....and the wife was only too happy to oblige........


pure scum

Grayson

I know generally I'll go on about how people need to be rehabilitated, but not in this case. In those cases I generally believe the people were a product of a bad upbringing or an illness, but that something could be done for them.

In this case, lock the fcuker up for the rest of his life. He was just a greedy bastard who didn't give a fcuk about his own children.