(UK) Man loses 5 of his kids in a fire

smurgen

HondaSami wrote: »

I started to read about this monster in yesterday's paper and decided no after reading he planned to rape his wife on his children's grave, how sick is that man, he did not care for his children and he deserves no sympathy or mercy imo.

read that too,worst ever like!I'm gonna have to stop reading newspapers because all this sort of sh1t is doing nothing for my blood pressure or mental health.

old hippy

smurgen wrote: »

read that too,worst ever like!I'm gonna have to stop reading newspapers because all this sort of sh1t is doing nothing for my blood pressure or mental health.

Don't believe all you read in the papers. Or on boards, for that matter.

Airitech

old hippy wrote: »

When you've finished flexing your muscles, perhaps you could give us your opinions on George Osborne, seeing as how he's being petty, capitalising on the murders to have a go at people on benefits?

That's what I mean, I must be "flexing my muscles" if I don't agree with emasculating men. You really don't seem to understand how someone can be comfortable with masculinity. Seriously if you want to debate this more use PM.

On George Osbourne, he is a political opportunist. He has reforms he has to make and there is now the appetite among a large part of the electorate for swift harsh cuts. Mick Phillpott is a strawman he is using and his crimes make it seem wrong to oppose it.

Osbourne will try to capitalise on the momentum generated by people's anger to achieve big savings in a short time. It's all misrepresentation though and the tabloids are his best ally in it. The Daily Mail are leading the way in this, explicitly saying that the welfare state created a finiancial incentive for Phillpott to do what he did.

Osbourne wants to use a broadsword instead of a scalpel, sweeping cuts affecting everyone on benefits instead of precise targeting of anomalies like Phillpott.

The anger will die down soon and when people realise that Osbourne intends to impact deserving welfare recipients he won't get away with it. The momentum he is riding is not going to last long enough for him to push through the reforms he wants.

Grand Moff Tarkin

old hippy wrote: »

Well, that makes it all clear now :rolleyes:

Yes, I really am a piece of work for not being into revenge fantasies.

You are the only one who brings up the term "revenge fantasies" which is very strange if i am to be honest and you should really seek help about such an issue.

old hippy

Grand Moff Tarkin wrote: »

You are the only one who brings up the term "revenge fantasies" which is very strange if i am to be honest and you should really seek help about such an issue.

I refer you to your denials on having a bloodlust:

"i would not think twice about doing it as it would rid the earth of scum who put the lives of children ahead of a desire for cold hard cash. In fact i would do in for NOTHING. ."

Help me, Obi Wan Kenobi, you're my only hope :rolleyes:

Grand Moff Tarkin

old hippy wrote: »

I refer you to your denials on having a bloodlust:

"i would not think twice about doing it as it would rid the earth of scum who put the lives of children ahead of a desire for cold hard cash. In fact i would do in for NOTHING. ."

Help me, Obi Wan Kenobi, you're my only hope :rolleyes:

In context with the last few posts before that you asked would anyone on here be willing to act as executor to the three who committed the crime.
Offering to do a dirty job hardly means i lie in bed at night planning to do away with the scum in jail.

You really are clutching at straws now and have been shown up big time in this thread and a lot more poster now see you for what you are so my work here is well and truly done.

old hippy

Grand Moff Tarkin wrote: »

In context with the last few posts before that you asked would anyone on here be willing to act as executor to the three who committed the crime.
Offering to do a dirty job hardly means i lie in bed at night planning to do away with the scum in jail.

You really are clutching at straws now and have been shown up big time in this thread and a lot more poster now see you for what you are so my work here is well and truly done.

Yes, you've shown how you don't have a bloodlust but you'd rid the world of them for the sake of
a) justice
b) money
c) for free
d) the hell of it
e) because I'm worth it

Well done, you. Showing me up and all

watch this , its just so sad , so tragic

Grand Moff Tarkin

old hippy wrote: »

Yes, you've shown how you don't have a bloodlust but you'd rid the world of them for the sake of
a) justice
b) money
c) for free
d) the hell of it
e) because I'm worth it

Well done, you. Showing me up and all

Five different points scrapped together from all my posts in the thread. Well done you.

allibastor

Can't post replys on mobile for some reason. In response to old hippy hippy shake.

The jury returned a guilty verdict on the philpotts and had very solid evidence to show how the fire was started, etc. they have recorded conversations of them saying to stick to the story and showing no regard for the children. The joy of modern forensics is that it forms a fact base case which is hard to place blame elsewhere. As said before, you have not said once why we are better off with them alive, you just attacked my point if view

wordsmithi

The real man debate whatever it means does show one thing i.e. Mick Philpott isn't one.

How can an unemployed/unemployable middle aged man who hasn't the ability to wash himself for three months, whose biggest idea was to burn his home when his kids are asleep upstairs,he has an attempted murder conviction etc be anything other than a total disaster case.

Airitech

wordsmithi wrote: »

The real man debate whatever it means does show one thing i.e. Mick Philpott isn't one.

How can an unemployed/unemployable middle aged man who hasn't the ability to wash himself for three months, whose biggest idea was to burn his home when his kids are asleep upstairs,he has an attempted murder conviction etc be anything other than a total disaster case.

+1 that was the point when that debate started. It shouldn't ever be acceptable in any part of society for a man (or woman) to lead that kind of lifestyle.

sid waddell

It seems Mick Philpott was a Tory voter.

Will we now see the Daily Mail running a front page splash blaming the Tories for his arson?

Do you think the Tories' culture of personal greed and picking on the weak and vulnerable led Philpott to do what he did?

It certainly seems a lot more logical to me than a pathetic, bogus, lying campaign of demonisation by a right-wing rag against people on benefits, most of whom are probably harder working than the cossetted, protected, bloated, fat cat, Tory-voting elite.

goat2

was it said on the news that mick pilpotts two partners were not allowed the keys to the home, and that he had all the state benefits that were doled out the family put into his own account only,
he must have ruled that home with an oiron fist,
i also wonder did he, charge for the services he was allowing his wife to give other males, or was she doing it under threat from him,

he was one piece of ****e, living off the hard working people of his country

LordSutch

Osborne is dead right.

Madam_X

LordSutch wrote: »

Osborne is dead right.

Not to use this tragedy/atrocity as a political football, no.

And someone who thinks he is needs to take a long hard look at themselves.

LordSutch

Madam_X wrote: »

Not to use this tragedy/atrocity as a political football, no.

And someone who thinks he is needs to take a long hard look at themselves.

I mean people like Philpotts milking the system for all its worth, surely that is wrong! and on that point I think Osborne is totally correct.

Sky Sports package, two washing machines, multiple holidays, all the best & most expensive toys for the kids, etc etc

Don't know what you mean by the 2nd point?

LordSutch

LordSutch wrote: »

I mean people like Philpotts milking the system for all its worth, surely that is wrong! and on that point I think Osborne is totally correct.

Sky Sports package, two washing machines, multiple holidays, all the best & most expensive toys for the kids, etc etc

Don't know what you mean by the 2nd point?

It's incredibly tacky and inappropriate to use the deaths of 6 innocent children to back up your political point. Yes, the Philpotts abused the benefits system. What has that got to do with the price of fish, really? Osborne just conveniently used this whole mess to further his own agenda, which is to make the British public ostracise anyone on benefits.

Paramite Pie

Grand Moff Tarkin wrote: »

I think you would find no shortage of people who would be willing to apply for such a role. Just because you lack the stomach for handing out justice do not think that there are people who would be willing to fill the role.

Maybe you should move to Saudi Arabia. They do the whole eye for an eye thing over there. You might get a 'nice' job dealing justice.

Have you read the thread about the Saudi man sentenced to paralysis? It's very easy to think people should deserve those kinds of sentences until someone actually gets that type of punishment.

That being said, I'd have no sympathy for this man if he were killed. I just don't necessarily think the death penalty is ever a good idea.

LordSutch

Kali Easy Piece wrote: »

It's incredibly tacky and inappropriate to use the deaths of 6 innocent children to back up your political point.

I concede and agree that if you (and Madam_x) look at it like that, well then Osborne was out of order!

I do however think that the whole benefit system needs to be looked at in the UK (re the very OTT Philpott benefit lifestyle), which was milking
the system for all its worth, but yes, on reflection the Chancellor might have chosen another time to bring this to political hot potato to the fore.

Grand Moff Tarkin

Paramite Pie wrote: »

Maybe you should move to Saudi Arabia. They do the whole eye for an eye thing over there. You might get a 'nice' job dealing justice.

Have you read the thread about the Saudi man sentenced to paralysis? It's very easy to think people should deserve those kinds of sentences until someone actually gets that type of punishment.

That being said, I'd have no sympathy for this man if he were killed. I just don't necessarily think the death penalty is ever a good idea.

I will have to have a proper look at that thread. Saudi Arabia would not be top of my holiday list as it is too much of a religious country for my taste. And despite what the old hippy(because he is spineless he thinks anyone who shows some courage is blood thirsty)is trying to post about me i am far from a blood thirsty person but i do believe in tough justice and in some cases an eye for an eye.

Sir Oxman

LordSutch wrote: »

I concede and agree that if you (and Madam_x) look at it like that, well then Osborne was out of order!

I do however think that the whole benefit system needs to be looked at in the UK (re the very OTT Philpott benefit lifestyle), which was milking
the system for all its worth, but yes, on reflection the Chancellor might have chosen another time to bring this to political hot potato to the fore.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/apr/06/welfare-britain-facts-myths

It's like a carbon copy of what's going on here - misinformation & redirection leading to a general consensus that 'the unemployed' or 'doleheads' are at fault for the crisis...and now in the UK, they are also a child murdering, rapey cohort who get 100k a year and must be stopped!
You couldn't make it up, or could you?

Osborne ought to be ashamed, but he has no shame.
Their enablers, the LibDems are even more disgusting going along with this shyte.

wordsmithi

goat2 wrote: »

was it said on the news that mick pilpotts two partners were not allowed the keys to the home, and that he had all the state benefits that were doled out the family put into his own account only,
he must have ruled that home with an oiron fist,
i also wonder did he, charge for the services he was allowing his wife to give other males, or was she doing it under threat from him,

he was one piece of ****e, living off the hard working people of his country

I have read a little bit about this case. Mick Philpott served three years of a seven year sentence for attempted murder. The victim was his first wife and he viciously stabbed her thirteen times with a knife. He damaged her internal organs and she is still on medication today due to the horrific injuries she sustained from his attack. He also attacked her mother when the poor woman was trying to save her daughter from him. This attack was thirty five years ago (1978). His current wife Mairead Philpott and his former "mistress" worked outside the home, brought home a wage and he demanded that the money be put in HIS bank account. The mistress had no key to the family home. In addition to all of this, he refused to work and expected to have a bigger house provided by the state to accommodate his huge family. The women he chose were vulnerable people. His wife was a mother at the age of sixteen and the mistress was an orphan. No-one has ever stated the children were neglected or abused. They were cared for and were clean, well fed and attended school. The events of the fire etc are well known by posters. The history of Philpott is very disturbing and he was clearly a danger to women. He is considered by criminologists to be a psychopath.

The sexual element makes for dreadful reading. They participated in dogging which resulted in Mrs Philpott (Mairead) having an abortion. She and co-accused Paul Mosley were sexually involved. All of this was encouraged by Mick Philpott. He used to spend some nights with his wife and other nights in a caravan with the mistress. This went on for about ten years with them living together with all the children. The judge said Philpott had " no moral compass". It is obvious the judge was 100% correct in her analysis of Mick Philpott & co.

Grayson

Grand Moff Tarkin wrote: »

I will have to have a proper look at that thread. Saudi Arabia would not be top of my holiday list as it is too much of a religious country for my taste. And despite what the old hippy(because he is spineless he thinks anyone who shows some courage is blood thirsty)is trying to post about me i am far from a blood thirsty person but i do believe in tough justice and in some cases an eye for an eye.

Courage? What courage exactly did you display in your armchair wars? Did you have to wait two minutes to type a response before getting another can of beer? Do you expect a medal or some other kind of recognition?

LordSutch wrote: »

I concede and agree that if you (and Madam_x) look at it like that, well then Osborne was out of order!

I do however think that the whole benefit system needs to be looked at in the UK (re the very OTT Philpott benefit lifestyle), which was milking
the system for all its worth, but yes, on reflection the Chancellor might have chosen another time to bring this to political hot potato to the fore.

It's a strange thing. It could be argued that the ending could have been prevented if there was more money spent. Philpott was a bastard who manipulated and abused women. More support for women in that situation might have helped more.

But then again, although I do think there should be more support in general, this is a very specific case and drawing any type of broader conclusion from it is risky.

mathepac

Ah that's better.

old hippy

Grand Moff Tarkin wrote: »

And despite what the old hippy(because he is spineless he thinks anyone who shows some courage is blood thirsty)is trying to post about me i am far from a blood thirsty person but i do believe in tough justice and in some cases an eye for an eye.

There's nothing spineless in refusing to join in your well documented bloodlust for justice/money.

Grand Moff Tarkin

Grayson wrote: »

Courage? What courage exactly did you display in your armchair wars? Did you have to wait two minutes to type a response before getting another can of beer? Do you expect a medal or some other kind of recognition?

You know nothing.

Grayson

Grand Moff Tarkin wrote: »

You know nothing.

yes, I do know nothing.