Do you go to Mass regularly?

Fr_Dougal

Yes.

starlit

Yo fr d lol

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

philologos wrote: »

The Bible does command Christians as to how they should live. Christians should have fellowship with one another and worship God corporately as well as on their own, Christians should work together in society to tell more people about Jesus, and Christians should encourage one another in the Gospel to be able to do that. In order for that to happen in an organised way, there needs to be leadership.

Organised Christianity is as essential as it has always been to the Gospel.

In terms of where I currently go to church, yes there's a sermon on Sunday, but there are also small groups mid-week with other church members where we do study the Bible together. Moreover if I need to discuss with my pastor after if I misunderstand his sermon or think that it is mistaken I'm more than free to go to him and ask him about it.

Then we go down the wellp-trodden road of does the Bible command us to not eat shellfish and so many other ridiculous things I believe it was never intended to say in the first place.

At least, you go down it. I stay here with God and the free will He gave me. We're having shrimp.

Min

Truley wrote: »

Until I left home at eighteen I was forced to go every week and I fought and resented it from day one. When I was younger because it was so boring. From the age of about eight or nine because I started really questioning organised religion and had pretty much made up my mind what was or wasn't for me.

I didn't have the same fear or sense of duty that kept my parents going to mass and I can still vividly remember feeling extremely angry and almost violated by being forced to sit in a place I didn't want to be, be preached to about something I didn't believe in or agree with and by people I really just did not respect. As a child you go along with lots of things you don't want to do for your parents; school, shopping trips, visiting people, standing in queues etc and I could accept that but in the case of mass I just felt really disrespected that my feelings didn't come into it.

I know it seems like a trivial thing but at that age you are trying to assert yourself as an independent thinker with their own views and insights and to have it shot down or ignored like that can be so damaging. I see it now with the girl I mind who is nine years old. She just has her first Christmas where she didn't believe in 'Santa' and was very proud of herself telling all the adults around her how she had cottoned on to the fact but instead of accepting or maybe even being impressed with her that she had figured it out most adults' reaction was along the line of 'oh what are you talking about of course there's a Santa, don't be silly, you'll get presents la la la...' In the end I just told her to go along with it when people asked because it was really starting to grate on her. I think that's kind of sad.

Santa is based on a real person, the other bits were added on like the reindeer, sleigh and down the chimney stuff.
I bet the 9 year old wasn't telling them that.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/santa-claus-buried-in-ireland-1844534.html

Back on topic, I go to mass every Sunday because I want to.

Min

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Then we go down the wellp-trodden road of does the Bible command us to not eat shellfish and so many other ridiculous things I believe it was never intended to say in the first place.

At least, you go down it. I stay here with God and the free will He gave me. We're having shrimp.

The shellfish is in the book of Levicticus which is the book for the Levi's who were one of the 12 tribes of Israel where only the priests for the Jewish faith came from.
So rules for Jewish rabbis...

BunShopVoyeur

partyatmygaff wrote: »

BunShopVoyeur wrote: »

The church, its paedophilic members and it's ignorant/dumb followers can go fück itself. Funerals only.

You have to be majorly thick to support or believe that shïte in this day and age.

BunShopVoyeur wrote: »

Internet hard men. A terrifyingly ignorant and dumb breed.

Indeed.

Hilarious, Beg for thanks monkey, beg.

BunShopVoyeur

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

BunShopVoyeur wrote: »

Internet hard men. A terrifyingly ignorant and dumb breed.

Read your own post if you want to know about ignorance.

Read a Bible if you want to get more stupid and ridiculous. Go away God freak, your kind are only to be pitied

Solair

starbelgrade wrote: »

It doesn't happen much in Dublin, but it happens on quite a large scale -for various reasons - in most of the rest of the country.

I think it tends to be an urban vs "traditional rural" Ireland thing, not a Dublin vs Rest of Country thing.

You'll see exactly the same patterns in Cork, Galway, Limerick cities etc.

However, you'll also find some rural areas are far more liberal than others.

In general, I've found rural Ireland alternates between quite enlightened, liberal and relaxed to really conservative and traditional.

In general, I've found that it tends to correlate with places where there's very little going on and going to mass is the only social outlet. The result is that the locals have to go in order to be seen going in case the neighbours would say something.

philologos

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Then we go down the wellp-trodden road of does the Bible command us to not eat shellfish and so many other ridiculous things I believe it was never intended to say in the first place.

At least, you go down it. I stay here with God and the free will He gave me. We're having shrimp.

Again, I've explained in the following post the Christian position on dietary laws. Jesus fulfilled the dietary laws in Mark 7. Indeed, the Bible explicitly makes clear that there are two covenant agreements, the Old Covenant agreement with the Hebrews in the State of Israel, and the fulfillment of that in the New Covenant agreement in the New Testament. By the by, the Old Testament clearly says that there will be a new covenant agreement (Jeremiah 31:31-34).

If you're just going to ignore what I say this isn't going to be a very fruitful discussion. The reality is that the objection that you have made can be very easily explained.

hondasam

I go to mass for wedding funerals christenings etc I have nothing against mass just don't have the time to go every Sunday, I pray every night without fail, I'm not overly religious but I'm happy with what I do.
I do go to knock a few times a year and would attend mass then.
I think lots of people go out of habit more than anything tbh.

Gummy Panda

Mass is da poop

So no I don't

eviltwin

Is actually going to mass an obligation? Can you not watch it on tv or listen on the radio or is that cheating?

danslevent

Thread needs a poll!

DaNiEl1994

Siuin wrote: »

I say this as someone who attends services twice a week-- if my child ever said they would rather not go, I would not in a million years tell them otherwise. Faith is a wholly personal matter.

wish i had a parent like you :P still being forced to go at the age 17 when i keep telling them i dont want to be there

Fizzlesque

No, the whole thing gives me the creeps to be honest. Like many others, I'd go for a wedding or funeral, but the mumbling responses of 'praising the lord' (especially: 'it is right to give him thanks and praise' for some reason), make me feel very unsettled and, as I already mentioned, gives me the creeps.

Possibly has something to do with how thoughtlessly and unquestioningly I believed all I was trained to believe as a child - scares me a bit when I think about how malleable a child's mind is and how it's the luck of the draw what beliefs are planted into our minds.

As an adult, I had to undo so much (not only religious) stuff I'd been taught/told/programmed with as a child. Once I realised it was OK not to believe all the church/religion stuff I'd been brought up to believe, my sense of amazement that I'd ever managed to believe it all almost overwhelmed me.

So, no. I try to stay very far away from mass.

Susie_Q

DaNiEl1994 wrote: »

wish i had a parent like you :P still being forced to go at the age 17 when i keep telling them i dont want to be there

How on earth do they 'force' you? Have you tried the radical suggestion of just not going? If you don't want to go, then don't go. It's very simple.

Cassidy28

Just back there now.

hondasam

Susie_Q wrote: »

How on earth do they 'force' you? Have you tried the radical suggestion of just not going? If you don't want to go, then don't go. It's very simple.

It's called respecting your parents while living at home with them.

Susie_Q

Funny, I didn't know that 'respect' meant 'do everything I tell you without question'.

eviltwin

Susie_Q wrote: »

How on earth do they 'force' you? Have you tried the radical suggestion of just not going? If you don't want to go, then don't go. It's very simple.

Agreed...what is your parent going to do? Put a gun to your head? Kick you out?

You're 17, not a child, I have a daughter not much younger than you and I would rather she was upfront about her views and stand her ground on what she wants. They might not like it but they have to accept you are your own person.

hondasam

Susie_Q wrote: »

Funny, I didn't know that 'respect' meant 'do everything I tell you without question'.

It's called doing what ever you have too for a quite life. I'm sure we all did it when we lived at home. I definitely went to mass every Sunday when I lived at home.

partyatmygaff

BunShopVoyeur wrote: »

Hilarious, Beg for thanks monkey, beg.

For someone who foolishly insulted themselves while trying to insult everyone else, you're not really recovering well.

DaNiEl1994

my parents are fairly old fashioned father and mother are very old, ive had the argument with my father a few times and basically if i just outright refused to go it would bring alot of awkwardness and unwanted tension between parents and i.

Greentopia

DaNiEl1994 wrote: »

my parents are fairly old fashioned father and mother are very old, ive had the argument with my father a few times and basically if i just outright refused to go it would bring alot of awkwardness and unwanted tension between parents and i.

Why not just go somewhere else when you're supposed to be at mass? never understand why parents force their kids to go to mass, the only thing it does is turn them off Catholicism.
Which this ex-Catholic has no problem with, I think the world would be a hell of a lot better off without any religion but that's another debate...

Ush1

Sketch lads, philogos is here!:pac:

Greentopia

Greentopia wrote: »

Why not just go somewhere else when you're supposed to be at mass? never understand why parents force their kids to go to mass, the only thing it does is turn them off Catholicism.
Which this ex-Catholic has no problem with, I think the world would be a hell of a lot better off without any religion but that's another debate...

It didn't turn me off it, I go now fairly often of my own accord.

Also you cant be going around telling people under the age of 18 to defy their parents it will just cause them hassle. Next people will be telling them to go dossing down the town as they are being "forced" to go to school.

Greentopia

Iker Agreeable Apprentice wrote: »

It didn't turn me off it, I go now fairly often of my own accord.

Fair enough

Iker Agreeable Apprentice wrote: »

Also you cant be going around telling people under the age of 18 to defy their parents it will just cause them hassle. Next people will be telling them to go dossing down the town as they are being "forced" to go to school.

I'm not telling anyone to defy their parents. I asked why didn't you just do something else if you didn't want to go to mass. Yes it's going against your parents wishes but I don't happen to think parents are always right. My parents forced me to go to mass when I was a teen against my wishes. Was that right? no I don't believe so. It had the opposite effect than what they hoped it would have.

If people want to tell others to doss from school that's nothing to do with me. I wouldn't urge that.

DERPY HOOFS

Why do we need mass when we can talk to god telapathacally.
I have abandoned the church but god may be there somewhere.The Jewish zombie may be up there but if porn and alcohol are banned how can heaven be fun????????

My parents forced me to go to mass when I was a teen against my wishes. Was that right? no I don't believe so. It had the opposite effect than what they hoped it would have.

Same her skin i know the feeling.

Galwayguy35

BunShopVoyeur wrote: »

Read a Bible if you want to get more stupid and ridiculous. Go away God freak, your kind are only to be pitied

You just can't help yourself can you? I don't think you even realise how ignorant and insulting to me and others on this thread you have been. You just can't stand the fact that we have a different view on things to you.
I won't say what I really think of you because I don't want to get banned from the site.

shawnee

My son who is only 14 no longer wants to go to Mass. I go regularly and while I do have quite a few issues with the Catholic church, I still attend Mass and find the time for quite reflection worthwhile. I was brought up to attend Mass and always attended when at home. However it is a different era now , my son is far more educated than I was and in Religion , he is taught about sever different religions. When I attended school there was only one religion spoken of.
The church has also been involved in several scandals which haven't been handled well atall. I feel that it is time to allow him to make his own decision and think it is not right to impose our religion on him. :rolleyes:

philologos

Galwayguy35: Don't feed the troll. It's the rule of the internet

Morag

shawnee wrote: »

I feel that it is time to allow him to make his own decision and think it is not right to impose our religion on him. :rolleyes:

You already did impose your religion on him.

You signed him up when he was a babe and made a promise to have him indoctrinated and made an adult member of the RC church.
That happened when he was confirmed.

As far as the RC church is concerned he is a fully paid up member and will be forever.

If you really wanted him to have a real choice you would not have had him baptised.

iguana

If someone I love is having a special life event ceremony (including a funeral) in a church and invites me to attend I will go if I can. The same as I'd go to synagogue, temple, forest or registry office if they are Jewish, Muslim/Hindu/Buddhist, Pagan or non religious for the special event of a member of those religions/non-religions

Fenian Army

RichieC wrote: »

You're helping to keep ****ty sectarianism alive, so it means something to all Irish people.

What utter nonsense.

Him going to mass is not sustaining sectarianism.

Personally I believe it is partition, within the 6 counties sectarianism has thrived because it plays a political role, delivers political gains for politicians. With the current set up that is probably more true than ever.

Regardless, if you want a non sectarian society the foundation must be TOLERANCE not people ditching religion, they are entitled to faith. Him going to mass is not causing, or sustaining sectarianism.

partyatmygaff

Sharrow wrote: »

You already did impose your religion on him.

You signed him up when he was a babe and made a promise to have him indoctrinated and made an adult member of the RC church.
That happened when he was confirmed.

As far as the RC church is concerned he is a fully paid up member and will be forever.

If you really wanted him to have a real choice you would not have had him baptised.

So effectively a piece of paper that few people look at in an office dictates your religious beliefs?

News to me anyway.

jimthemental

Today was the first Sunday I was home since August and the first time since then I was due to go pay lip service for the sake of keeping the parents happy. I told them during the week that I'm an atheist but somehow it didn't sink in. My oul fella couldn't understand why I wouldn't go this morning. I think it gets so ingrained in people that they don't even think of the time they waste on a sunday if they don't believe.

iguana

Fenian Army wrote: »

Regardless, if you want a non sectarian society the foundation must be TOLERANCE not people ditching religion, they are entitled to faith. Him going to mass is not causing, or sustaining sectarianism.

Which would be true if he was going to mass based on a personally held faith but he isn't. He is going to mass because Protestants killed Catholics and is also forcing his children to go for that reason, which is sectarianism.

Fenian Army

iguana wrote: »

Which would be true if he was going to mass based on a personally held faith but he isn't. He is going to mass because Protestants killed Catholics and is also forcing his children to go for that reason, which is sectarianism.

His post also says he has faith.

Morag

partyatmygaff wrote: »

So effectively a piece of paper that few people look at in an office dictates your religious beliefs?

News to me anyway.

The RC considers it self to be hotel california, you can check out but you can never leave.

partyatmygaff

Sharrow wrote: »

The RC considers it self to be hotel california, you can check out but you can never leave.

By talking to user "X" on boards.ie user "X" automatically assumes you to be a member of his group.

You don't think you're part of his group and don't identify as being a member of his group.

Other people do think they're part of his group and identify as such.

User "X" relies on boards.ie census data to tally the members of his group due to its vast size.

In this analogy, who are the members of user X's group?

IrishAm

I dont go no, but me gran does.

Judging by this thread, it seems to be a revolutionary act for anyone under the age of 30 to admit being a practicing Catholic these days.

I wonder would non Christians receive the same wrath.

I somewhat doubt it.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

hondasam wrote: »

It's called doing what ever you have too for a quite life. I'm sure we all did it when we lived at home. I definitely went to mass every Sunday when I lived at home.

It's called spinelessness. There is a huge difference between being respectful and being subserviant.

Coal1978

It's slow aerobics for old people.....sit down, stand up, kneel down, now repeat 3 times over the course of 40 mins.

hondasam

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

It's called spinelessness. There is a huge difference between being respectful and being subserviant.

Are you saying all teenagers who do stuff to suit their parents for a quite life are wimps?

IrishAm

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

It's called spinelessness. There is a huge difference between being respectful and being subserviant.

Sitting in a church for 40 minutes every so often to keep your parents happy is not spineless behaviour.

Never do something you didnt particularly enjoy for a loved one, no?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

hondasam wrote: »

Are you saying all teenagers who do stuff to suit their parents for a quite life are wimps?

I would have thought that it is pretty clear I was referring to one specific case.

IrishAm wrote: »

Sitting in a church for 40 minutes every so often to keep your parents happy is not spineless behaviour.

Never do something you didnt particularly enjoy for a loved one, no?

People who love you don't foced you continue and practice a religion you no longer feel comfortable with or in any way associated with and will listen to your objections. People who love their 17 year old kids accept that they are indiviuslas and have free will. (Well, they might, but they certainlt don;t respect you, and I find it hard to love people, even fmaily members, who don't respect me.)

hondasam

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

I would have thought that it is pretty clear I was referring to one specific case.

Ok just that particular poster is a wimp and any other teenager who opts for the quiet life?
We all do things to suit other people even though we don't agree with it or want to do it, it's unavoidable sometimes but it does not make you a wimp.

bbam

I've only looked at some posts in this thread but it strikes me that there is much more abuse and general disrespect being given from many of those who don't attend mass or partake in any religion at all. It sorta proves a point really.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

hondasam wrote: »

Ok just that particular poster is a wimp and any other teenager who opts for the quiet life?
We all do things to suit other people even though we don't agree with it or want to do it, it's unavoidable sometimes but it does not make you a wimp.

No, not what I said either.

humanji

BunShopVoyeur banned for a week for several breaches of the charter.