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Mosin nagant

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  • 12-05-2012 8:58pm
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    kinky bear
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    I am considering getting a mosin nagant. The caliber is 7.65x54 its a bolt action and has a 5 round mag. What I am posting here is to ask will it be difficult to get the licence for it and where in the republic would i be able to purchase one. Any help on this would be greatly apricated
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    gunhappy_ie
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    john kavanagh in fingal sports specialises in classic firearms from mosins/springfields along with ammunition. Getting a licence will depend on weather its your first licence/your intended use and weather your a member of a range


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    kinky bear
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    gunhappy_ie wrote: »
    john kavanagh in fingal sports specialises in classic firearms from mosins/springfields along with ammunition. Getting a licence will depend on weather its your first licence/your intended use and weather your a member of a range

    It will be my third gun license and I am not a member of a range at the moment would I have to join one to get the license or would it just make the process easier?


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    Witcher
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    kinky bear wrote: »
    It will be my third gun license and I am not a member of a range at the moment would I have to join one to get the license or would it just make the process easier?

    Well if you want it for target shooting you will have to join a range:)


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    kinky bear
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    Blay wrote: »
    Well if you want it for target shooting you will have to join a range:)

    I want it for any kind of shooting to be honest. First time i saw the gun I wanted one.


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    gunhappy_ie
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    You could use it for shooting deer or target shooting, both of which will require paperwork.

    The VCRAI hold a couple of shoots a year that you could attend but as its an association and not a club/range you would also need to be a member of an authorized range or have the rifle licenced for hunting deer. I doubt that Supers are giving out centerfire rifle licences without a similar reason to those listed above.

    Have a look at www.vcrai.com

    GH


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    ormondprop
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    I see some original scopes for mausers and mosin nagants for sale on www.irishguntrader.ie at the moment that might interest you


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    kinky bear
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    Thanks to everyone so far you have all been a lot of help


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    FISMA
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    kinky bear wrote: »
    I am considering getting a mosin nagant. The caliber is 7.65x54 its a bolt action and has a 5 round mag. What I am posting here is to ask will it be difficult to get the licence for it and where in the republic would i be able to purchase one. Any help on this would be greatly apricated

    kinky bear,
    My advice would be to reconsider the Nagant. I have had both the 91/30 and the M/44 and have now learned better.

    I live in the states and can pick these up for one or two hundred dollars and would not do so.

    First, given the hassle you're going to go through to get this licensed, an Enfield, K98, or K31 would literally be a quantum leap in technology.

    I don't mean to rain on your parade, however, unless you are literally being given one, I would get another war gun.

    If you have a chance to cycle the bolts on the rifles mentioned you'll notice that there is some fail-safe to bolt blow back. Cycle the Nagant and you'll see very little redundancy in ensuring that bolt does not fly back.

    As a matter of fact, I distinctly remember looking at how the Nagant action came back - a bit to effortless for me, and worrying.

    Then there's fit, finish, and all.

    Also, can you get modern ammo for this or will you have to shoot the corrosive stuff?


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    EWQuinn
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    Then again, if you are really in love with Mosin's and want to appreciate the history of the former Russian Imperial / Soviet main battle rifle, you will find these great references on everything Mosin (unless youve already been there).

    http://7.62x54r.net/

    http://www.russian-mosin-nagant.com/

    http://www.mosinnagant.net/default.asp

    I have one from your Finnish neighbors to the north who perfected the Mosin. If you can snag some of the surplus Russian Factory 60 or 188 , or Bulgarian (circle 10) 149 gr light ball steel cased ammo, you won't be sorry it shoots nice. Or the Barnaul new made stuff w/ laquer coated cases shoots fine and non-corrosive too.

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    Mr.Flibble
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    And this.

    http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinHumor.htm

    (I know it's been posted before, but maybe some people haven't seen it yet, and it is quite funny.)


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    FISMA
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    Just wondering...

    Anyone care to share the expected cost of a very fine example of the following? Nothing fancy, just shooters.

    Mosin Russian Prices
    Mosin Finnish Prices
    Mauser K98
    Enfield - No4 MkII
    K31

    Sorry to hijack your thread Kinky Bear. Have you contacted Dave Mulvihill in Ballymahon? I don't remember seeing War Guns in his collection, however, he is great to deal with. If he can't sort you out, I am not sure who can.


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    rowa
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    Buy a swiss k31 , they are the best of the bolt action military rifles that aren't restricted here, they are a bit quirky with the straight-pull bolt , but beautifully engineered and chambered for a good round.
    the mosin nagant is a lump of drain pipe fastened to a fence post by comparison.


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    It wasn't me!
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    rowa wrote: »
    Buy a swiss k31 , they are the best of the bolt action military rifles that aren't restricted here, they are a bit quirky with the straight-pull bolt , but beautifully engineered and chambered for a good round.
    the mosin nagant is a lump of drain pipe fastened to a fence post by comparison.

    The Mosin is a lump of drain pipe fastened to a fence post without any comparison. :p


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    FISMA
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    It wasn't me! wrote: »
    The Mosin is a lump of drain pipe fastened to a fence post without any comparison. :p

    Ah c'mon IWB, they're not quite that bad, are they?

    Seriously Kinky Bear, I bought two old surplus commie rifles and commie surplus blue box ammo. They shot fine out of the box. I could hit a 8" plate with Iron sights from the bench without a problem.

    I wouldn't hesitate to drop a deer at 100ya with iron sights. 300ya with a Nagant, I would not recommend on any game. A K31, Enfield, or Mauser - not a problem.

    If you're getting a Finish rifle, things will be better, like the one shown above.

    If you like it, then buy it. I have plenty of rifles that people who knew more than I told me not to buy, but I still love them.

    Rifles are like women, sometimes you just fall in love with one, even though you know it's wrong for you!:D


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    It wasn't me!
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    Oh, don't get me wrong. I actually have something of a soft spot for them entirely because of their completely unabashed lack of sophistication.


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    FISMA
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    It wasn't me! wrote: »
    Oh, don't get me wrong. I actually have something of a soft spot for them entirely because of their completely unabashed lack of sophistication.
    True,
    There's something about varnish on the bluing!;)


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    kinky bear
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    FISMA wrote: »
    Rifles are like women, sometimes you just fall in love with one, even though you know it's wrong for you!:D

    I think thats the case for me with the nagant to be honest man


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    FISMA
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    kinky bear wrote: »
    I think thats the case for me with the nagant to be honest man

    When it comes to buying rifles, I have always said that I would rather regret buying one, than regret not buying one.

    Just make sure that you don't pay a lot or a price that's close to a K98, K31, or No. 4.

    As long as she's cheap and comes with all of those Russian gizmo's she'll do fine.

    Get some modern ammo and with a bit of practice, she'll take any deer.

    Slan.


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    EWQuinn
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    One can admire the design approach of mother Russia. They had to field a battle rifle that would be low cost and readily mass produced for a huge peasant army without great sophistication.

    It was part of the Russian philosophy stated by Kalashnikov "Anything that is complex is not useful and anything that is useful is simple. This has been my whole life's motto." and in that way a predecessor in approach to the genius of simplicity that is the Kalashnikov. Also recall "Quantity has a quality all its own".

    So what is the legacy of the Mosin? Well today in large part a very affordable surplus rifle with lots of 7.62x54R ammo that is reasonably accurate and fun to shoot, and the Mosin is not a bad poor man's replica sniper rifle in the scoped variants.

    However, if you can get a Finn M27/28/39, I highly recommend that version. The Finns took the cost effectiveness and simplicity and added more quality down the bore and the stock with associated fine accuracy. The bores of a Finn rifle are like the Swiss, almost always well cared for.


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    tac foley
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    EWQuinn wrote: »
    One can admire the design approach of mother Russia. They had to field a battle rifle that would be low cost and readily mass produced for a huge peasant army without great sophistication.

    It was part of the Russian philosophy stated by Kalashnikov "Anything that is complex is not useful and anything that is useful is simple. This has been my whole life's motto." and in that way a predecessor in approach to the genius of simplicity that is the Kalashnikov. Also recall "Quantity has a quality all its own".

    So what is the legacy of the Mosin? Well today in large part a very affordable surplus rifle with lots of 7.62x54R ammo that is reasonably accurate and fun to shoot, and the Mosin is not a bad poor man's replica sniper rifle in the scoped variants.

    However, if you can get a Finn M27/28/39, I highly recommend that version. The Finns took the cost effectiveness and simplicity and added more quality down the bore and the stock with associated fine accuracy. The bores of a Finn rifle are like the Swiss, almost always well cared for.

    Good post, Sir.

    The barrels on the Finnish M-N were mostly made by Tikkakoski - well-known today as simply Tikka.

    Quality stuff then and now.

    tac


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