Europe's nations should be guided towards the super-state....

donegal_road

"Europe's nations should be guided towards the super-state without their people understanding what is happening. This can be accomplished by successive steps, each disguised as having an economic purpose, but which will eventually and irreversibly lead to federation." - Jean Monnet, 'Founding Father' of the EU

I thought it would be apt to post this quote on the run up to the fiscal treaty referendum... sorry if you are all blue-in-the-face with it, this couldn't go without a mention.

Pedant

I, for one, welcome our usual European overlords ... not.

HavingCrack

What's the source for that quote???

curlzy

Well that's just scary.

IM0

much better to be aligned to europe than be a rock in the middle of the ocean with no natural resources
we are NOT the US

Biggins

Meh!

I'm Irish and proud!

Stuff the federation! Go Browncoats!

Tonyandthewhale

First of all, Jean Monnet died in 1979, so is this really news?

Second of all, can we have a source for this qoute so we can be sure that it's an actual qoute as well as see the context in which it was said and how it relates to actual policy in terms of European integration. Because, that sort of stuff is kinda important.

charlemont

I'v no problem with it, But I do have a problem with too much government and I fear the EU will get tangled up in too much bureaucracy.

HavingCrack

Tonyandthewhale wrote: »

First of all, Jean Monnet died in 1979, so is this really news?

Second of all, can we have a source for this qoute so we can be sure that it's an actual qoute as well as see the context in which it was said and how it relates to actual policy in terms of European integration. Because, that sort of stuff is kinda important.

Monnet did say some crazy stuff over the years but I've never seen this quote referenced anywhere before.

Ole Rodrigo

It's an enviable outcome of european union - just a question of how long it will take. We get peace, economic growth, keep our cultural identities and serve as a model for the developing world..not so bad really.

Atlantis50

donegal_road wrote: »

"Europe's nations should be guided towards the super-state without their people understanding what is happening. This can be accomplished by successive steps, each disguised as having an economic purpose, but which will eventually and irreversibly lead to federation." - Jean Monnet, 'Founding Father' of the EU

I thought it would be apt to post this quote on the run up to the fiscal treaty referendum... sorry if you are all blue-in-the-face with it, this couldn't go without a mention.

You're posting in the wrong forum. Here's where your OP should be:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=576

donegal_road

HavingCrack wrote: »

What's the source for that quote???

4th quote from the bottom here

there are many references to that quote online

steve9859

Leaving quotes aside, is it not obvious that a European state has always been the intention?

And now, if it doesn't happen (or at least the imposition of 100% centrally controlled fiscal policy, a Eurobond, and the closing down of individual country central banks) the Euro will inevitably break up....seems pretty black and white to me. The EU as currently structured simply does not, and will not work....I suspect the architects of the Euro always knew that.

partyatmygaff

Jean Monnet never actually said that. That quote came from a British conservative MP who was paraphrasing his intentions (And deceitfully creating a federation was not one of them).

If you Google that quote all you find is it posted on other forums, "activist" blogs, the site for UKIP and (Surprise surprise) the Daily Mail. Not a single verifiable source that attributes it to Jean Monnet.

donegal_road

donegal_road wrote: »

"Europe's nations should be guided towards the super-state without their people understanding what is happening. This can be accomplished by successive steps, each disguised as having an economic purpose, but which will eventually and irreversibly lead to federation." - Jean Monnet, 'Founding Father' of the EU

I thought it would be apt to post this quote on the run up to the fiscal treaty referendum... sorry if you are all blue-in-the-face with it, this couldn't go without a mention.

It might have been more successful if they had put the steps in the right order.

golden lane

partyatmygaff wrote: »

Jean Monnet never actually said that. That quote came from a British conservative MP who was paraphrasing his intentions (And deceitfully creating a federation was not one of them).

If you Google that quote all you find is it posted on other forums, "activist" blogs, the site for UKIP and (Surprise surprise) the Daily Mail. Not a single verifiable source that attributes it to Jean Monnet.

he may not have said it...but he meant it......

biko

OP please use one of the many threads already in existence, or perhaps the Politics or EU forums.
But there, as here, you should back up your statements with credible sources. Otherwise this just turns into one of those "was Hitler really vegetarian?" threads.