Will Greece turn in to a fascist state if they leave Euro?

aligator_am

Saw this article a few minutes ago, can't say it's 100% accurate but makes me wonder will Greece turn in to a fascist / totalitarian state if they get launched out of the Eurozone and protests escallate from what's happening now?

Could we have a Greek Hitler? will he bother showing up for meetings or be too busy filling in tax returns?

http://www.ansamed.info/ansamed/en/news/sections/politics/2012/05/11/Greece-than-half-police-officers-voted-Neonazi-party_6854190.html

(ANSAmed) - ATHENS, MAY 11 - More than half of all police officers in Greece voted for pro-Nazi party Chrysi Avgi' (Golden Dawn) in the elections of May 6. This is the disconcerting result of an analysis carried out by the authoritative newspaper To Vima (TheTribune) in several constituencies in Athens, where 5,000 police officers in service in the Greek capital also cast their ballot.

At some polling stations Chrysi Avgi' obtained 19 to 24% of votes.

Others, like Agios Panteleimonas and Kypseli, traditional strongholds of the party, reached 15 to 18%. According to the newspaper, at the 11 polling stations (from 806 to 816) located near the police station (Ellas), Chrysi Avgi' received most votes, reaching 18.64% at station 813 and 23.67% at number 816.

Other polling stations situated at a short distance from the ones mentioned before, where police officers do not vote, recorded 12-14% of votes for the Golden Dawn party.

Moreover, the four polling stations located near the riot police station (MAT), used by the police, recorded percentages between 13 and 19 for Chrysi Avgi'.

These figures, To Vima underlines, are impressive, considering the fact that other polling stations close to the riot police station reached 7-10% of votes for the pro-Nazi party. Based on the electoral lists, 550 to 700 people have voted at each of these voting stations, of which 20 to 30% police officers. This means, the newspaper worked out, that 45 to 59% of police officers have voted for Chrysi Avgi'. (ANSAmed).

minidazzler

Cops looking to have an Authoritarian state, well, I never.

ejmaztec

aligator_am wrote: »

Could we have a Greek Hitler? will he bother showing up for meetings or be too busy filling in tax returns?

I don't think the Greeks bother with those, they play their cards very close to their chests.

Nodin

Drachma=/=jackboots.

Capt'n Midnight

Bit like the figures Sinn Fein are getting here.

And you can take it there are just as many people diametrically opposed same as here.

I've heard of people voting for the treaty simply because SF were against it. Will be the same in Greece.

There was some unpleasantness during the 1940's in Greece and more recently in the former Yugoslavia so probably they know that too.

Zebra3

Will Greece turn in to a fascist state if they leave Euro?

If they do, they could set up an alliance with the US then.

Pottler

Greece was always slippery - no telling what way it will slide.

aligator_am

Pottler wrote: »

Greece was always slippery - no telling what way it will slide.

Wonder if Ireland's head will be next on the chopping block if / when Greece coils up?

Not sure if the whole fascism thing will take off here again, how many years did we have under the wonderful guidance / oppression of the Catholic Church?

As my Dad said, the SS could have learned a lot in brutality ideas from the Nuns here

Pedant

No. However I do think that Greece with see increasing clashes between the far-left and the far-right. Eventually though, I think the radical left will gain sway in Greece.

suicide_circus

aligator_am wrote: »

Could we have a Greek Hitler?

Adolphus Hitleropolus?

St.Spodo

I thought 'Nazi' was an arbitrary term to describe them until I did a bit of research into them. They are in essence a neo-Nazi party.

aligator_am

suicide_circus wrote: »

Adolphus Hitleropolus?

He's very likely a direct descendant of Alexander the Great, I think he expanded Eastwards looking for more Jews to do in.

bnt

Which Fascists would be in charge, then? The Neo-Nazi "Golden Dawn" party, which took 21 seats in their parliament? Or the Communist "KKE" party, with 26 seats? If they tried to broker an agreement, that would be about as durable as the Hitler-Stalin pact that was in effect at the start of WW2.

PS: they're going back to the polls, since all attempts to form a government have failed.

aligator_am

St.Spodo wrote: »

I thought 'Nazi' was an arbitrary term to describe them until I did a bit of research into them. They are in essence a neo-Nazi party.

I'd say you're correct, from what I know of them (farily limited) they are a neo Nazi bunch, also saw that they denied that the holocaust happened which is mad stuff, if they can come out with that kind of mental crap and they still get more votes in the upcomping June election then I would worry about the future of Greece (beyond the obvious financial doom).

aligator_am

bnt wrote: »

Which Fascists would be in charge, then? The Neo-Nazi "Golden Dawn" party, which took 21 seats in their parliament? Or the Communist "KKE" party, with 26 seats? If they tried to broker an agreement, that would be about as durable as the Hitler-Stalin pact that was in effect at the start of WW2 ...

Yeah but that pact worked for a couple of years, they just needed a scapegoat in the middle to absorb their frustrations

Doesn't look like there's a Poland this time, but the immigrants sure look like a tasty target.

Hopefully I'm wrong on that in fairness.

SafeSurfer

A Greek Hitler ha ha just imagine the mustache.

flutterflye

I have no decent opinion on this subject.
But every time I see the thread title, I read "Will and Grace" - I can't be the only one who keeps thinking that's what it says, am I?

Capt'n Midnight

1843, 3 September: Military coup and revolution caused by the King's refusal to grant a constitution
1862, 10 October: Military coup. Otto leaves the throne and the country
1916, 30 August: Successful anti-royalist coup by the Movement of National Defence.
1923, October: Failed anti-Venizelist military coup, sparked out of fear for the upcoming elections' result
1923, 19 December: King George II is "asked" to leave the country. Admiral Pavlos Kountouriotis is named Regent
1924, 7 October: Failed military coup
1925, 15 March: Successful coup led by General Theodoros Pangalos.
1926, 23 August: General Pangalos is overthrown after a coup.
1933, March: Failed pro-Venezelist coup
1935, March: Failed coup led by Venizelos and Nikolaos Plastiras. Venizelos flees in France and dies in Paris the following year, the armed forces are purged of Venizelist and Republican officers
1935, 10 October: Coup led by Georgios Kondylis abolishes the Republic, confirmed by a rigged plebiscite later the same year
1936, 4 August: Coup by General Ioannis Metaxas, who declares a state of emergency, decrees martial law, annuls various articles of the Constitution and establishes a crisis cabinet to put to an end the growing riots and to restore social order.

1940 - 1949 WWII and Civil war

1956: Failed coup against King Paul I by a group of colonels
1965, 1 October: Royal Coup, involving King Constantine II and a group of politicians, known as Apostasia of 1965. Prime Minister George Papandreou is forced to resign
1967, 21 April: Successful coup d'état led by a group of colonels
1972, 2 March: Ecclesiastical coup in Cyprus fails to remove Makarios from the Presidency
1974, 15 July: The Greek regime sponsors a coup d'état in Nicosia, replacing President Makarios III with Nikos Sampson
1974, 23 July: Nikos Sampson is removed from office and replaced with Glafkos Klerides. The coup regime ends. A general ceasefire is declared


Hmmmm maybe they are just coup-coup



But you have to remember that Turkey has an army of 666,576

K-9

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

1843, 3 September: Military coup and revolution caused by the King's refusal to grant a constitution
1862, 10 October: Military coup. Otto leaves the throne and the country
1916, 30 August: Successful anti-royalist coup by the Movement of National Defence.
1923, October: Failed anti-Venizelist military coup, sparked out of fear for the upcoming elections' result
1923, 19 December: King George II is "asked" to leave the country. Admiral Pavlos Kountouriotis is named Regent
1924, 7 October: Failed military coup
1925, 15 March: Successful coup led by General Theodoros Pangalos.
1926, 23 August: General Pangalos is overthrown after a coup.
1933, March: Failed pro-Venezelist coup
1935, March: Failed coup led by Venizelos and Nikolaos Plastiras. Venizelos flees in France and dies in Paris the following year, the armed forces are purged of Venizelist and Republican officers
1935, 10 October: Coup led by Georgios Kondylis abolishes the Republic, confirmed by a rigged plebiscite later the same year
1936, 4 August: Coup by General Ioannis Metaxas, who declares a state of emergency, decrees martial law, annuls various articles of the Constitution and establishes a crisis cabinet to put to an end the growing riots and to restore social order.

1940 - 1949 WWII and Civil war

1956: Failed coup against King Paul I by a group of colonels
1965, 1 October: Royal Coup, involving King Constantine II and a group of politicians, known as Apostasia of 1965. Prime Minister George Papandreou is forced to resign
1967, 21 April: Successful coup d'état led by a group of colonels
1972, 2 March: Ecclesiastical coup in Cyprus fails to remove Makarios from the Presidency
1974, 15 July: The Greek regime sponsors a coup d'état in Nicosia, replacing President Makarios III with Nikos Sampson
1974, 23 July: Nikos Sampson is removed from office and replaced with Glafkos Klerides. The coup regime ends. A general ceasefire is declared


Hmmmm maybe they are just coup-coup



But you have to remember that Turkey has an army of 666,576

Indeed, it does kind of have a bit of a tradition for military Government. Because of its location also gets a lot of illegal immigrants hence the backlash.

Gee Bag

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

But you have to remember that Turkey has an army of 666,576

The boys and girls in Conspiracy Theories will have a field day with this!

Winston Payne

Bit of simmering in Turkey over the last few years too over the constitution and the military and that. They're sworn to uphold it and to remain politically uninvolved but things have been delicate. Lovely stuff.

kowloon

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

But you have to remember that Turkey has an army of 666,576

You would think they'd get off their arses and hire another 90 people for the double effect.

Winston Payne

Or another 423. Get the upside-down multiplier going.

Daftendirekt

flutterflye wrote: »

I have no decent opinion on this subject.
But every time I see the thread title, I read "Will and Grace" - I can't be the only one who keeps thinking that's what it says, am I?

You can and you are.

flutterflye

Daftendirekt wrote: »

You can and you are.

Sorry! I take sleepy meds at night time - I was obviously a tad out of it when I wrote that!
As you were...

conorhal

Short answer, no.

The far right in France garnered a larger vote in the presidential elections then it did in Greece, just to put things into perspective. This is media hype and spin and nothing more.
If you want to know where the real problems are going to come from I suggest that you look at rise the far left in Greece, they are in second place at the moment and once the election is re-run Greece will have their equivalent of the United Left Alliance as the largest party in the country. You're far more likely to see a Stalin then a Hitler if it comes to a revolution.

bnt

Now you mention the Turkish army ... if there's political turmoil in Greece, I would keep one eye on Cyprus too. :eek:

Biggins

Doing my reading of the Financial Times this morning (here), I see that a bank run has slightly started already.
(700 million in one day)
This certainly not a good sign if this alone keeps up.
I fear the eventual complications might lead to history repeating itself (the last time a big country went belly-up and the far right took over).

I think the dam has already broken - but for the sake of all those living in the country, I hope to god I'm wrong.

Daftendirekt

flutterflye wrote: »

Sorry! I take sleepy meds at night time - I was obviously a tad out of it when I wrote that!
As you were...

(I was just kidding btw. Probably should have thrown in one of these :pac:)

Benny_Cake

conorhal wrote: »

Short answer, no.

The far right in France garnered a larger vote in the presidential elections then it did in Greece, just to put things into perspective. This is media hype and spin and nothing more.
If you want to know where the real problems are going to come from I suggest that you look at rise the far left in Greece, they are in second place at the moment and once the election is re-run Greece will have their equivalent of the United Left Alliance as the largest party in the country. You're far more likely to see a Stalin then a Hitler if it comes to a revolution.

Syriza is a good deal more centre-left than the United Left Alliance are. It's an electoral coalition so it does contain small groups of Communists, but the largest component is a group that broke away from the KKE (Communist Party) over it's slavish devotion to the party line from Moscow (mainly because the breakaway group supported a multiparty democracy if they won power). Internally they are a democratic group as well, so there should be no worries of a Stalin emerging from Syriza. Whether there will be anything left to govern by the time of the election is another question...

Benny_Cake

Biggins wrote: »

Doing my reading of the Financial Times this morning (here), I see that a bank run has slightly started already.
(700 million in one day)
This certainly not a good sign if this alone keeps up.
I fear the eventual complications might lead to history repeating itself (the last time a big country went belly-up and the far right took over).

I think the dam has already broken - but for the sake of all those living in the country, I hope to god I'm wrong.

I honestly don't think that there is a prospect of the far-right winning power, but no financial system can take those kind of losses for long. At this rate, by the time Greece leaves the Euro the banks will have been cleaned out and everyone will have plenty of Euro notes to trade for drachmas when inflation kicks in.