Knock Airport

JCX BXC · 22-09-2014 11:04pm

imurdaddy wrote: »

ya suits me! I just felt compelled to clarify that point.

so any more knock news??

Nothing more than the 100,000 passenvers. in august.

Tenger · 23-09-2014 1:35am

imurdaddy wrote: »

The attempting to class Shannon & Knock as like for like is laughable! .......
Knock is a great service and facilitie for where it is and great employment boost to the areas, but you can not compare it with Dublin or Shannon,....

And this is the reason the mods want to keep such comparison out of this thread as invariably it devolves into a back and forth snipe.
Granted you did follow my advice and use logic and reasoning in your response without attacking another poster.

afatbollix · 23-09-2014 1:02pm

So any word on the Gatwick route??

If it does go I'll have to fly to Dublin and drive down

highlydebased · 23-09-2014 1:40pm

Gatwick now seems to be on sale for next summer

JCX BXC · 23-09-2014 4:32pm

highlydebased wrote: »

Gatwick now seems to be on sale for next summer

Why was it listed on wikipedia as ending then?

L1011 · 23-09-2014 4:34pm

Carnacalla wrote: »

Why was it listed on wikipedia as ending then?

Because Wikipedia is edited by random people.

JCX BXC · 23-09-2014 4:36pm

MYOB wrote: »

Because Wikipedia is edited by random people.

Better question is why did this person list the route as ending in march?

highlydebased · 23-09-2014 4:40pm

The winter season ends and the summer starts at the end of March traditionally

JCX BXC · 23-09-2014 4:41pm

highlydebased wrote: »

The winter season ends and the summer starts at the end of March traditionally

Not really answering my question.

L1011 · 23-09-2014 4:48pm

Carnacalla wrote: »

Better question is why did this person list the route as ending in march?

Because that was when it was bookable to and they made a stupid assumption.

cgill · 23-09-2014 4:51pm

Since August, no flights were bookable after March 28th, its great that EI found a way to keep it going despite the base closure. Pity it's going to be an A319 again.

cgill · 23-09-2014 4:54pm

MYOB wrote: »

Because that was when it was bookable to and they made a stupid assumption.

Not really a stupid assumption, the base closure and EI's 330 day booking policy as well as there being no gap in the operations for the route made quite a lot of people think that it was the end of the route..

JCX BXC · 23-09-2014 4:57pm

cgill wrote: »

Pity it's going to be an A319 again.

If you can't fill an a320, why bother having one on the route. I don't see much of a difference in an a319/a320 in terms of being a passenger.

cgill · 23-09-2014 5:07pm

Carnacalla wrote: »

If you can't fill an a320, why bother having one on the route. I don't see much of a difference in an a319/a320 in terms of being a passenger.

Taking August as an example, this is hardly a coincidence:

9180 -A320 (Aug 2014)
7818 -A319 (Aug 2013)
9323 -A320 (Aug 2012)
8653 -A320 (Aug 2011)

On a short route like Knock-Gatwick, the differences between A319 and A320 arent as important for a passenger. But the passenger numbers appear to suffer on a route that can sustain an A320.

JCX BXC · 23-09-2014 5:11pm

cgill wrote: »

Taking August as an example, this is hardly a coincidence:

9180 -A320 (Aug 2014)
7818 -A319 (Aug 2013)
9323 -A320 (Aug 2012)
8653 -A320 (Aug 2011)

On a short route like Knock-Gatwick, the differences between A319 and A320 arent as important for a passenger. But the passenger numbers appear to suffer on a route that can sustain an A320.

An august example is no example. If its able to sustain an a320 for 3 sunmer months, what about the other 9?

cgill · 23-09-2014 5:14pm

Carnacalla wrote: »

An august example is no example. If its able to sustain an a320 for 3 sunmer months, what about the other 9?

It has an A320 this winter too. I expect it's simply an operational reason for the switch and not a reflection of the route performance.

JCX BXC · 23-09-2014 5:21pm

cgill wrote: »

It has an A320 this winter too. I expect it's simply an operational reason for the switch and not a reflection of the route performance.

I don't understand your point.

It is likely that an a320 may not have the load factor in months other than august and that may be the reason the route was downgraded

It could also be the DAA bribing Aer Lingus to get the bigger planes to Its new T2

L1011 · 23-09-2014 5:23pm

Carnacalla wrote: »

It could also be the DAA bribing Aer Lingus to get the bigger planes to Its new T2

Its not.

JCX BXC · 23-09-2014 5:24pm

MYOB wrote: »

Its not.

That was more of a sarcastic remark than an honest opinion.

cgill · 23-09-2014 5:28pm

Carnacalla wrote: »

I don't understand your point.

It is likely that an a320 may not have the load factor in months other than august and that may be the reason the route was downgraded

It could also be the DAA bribing Aer Lingus to get the bigger planes to Its new T2

Over 6000 passenger carried in March 2012/13 which could be more suited to an A319 than an A320 but the rest of the year looks to have the capacity for an A320.

My point is that since it will be a W-pattern, based in either Dublin or Belfast, then the DUB or BHD flight may not have the capacity for an A320 which obviously has an affect on the Knock aircraft.

And it's not the big, bad DAA.... :-D

JCX BXC · 23-09-2014 5:30pm

cgill wrote: »

Over 6000 passenger carried in March 2012/13 which could be more suited to an A319 than an A320 but the rest of the year looks to have the capacity for an A320.

My point is that since it will be a W-pattern, based in either Dublin or Belfast, then the DUB or BHD flight may not have the capacity for an A320 which obviously has an affect on the Knock aircraft.

And it's not the big, bad DAA.... :-D

Thanks for clarifying. It seems that since the a319 was introduced it has been having an adverse effect on belfast, Shannon and knock by reducing capacity.

Locker10a · 24-09-2014 12:37am

Phew, i dont care what aircraft its on im just glad the route is still going ahead next year!

JCX BXC · 24-09-2014 12:39am

Locker10a wrote: »

Phew, i dont care what aircraft its on im just glad the route is still going ahead next year!

What would you think if Ryanair replaced the route?

Locker10a · 24-09-2014 12:42am

Carnacalla wrote: »

Thanks for clarifying. It seems that since the a319 was introduced it has been having an adverse effect on belfast, Shannon and knock by reducing capacity.

I frequent the route and i have flown in February on a jam packed 319 and in May and July on the 320 which went out with less than 100 pax!! It can depend but id rather it be an 319 going out full and making money than half empty planes!! I think when ( if ) the LGW base closes it will be a BFS crew as i have a feeling they did it before! Last winter ?

JCX BXC · 24-09-2014 12:53am

Locker10a wrote: »

I frequent the route and i have flown in February on a jam packed 319 and in May and July on the 320 which went out with less than 100 pax!! It can depend but id rather it be an 319 going out full and making money than half empty planes!! I think when ( if ) the LGW base closes it will be a BFS crew as i have a feeling they did it before! Last winter ?

Im surprised they even have a lgw base anymore.

Locker10a · 24-09-2014 1:19am

Carnacalla wrote: »

What would you think if Ryanair replaced the route?

I would be happy for anyone to replace the route it's much less the airline and more so the convenience for me that makes it important but I would be sorry to see the shamrock disappear from NOC and I know many frequent fliers on the route who are really happy with the service and timings and I hope the route stays I flew it when it was XL airways and now I fly it with Aer Lingus and I hope the route lasts

Locker10a · 24-09-2014 1:22am

Carnacalla wrote: »

Im surprised they even have a lgw base anymore.

Yeah well they are " supposed to close " it but they currently use the crew there for charter work and DUB/ NOC and maybe BHD flights! Nice little base I know some crew there and they have not yet been told when it actually closes apparently or have heard a date but not had it confirmed

Tenger · 24-09-2014 9:39am

cgill wrote: »

...
9180 -A320 (Aug 2014)
7818 -A319 (Aug 2013)
9323 -A320 (Aug 2012)
8653 -A320 (Aug 2011)

......But the passenger numbers appear to suffer on a route that can sustain an A320.

Well could it be that EI decide to use the A319 when forward bookings are down? EI are quite flexible in their fleet usage, they will switch between A319/320/321 if loads require it and they are able to downguage another route to accomodate.
In addition it could well be that EI took the decision to standardise their LGW base with A319's and NOC just has to accept that due to the routing system.

Carnacalla wrote: »

Im surprised they even have a lgw base anymore.

They announced closure a few months ago. Closing some time in 2015

cgill · 19-11-2014 10:52pm

Looking at the routes bookable for summer 15 so far, it doesn't look like it will be a record-breaking year for Knock. Birmingham and Liverpool both down to 5-pw. Gran Canaria, Eindhoven, Prestwick, Kaunas and Cologne all removed from airline websites. Manchester not bookable but Flybe are supposed to be reviewing routes there so it's still early days yet. Ryanair have not yet officially announced their summer schedule as they have for all the other Irish airports, so still staying hopeful for some new route announcements...

JCX BXC · 19-11-2014 10:54pm

cgill wrote: »

Looking at the routes bookable for summer 15 so far, it doesn't look like it will be a record-breaking year for Knock. Birmingham and Liverpool both down to 5-pw. Gran Canaria, Eindhoven, Prestwick, Kaunas and Cologne all removed from airline websites. Manchester not bookable but Flybe are supposed to be reviewing routes there so it's still early days yet. Ryanair have not yet officially announced their summer schedule as they have for all the other Irish airports, so still staying hopeful for some new route announcements...

Kaunas moved to Shannon and cologne looks like it will also be moved to Shannon.

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