Situation from today - thoughts?

Turner

Entering into a left hand sweeping bend with your passenger wheel riding over the nearside yellow broken line markings is the wrong position to be in.

If you had stayed out closer to the white line your line of sight would have been able to see around the bend and see the obstruction ahead.

Poor driving on your part for your road position, braking so heavily and coming to a stop, and poor driving on the part of the VW too ( i think his faults are obvious)

Good outcome thoough with only a few panels scraped.

OldmanMondeo

Oranage2 wrote: »

Your right he couldnt have done more in the situation as it was but if Cinio didnt accelerate to the speed limit on a bend he couldnt see around then he would have had more time to think what to do - How he drove the only option was to almost slow down to a complete stop. If he was going slower he could have more time to maneuver the car safety though not quite into the ditch and maintain a speed that would not cause the red VW to plow in behind him.

In a round about way, we have both posted the same, but I don't think the acceleration had anything to do with it. He would have began to slow down when the Beetle was noticed. I would suggest that maybe slowing down more earlier would have helped prevent the Golf slipping off the road.

OldmanMondeo

Turner wrote: »

Entering into a left hand sweeping bend with your passenger wheel riding over the nearside yellow broken line markings is the wrong position to be in.

If you had stayed out closer to the white line your line of sight would have been able to see around the bend and see the obstruction ahead.

Poor driving on your part for your road position, braking so heavily and coming to a stop, and poor driving on the part of the VW too ( i think his faults are obvious)

Good outcome thoough with only a few panels scraped.

KEEP LEFT... that includes the lane your in. Road position was fine. You are not supposed to sit on the centre road markings. To many people keep centre and this causes a lot of near misses, and some not so near.

paddyland

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

OP got up to speed in a brisk fashion, saw a risk ahead and came to a safe stop.

Quite evidently, it was not a safe stop, as an incident resulted.

1) There was no need to come to a full stop, after the hazard had passed.

2) The stop was evidently made without reference to what was behind.

3) There is no such thing as a safe stop, in the middle of a fast road, on a blind bend, where other traffic will have to brake or swerve to avoid. It might be a necessary stop. That doesn't make it safe. In this case, it wasn't even necessary.

The blasting of the horn, suggests to me that the OP had an instance of road rage. A car approaching on the wrong side of the road, violating the OP's perceived right of way. By blowing the horn in the way he did, it suggests anger at the Beetle driver, and announcing to everyone on the road the perceived injustice. By braking to an unnecessary full stop afterwards, that was like asking for confirmation from everyone else that an injustice had been done, and one can almost imagine everyone else coming to a dead stop as well, coming over to the OP, patting his shoulder, shaking their heads, and agreeing over the failings of the Beetle driver.

If you are going to jam your brakes, and cause everyone else to jam on or swerve as well, every time someone invades your right of way on the road, then that suggests lack of experience, and only multiplies the frustration and danger on the roads. Like I said earlier, we all know the roads are full of idiots. Don't add to them.

Yes, the Beetle was at fault.

Yes, the Golf was at fault.

Yes, the OP was at fault. As kindly as possible, it has to be said out straight, that the OP over reacted, and turned a near miss with one car into an incident with another. You can't stop others from driving dangerously. All you can do is avoid multiplying the hazard. The OP didn't cause the incident. The OP added to it. It could have been avoided.

Zubeneschamali

paddyland wrote: »

The OP added to it. It could have been avoided.

It was avoided. An idiot in a golf scraped his car by swerving into the ditch. Serves him right, he might learn a lesson and react as well as CiniO did next time. Meanwhile, no real harm done.

Cuddlesworth

OldmanMondeo wrote: »

KEEP LEFT... that includes the lane your in. Road position was fine. You are not supposed to sit on the centre road markings. To many people keep centre and this causes a lot of near misses, and some not so near.

I'm afraid your quite wrong and he is quite right. As far to the left when turning right, as far to the right when turning left. Correct when meeting oncoming cars or hazard etc. It gives you a better line of sight around the corner and a slightly better reaction time. Its applicable to cars and is taught in advanced driving courses, but would be part of basic motorcycle training lessons.

Turner

OldmanMondeo wrote: »

KEEP LEFT... that includes the lane your in. Road position was fine. You are not supposed to sit on the centre road markings. To many people keep centre and this causes a lot of near misses, and some not so near.

What i was saying only applies to bends, not when travelling straight.

paddyland

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

It was avoided. An idiot in a golf scraped his car by swerving into the ditch. Serves him right, he might learn a lesson and react as well as CiniO did next time. Meanwhile, no real harm done.

Doesn't sound like an incident avoided to me...

Bohrio

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

It was avoided. An idiot in a golf scraped his car by swerving into the ditch. Serves him right, he might learn a lesson and react as well as CiniO did next time. Meanwhile, no real harm done.

if the golf driver would have bumped into the ops car then what? and if instead of golf wouldvebeen a truck?

CiniO

Oranage2 wrote: »

Just out of interest how many crashes/accidents have you been involved in thats your fault and not your fault?

Over last 13 years and about half a million km which I've traveled I had 2 accidents. Both were other party's fault.
Once I was rear ended when waiting on the red light before the junction.
Other time when I was passing trough supermarket lane, other car came out of parking space straight into me.

Obviously there was few more tiny incidents, but they were more of a parking scratches, and none of them happened at speed of excess of 10km/h.

Also I twice broke mirrors by overhang tree branched while driving buses on narrow roads.

I think that's all my sins.

CiniO

sentient_6 wrote: »

What sort of muppet does this on a ****y wet day, with your wife & kid in the car, approaching a bend? You do realise just because something isnt written into law it doesn't mean you have free rein to belt away, what happened to common sense? I knew you where an arrogant tosser from the first time i saw you quoting law on here when i first joined.

You obviously think your a mighty driver, being from the country with the best drivers & hardest conditions, being able to do 140 kph in the snow, :rolleyes:, but your video shows me anything but, a read about advanced & defensive driving wouldn't go astray one bit!

I don't think you are allowed to insult other users on this forum like that.

TestTransmission

I think we're done here