British army recruitment question

shakin

Hi im seriously considering joining the british army,

Im hoping to join the Royal Military Police, has anyone any info on them other than the army website?

Also how did you find the whole joing process..

thanks

thecommietommy

shakin wrote: »

Hi im seriously considering joining the british army,

Im hoping to join the Royal Military Police, has anyone any info on them other than the army website?

Also how did you find the whole joing process..

thanks

There you go Einstein http://www.google.ie/

shakin

thecommietommy wrote: »

There you go Einstein http://www.google.ie/

google is this new?

just wouldnt mind hearing personal experiences also,

thanks

OS119

shakin wrote: »

....Im hoping to join the Royal Military Police, has anyone any info on them other than the army website?

yes, everybody hates them.

what is it that interests you about the job - maybe we can suggest other jobs that don't carry the same social stigma: Estate Agent, Banker, professional paedeophile etc...

i'm tongue in cheek - a bit, but be under no illusions that you'll be treated like everyone else in a 'we're all professionals under the cap badges' style - you won't, you'll be about as welcome as syphallis and just as highly regarded.

shakin

OS119 wrote: »

yes, everybody hates them.

what is it that interests you about the job - maybe we can suggest other jobs that don't carry the same social stigma: Estate Agent, Banker, professional paedeophile etc...

i'm tongue in cheek - a bit, but be under no illusions that you'll be treated like everyone else in a 'we're all professionals under the cap badges' style - you won't, you'll be about as welcome as syphallis and just as highly regarded.

hi, yes i done a good bit of research on them, i can see they arent well liked, but are they not alongside infantry on the frontline? does the hatred to them end in those situations?

Ive always had an interest in army and police and i t.hink this combines the two well, would like to maybe join a civilian police force down the line

groundshaker

Serving with the infantry on the frontline??? Are you havin a giraffe?? Honestly can't see why anyone joins the army wanting to be an RMP, although it is a handy number though!

shakin

groundshaker wrote: »

Serving with the infantry on the frontline??? Are you havin a giraffe?? Honestly can't see why anyone joins the army wanting to be an RMP, although it is a handy number though!

According to videos on youtube RMP are embedded in infantry units in FOB's go on patrol with regular infantry???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLCGVJDGjt0

OS119

shakin wrote: »

hi, yes i done a good bit of research on them, i can see they arent well liked, but are they not alongside infantry on the frontline? does the hatred to them end in those situations?

Ive always had an interest in army and police and i t.hink this combines the two well, would like to maybe join a civilian police force down the line

yes, RMP do serve on the frontline, right at the front in extra-ordinarily dangerous roles within the COIN doctrine. they will be involved in foot patrols in Helmand province today and they'll be involved in training the Afghan Army and Police and living with them day-to-day (death sentence work if you ask me) - and they do play a very important role in the war (and probably, wars of the future). that said, they are still gits.

sadly(ish), even though the RMP team who live in a patrol base alongside their Infantry, RE, RA, Cav etc colleagues are accepted while they are there, as soon as they get home they'll be outcasts again. nature of the beast i'm afraid - it would be ok if you're in a large garrison with a sizable RMP presence that you can be part of and socialise with, but if you're the only Monkey at a location, i'd genuinely expect to be a very lonely individual.

people will be civil to you - not least because they are scared of the RMP - but there'll be no warmth, constant suspicion, and people will never, ever take you into their confidence. awful job - particularly in comparrison with the same job in the IA - because in the BA you live with your colleagues from other Arms.

tac foley

Being a lonely member of the RMP is about as popular a choice of army career as being the only Jesuit at a Bar Mitzvah.

We all know that they are necessary, but they really do work at making themselves as unwanted as a dose of coughing fits at the same time as the sh!ts.

Still do as you think best - it's your life, eh?

tac

Delancey

OP , someone here will know for sure but my understanding is that direct entry to the RMP is not possible and you would need to join another regiment first and after a while seek a transfer to RMP - perhaps others can confirm ?

I do know that a number of very senior British Police officers have served in the RMP before joining the civilian Police.

OS119

Delancey wrote: »

OP , someone here will know for sure but my understanding is that direct entry to the RMP is not possible and you would need to join another regiment first and after a while seek a transfer to RMP - perhaps others can confirm ?...

no, RMP is direct entry for Officers and Other Ranks.

why anyone would want to is perhaps a matter for a deathbed confession...

tac foley

Delancey wrote: »

I do know that a number of very senior British Police officers have served in the RMP before joining the civilian Police.

That probably goes a long way to explaining the way that some of them have acted over the years....

Petty tyrants as JNCOs become much bigger tyrants when offered the chance to exercise their craft on an unwitting public.

Over in BAOR we had a habit of carrying a spare 5 litre container of fuel in the trunk of the car - not in case we ran out, but in the lucky event of finding an RMP patrol vehicle on fire at the side of the road. We would offer to add our spare fuel to the burn, thereby keeping it going until the emergency services arrived.

tac

Delancey

Interesting to learn RMP operates direct entry , some folks here may remember a very senior Police chief in England - he was James Anderton and was Chief Constable of Greater Manchester for many years , he was the darling of those who read the Readers Digest and was noted ( or notorious ) for his ' eccentric ' views on homosexuality and other social issues.
Guess where he served his National Service ?

Delancey

Everyone I have ever met who served in the BA has an opinion on the RMP broadly in line with the views expressed on this thread.
Would the same views apply in the Defence Forces here ?

shakin

Delancey wrote: »

Everyone I have ever met who served in the BA has an opinion on the RMP broadly in line with the views expressed on this thread.
Would the same views apply in the Defence Forces here ?

Ya that would be interesting to know, RMP certainlycdont seem to go down well at all!

shakin

Heading to an meeting with recruiter next week, whats the dress code for that?
Any idea what happens that day?

OS119

shakin wrote: »

Heading to an meeting with recruiter next week, whats the dress code for that?
Any idea what happens that day?

should be just a general chat - what do you want to do, why, what your options are... etc.

i'd suggest that you dress as you would for any interview - so a plain suit, clean, ironed shirt, conservative tie and clean, polished shoes. and plain, dark socks - you aren't applying to join the RAF.

always remember thats it easy to 'dress down' once you get into a situation that demands it - whipping you tie off for instance. it is much, much harder to 'dress-up' if you get there and discover that everyone else going for the same job looks like they've made more effort than you. thats the crux - you're wanting somebody to give you a job, for which there are lots of applicants - if you want to the recruiter to think 'decent bloke', then you need him to think its important to you, and that you're making the effort.

personally, i'd suggest having a couple of potential ideas about what you want to do - if the RMP is very much what you want to because of the investigative element, then perhaps think about an Int Corps role as an alternative, with something very different as your 'left-field' choice - like UAV Operator, Royal Artillery, or EW Operator, Royal Signals. this shows you're serious about being 'Army', rather that just RMP, and that you're interested in the big wide world that the Army has to offer.

shakin

OS119 wrote: »

should be just a general chat - what do you want to do, why, what your options are... etc.

i'd suggest that you dress as you would for any interview - so a plain suit, clean, ironed shirt, conservative tie and clean, polished shoes. and plain, dark socks - you aren't applying to join the RAF.

always remember thats it easy to 'dress down' once you get into a situation that demands it - whipping you tie off for instance. it is much, much harder to 'dress-up' if you get there and discover that everyone else going for the same job looks like they've made more effort than you. thats the crux - you're wanting somebody to give you a job, for which there are lots of applicants - if you want to the recruiter to think 'decent bloke', then you need him to think its important to you, and that you're making the effort.

personally, i'd suggest having a couple of potential ideas about what you want to do - if the RMP is very much what you want to because of the investigative element, then perhaps think about an Int Corps role as an alternative, with something very different as your 'left-field' choice - like UAV Operator, Royal Artillery, or EW Operator, Royal Signals. this shows you're serious about being 'Army', rather that just RMP, and that you're interested in the big wide world that the Army has to offer.

Your probably right first impressions and all that, actually intelligence operative is my second choice intelligence linguist as my third (well provisionally anyway) still researching all the jobs. Maybe a let-field choice would be a good idea, showing an interest in the army rather than a specific job

Thanks

Poccington

26 + 6 = 1... Week ban for Conscript.

Poccington

Delancey wrote: »

Everyone I have ever met who served in the BA has an opinion on the RMP broadly in line with the views expressed on this thread.
Would the same views apply in the Defence Forces here ?

Oh yes.

tac foley

Please note - From the MoD pages re: Intelligence Corps recruiting guidelines

The applicant must have been born British or held British nationality for >10 years.

No dual nationals need apply.

The applicant must have been resident in the UK for >10 years.

The applicant must not have travelled to any of the proscribed list countries, or spent any protracted period of time away from the UK in the 10 years prior to his/her application to join the Intelligence Corps.

Both parents of the applicant must be British citizens with >10 years continuous residency in the UK.

Please read - http://www.army.mod.uk/documents/general/INT_Operator_MI.pdf

I would not like you to get your hopes up and then have the recruiter p!ss in your hat.

tac

shakin

tac foley wrote: »

Please note - From the MoD pages re: Intelligence Corps recruiting guidelines

1. The applicant must have been born British or held British nationality for >10 years.2. No dual nationals need apply.

3. The applicant must have been resident in the UK for >10 years.

4. The applicant must not have travelled to any of the proscribed list countries, or spent any protracted period of time away from the UK in the 10 years prior to his/her application to join the Intelligence Corps.

Please read - http://www.army.mod.uk/documents/general/INT_Operator_MI.pdf

I would not like you to get your hopes up and then have the recruiter p!ss in your hat.

tac

Ah crap i overlooked that, schoolboy error! back to role finder i guess

Manic Moran

The applicant must not have travelled to any of the proscribed list countries,

That could be a bit steep... what's on the list?

tac foley

The usual places like North Korea, Yemen, Albania, Syria, many countries in Africa and South America, Tibet, Sudan, Ethiopia - that kind of locale.

So basically, if you've been a missionary to the Horn of Africa, or employed by the WHO/UNICEF in strange and unhealty country, you can forget it.

I'm sure that you are acquainted with the relevant countries from a US POV, so it is axiomtaic that anybody hoping to become part of an AUSCANUKUS organisation like the British Army's Intelligence Corps will have identical restrictions on their travels.

Basically, anywhere that YOU as a US citizen member of the any part of the US Armed Forces - particularly those employed on INTEL duties, or with them as your basic MOS, can't go, they can't go either.

tac

Delancey

Manic Moran wrote: »

That could be a bit steep... what's on the list?

Probably any country ending in the letters ....stan - they all seem to be utter sh1tholes .
Do US citizens still have restrictions placed on travelling to Cuba ?

tac foley

Well, I still can't go to Cuba...twelve years after I left the Army.

tac

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Border-Rat

Does boards.ie serve as an official outlet for British military recruitment?

It wasn't me!

Border-Rat wrote: »

Does boards.ie serve as an official outlet for British military recruitment?

No, and as has been stated before, asking questions and discussing it is not a problem either.

Delancey

Border-Rat wrote: »

Does boards.ie serve as an official outlet for British military recruitment?

No it does not . However , given the current economic conditions recruitment to the Irish Defence Forces has been very limited in recent times , for many people aspiring to a military career the UK offers the best opportunity to pursue that career , thats why joining the British forces is discussed here.

Manic Moran

[Mod hat on]

Border-Rat wrote: »

Does boards.ie serve as an official outlet for British military recruitment?

OK, I've had it to here with these comments which keep cropping up. The rules and laws regarding talking about joining British, or any other nation's militaries are in the forum charter.

A week off.

[/Mod hat off]

abelard

I kind of just stumbled across this thread by accident and have a question out of curiosity if nothing else, sorry if it's a dumb one - but do Irish citizens (or any non-British) have restrictions as to the roles and ranks they can enter the British Army at (apart from the intelligence stuff as mentioned above)...?

OS119

abelard wrote: »

I kind of just stumbled across this thread by accident and have a question out of curiosity if nothing else, sorry if it's a dumb one - but do Irish citizens (or any non-British) have restrictions as to the roles and ranks they can enter the British Army at (apart from the intelligence stuff as mentioned above)...?

sadly yes - i'm fairly sure that alongside Int roles its pretty much flying roles (though as with all things, its Direct Entry roles where there's an issue - if you join as something else, and then do an internal transfer, the issue seems to magically disapear...). it also apears to be anything to do with Nuclear Weapons...

tac foley

The list of trade and/or trade groups that are NOT open to non-citizens of the UK can be found at any British Army Recruiting Centre. You can be pretty sure that the staff there, particularly those in Northern Ireland, will be very much on top of who and what can do whatever. There is absolutely no point in lying to a potential recruit about his future career in any part of the British Armed forces. Unlike rumours to the contrary once posted on this forum, recruting staff for the British Armed Forces stopped getting 'bounty money' for collecting recruits before the end of the 19th century.

In addition to the obvious one - the Intelligence Corps - there are certain parts of the Royal Signals that are INTEL associated, as mentioned before by OS, AAC pilots [Other Ranks or Officer] - certain parts of the RLC [EOD Tech] and so on and wherever there is a need for an enhanced vetting requirement called DV. This bar obviously appliers to any associated organisations like the SRR and Special Forces, although as OS119 will tell you, we have a joyful assortment of non-Brits there from all over the Commonwealth.

That seems to be the barrier to Irishmen from the Republic - you are not commonwealth citizens with an overall allegiance to the crowned head of state of the Commonwealth [shrug]. The arguments about you swearing an oath of allegiance to a head of state not your own have been slaughtered on this forum a gazillion times, and i don't intend to go into it again.

Basic clearance occurs in any event before you get to walk through the door of the recruit training depot, and any effort to enhance or gloss over any part of your history will be seen as obfuscation or intention to deceive on your part. Remember that the form that you will be filling in is a 'sworn document' in UK law, and frawking it could land you in VERY deep doo-doo, no matter whether you are a UK citizen or not.

My first WO2 QSMI [Tech] for the short time I was in REME was an Irishman from West Cork, and was a VERY switched on cookie indeed, and my last Chief Clerk was a Dublin man.

tac

shakin

Had my initial contact visit, was good to get the process started, need to work on fitness now and study for BARBS

cruasder777

tac foley wrote: »

The list of trade and/or trade groups that are NOT open to non-citizens of the UK can be found at any British Army Recruiting Centre. You can be pretty sure that the staff there, particularly those in Northern Ireland, will be very much on top of who and what can do whatever. There is absolutely no point in lying to a potential recruit about his future career in any part of the British Armed forces. Unlike rumours to the contrary once posted on this forum, recruting staff for the British Armed Forces stopped getting 'bounty money' for collecting recruits before the end of the 19th century.

In addition to the obvious one - the Intelligence Corps - there are certain parts of the Royal Signals that are INTEL associated, as mentioned before by OS, AAC pilots [Other Ranks or Officer] - certain parts of the RLC [EOD Tech] and so on and wherever there is a need for an enhanced vetting requirement called DV. This bar obviously appliers to any associated organisations like the SRR and Special Forces, although as OS119 will tell you, we have a joyful assortment of non-Brits there from all over the Commonwealth.

That seems to be the barrier to Irishmen from the Republic - you are not commonwealth citizens with an overall allegiance to the crowned head of state of the Commonwealth [shrug]. The arguments about you swearing an oath of allegiance to a head of state not your own have been slaughtered on this forum a gazillion times, and i don't intend to go into it again.

Basic clearance occurs in any event before you get to walk through the door of the recruit training depot, and any effort to enhance or gloss over any part of your history will be seen as obfuscation or intention to deceive on your part. Remember that the form that you will be filling in is a 'sworn document' in UK law, and frawking it could land you in VERY deep doo-doo, no matter whether you are a UK citizen or not.

My first WO2 QSMI [Tech] for the short time I was in REME was an Irishman from West Cork, and was a VERY switched on cookie indeed, and my last Chief Clerk was a Dublin man.

tac

No bar on UK Special Forces for Irish citizens. Infact 14 Int Coy, the SRRs previous name used to actively recruit them.

A guy killed in the Falkands with 22 SAS was also from the republic.

discus

Delancey wrote: »

Everyone I have ever met who served in the BA has an opinion on the RMP broadly in line with the views expressed on this thread.

RMP are *****.

Gingernuts31

shakin wrote: »

Had my initial contact visit, was good to get the process started, need to work on fitness now and study for BARBS

You got called up from the south just for a chat? They didn't get you to do the BARB while you were there? BARBS are grand if you have common sence and can think logically.

shakin

Gingernuts31 wrote: »

You got called up from the south just for a chat? They didn't get you to do the BARB while you were there? BARBS are grand if you have common sence and can think logically.

I called them, its an initial contact visit, recruiter goes through the different jobs, the recruitment process and take your weight and height, then you get application forms to fill out

Gingernuts31

Ah right, I done it slightly different then. I haven't met them yet. I applied online and got the application by post. Sent it back and got a date for the BARB tests. They don't yet know if im a fat elvis or a skinny weakling. But im neither so im alright .

shakin

Gingernuts31 wrote: »

Ah right, I done it slightly different then. I haven't met them yet. I applied online and got the application by post. Sent it back and got a date for the BARB tests. They don't yet know if im a fat elvis or a skinny weakling. But im neither so im alright .

ok im on a crash diet myself...need to get fit too. Dont want to get postponed at a medical. Off on holiday in 2 weeks so cant do barbs till middle of july.
What job are you going for?

Gingernuts31

Just the Royal Irish. I also put down the Para's but I don't know if im good enough for that. I can do my push ups and that, can do the 50 sit ups and the run in the 12.45 required for the RIR but for the Para's its a max of 9.40 but I have my 1.5 mile down to 10.30 10.40 but thats as good as I can get it for now.

How about you what did you go? Were you the original poster about the RMP?

shakin

Gingernuts31 wrote: »

Just the Royal Irish. I also put down the Para's but I don't know if im good enough for that. I can do my push ups and that, can do the 50 sit ups and the run in the 12.45 required for the RIR but for the Para's its a max of 9.40 but I have my 1.5 mile down to 10.30 10.40 but thats as good as I can get it for now.

How about you what did you go? Were you the original poster about the RMP?

Yes RMP hopefully, only one job choice on my application form afaik??

Have 2 others lined up as alternatives.

Hadnt done any excercise for ages so my run time was barely sub 14mins, but i have it down to 11:50 ish now. Not great on sit-ups im afraid!

Gingernuts31

I got a plan from a guy on here for it. You can find it online too and print it out of you want. Will get you doing them in 5 sets starting off from how many you can do now. Its called 200hundredsitups dot com. Your better off doing crunchs as situps are bad for your back but once you get good and your abs muscles are decent go for the situps. I did them and i haven't done situps in years. Yesterday i did 150 situps at 3 different stages. Its a good plan but as I said crunchs. Look you youtube for crunchs for runners, some good ones there.

I originally applied online and did the whole thing then I got a app in the post. I filled that one out can't remember how many jobs it asked for but I know online it asked for your 1st choice and 2 more. Cant remember what it asked for on the paper application.

shakin

Gingernuts31 wrote: »

I got a plan from a guy on here for it. You can find it online too and print it out of you want. Will get you doing them in 5 sets starting off from how many you can do now. Its called 200hundredsitups dot com. Your better off doing crunchs as situps are bad for your back but once you get good and your abs muscles are decent go for the situps. I did them and i haven't done situps in years. Yesterday i did 150 situps at 3 different stages. Its a good plan but as I said crunchs. Look you youtube for crunchs for runners, some good ones there.

I originally applied online and did the whole thing then I got a app in the post. I filled that one out can't remember how many jobs it asked for but I know online it asked for your 1st choice and 2 more. Cant remember what it asked for on the paper application.

Cheers ill check that out, good luck with the application

garymac11

I also have Applied for the Rmp.Sat the Barbs and literacy/numeracy tests.Any idea how long it takes to get a call back after you send of your medical forms?