Obama was born in Kenya..

CiaranMT

profitius wrote: »

:rolleyes:

The reasons people are questioning it is because of the obvious - he wasn't born in the USA!

You should ask yourself, why would people go to all this trouble about the birth cert if they were making it up?

Personally I think its a minor thing in the grand scheme of things but he - the Messiah - should not be able to bend the rules for his or his party's benefit.

And you have proof of this, do ya?

Tbh, Obama is laughing up his sleeve at those who propagate this nonsense.

profitius

Jonny7 wrote: »

What's the end goal?

To control things.

CiaranMT wrote: »

And you have proof of this, do ya?

Tbh, Obama is laughing up his sleeve at those who propagate this nonsense.

Indeed he is. He knows theres little they can do. Hes also a good actor in fairness.

Monty Burnz

profitius wrote: »

To control things.



Indeed he is. He knows theres little they can do. Hes also a good actor in fairness.

So basically your position is that you have no actual evidence that he wasn't born in Hawaii, but some people who really, really want him to not be an American have claimed he is not an American, so you will believe what they say instead of the all official and contemporaneous evidence that exists?

CiaranMT

Pretty much.

Daithi 1

But there is also evidence to the contrary. Which puts you in the same boat as birthers, monty dude.

Monty Burnz

Daithi 1 wrote: »

But there is also evidence to the contrary. Which puts you in the same boat as birthers, monty dude.

But there is no evidence. There are some 'experts' who don't know how Adobe software works, and a blurb from some book cover. That's it. And neither counts as hard evidence.

Let's put it like this: if his birth cert said he was born in Kenya, and his birth was announced in a newspaper at the time that he was born in Mombassa or somewhere, and against that claiming he was from the US there were some ropey internet 'experts' (who happen to be conspiracy theorists) who claimed his birth cert was a forgery, and a book cover blurb stating the same - which would you believe?

What evidence have I missed that indicates he was not born in Hawaii?

CiaranMT

Daithi 1 wrote: »

But there is also evidence to the contrary. Which puts you in the same boat as birthers, monty dude.

Provide this 'evidence', please, in its entirety.

Run_to_da_hills

Is the President the President?

A Hereditary Peers’ Briefing Paper LONDON, JUNE 2012

http://static.infowars.com/2012/06/i/general/peers-briefing-2.pdf

Monty Burnz

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Is the President the President?

A Hereditary Peers’ Briefing Paper LONDON, JUNE 2012

http://static.infowars.com/2012/06/i/general/peers-briefing-2.pdf

Two points:

1. Is this actually a briefing intended only for hereditary peers? How odd, if so.
2. Are there any better candidates for lizard people/illuminati/NWO status than the Lords, Dukes, Margraves, Earls etc. who hold hereditary peerages?

Daithi 1

Der called Reptilians. "Lizard people" sounds silly.

Apelles

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Is the President the President?

A Hereditary Peers’ Briefing Paper LONDON, JUNE 2012

http://static.infowars.com/2012/06/i/general/peers-briefing-2.pdf

2. Almost all school, college and other records of Mr. Obama's early life have been sealed and are not available to the public. Birth certificates would be routinely available to any enquirer in the United Kingdom, and no agency of the State would have standing to prevent members of the public from gaining access to certified copies or having sight of the original records, on paying a reasonable fee. The sealing of the President’s records appears to have been carried out to an exceptional and costly degree.

Interesting claim . . . Is this true?

ResearchWill

Apelles wrote: »

Interesting claim . . . Is this true?

Would be if true, but a far less interesting story is that he had a may have had a mediocre time in college before heading to Havard Law, maybe a bit of affirmative action helping him along. Good article in the New York Sun, http://www.nysun.com/new-york/obamas-years-at-columbia-are-a-mystery/85015/

I remember an interview a women gave a few years ago on TV, she told a story of being at a country club in Hawaii, when a doctor friend of her fathers came in. He told a story of a birth in the hospital that day, the reason he told the story was the name of the child was unusual Barack Obama.

The following are also interesting http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/obama-1961-birth-announcement-from-honolulu-advertiser0000.gif

http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/ObamaBirthStarBulletin.jpg

Also good article here http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/Obamas_birth_is_easily_verified_but_few_choose_to_do_so.html?id=120561054

Jonny7

Almost any president and/or presidential candidate has certain aspects of their past covered as much as possible, generally in order to prevent the other side digging.

Run_to_da_hills

The evidence keeps on coming in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yft0kz_fbnA

http://www.pakalertpress.com/2012/07/19/national-security-threat-obamas-birth-certificate-proven-fraudulent/

hooradiation

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

The evidence keeps on coming in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yft0kz_fbnA

http://www.pakalertpress.com/2012/07/19/national-security-threat-obamas-birth-certificate-proven-fraudulent/

They'd wanna try harder than that to manufacture up some kind of 'controversy'

Daithi 1

hooradiation wrote: »

They'd wanna try harder than that to manufacture up some kind of 'controversy'

Hasn't this news hit every mainstream news outlet in America, and beyond ?

Are you not living on this planet ?



https://www.google.ie/#q=sheriff+joe+arpaio+obama&hl=en&safe=off&prmd=imvnsuo&ei=tQAIUOjqB4KDhQeC7fzgAw&start=0&sa=N&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=1867cf98d3e50a91&biw=1280&bih=852

Corkfeen

Daithi 1 wrote: »

Hasn't this news hit every mainstream news outlet in America, and beyond ?

Are you not living on this planet ?



https://www.google.ie/#q=sheriff+joe+arpaio+obama&hl=en&safe=off&prmd=imvnsuo&ei=tQAIUOjqB4KDhQeC7fzgAw&start=0&sa=N&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=1867cf98d3e50a91&biw=1280&bih=852

No legitimate news site is actually taking it seriously (i'm sure you'll probably find Russia Today concurring with it...)... :pac: In fact, most attribute this story to be a result of Arpaio redirecting from his own controversy...

At trial we will prove that Sheriff Arpaio's fixation on immigration enforcement and his equating of, quote, ‘illegal' with 'Latino' has resulted in systemic civil rights violations," said Cecillia Wang, director of the Immigrants Rights Project at the American Civil Liberties Union.

The sheriff's office "has recklessly set up a dragnet for undocumented immigrants, but in the process has violated the rights of countless Latino residents of the county, U.S. citizens and immigrants alike who cannot go about their lawful business without fear of being detained and interrogated during a pretextual traffic stop," she added.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/19/us-usa-arizona-sheriff-idUSBRE86I0LP20120719

Plus there's the thing with not investigating sex crimes correctly, I really can't see how anyone would take this idiot seriously. A man who is known for racially profiling claims America's first black president isn't American. If there was actual evidence that he wasn't american, the entire right wing would rip him apart but there isn't, instead we get the dregs of society supporting the birther movement (Arpaio and his firm followers state side). :pac: Here's an insight from Arizona.
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/2012/07/18/20120718montini0719arpaios-birther-brigade-begins-verbal-assault.html

Jonny7

Daithi 1 wrote: »

Hasn't this news hit every mainstream news outlet in America, and beyond ?

Are you not living on this planet ?

Daithi, in fairness, this guy does not have very much credibility.

Daithi 1

Jonny7 wrote: »

Daithi, in fairness, this guy does not have very much credibility.

Yeah, but also in fairness...

Hasn't this news hit every mainstream news outlet in America, and beyond ?

I am pie

Daithi 1 wrote: »

Yeah, but also in fairness...

Hasn't this news hit every mainstream news outlet in America, and beyond ?

No, because it is not credible. It panders to fantasists with an agenda, but does not stand up to scrutiny.

Just this week a Romney staffer made a sly reference to it, and found himself apologising in an effort to promote the credibility of the Romney campaign.

Honestly, this is not mainstream news. To be so it would require credible evidence, none of which is available.

Daithi 1

Corkfeen wrote: »

No legitimate news site is actually taking it seriously (i'm sure you'll probably find Russia Today concurring with it...)... :pac: In fact, most attribute this story to be a result of Arpaio redirecting from his own controversy...


Plus there's the thing with not investigating sex crimes correctly, I really can't see how anyone would take this idiot seriously. A man who is known for racially profiling claims America's first black president isn't American. If there was actual evidence that he wasn't american, the entire right wing would rip him apart but there isn't, instead we get the dregs of society supporting the birther movement (Arpaio and his firm followers state side). :pac: Here's an insight from Arizona.
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/2012/07/18/20120718montini0719arpaios-birther-brigade-begins-verbal-assault.html

Yeah we all know all that stuff.. blah blah .

I'd rather focus on the evidence presented, rather than who presented it and weather or not they have a colorful background.
There are many other investigators involved in this other than Joe, a whole cold case posse who swear by the evidence.
I happen to believe that they believe they have something.
Weather they do or not, is another matter.
I don't but that hypothesis that he is trying to take himself out of the limelight by putting Obama in it, it simply doesn't make sense. I had no idea who he was or about his chequered history, prior to all of this. If that was his intention it certainly has backfired.

Daithi 1

I am pie wrote: »

No, because it is not credible. It panders to fantasists with an agenda, but does not stand up to scrutiny.

Just this week a Romney staffer made a sly reference to it, and found himself apologising in an effort to promote the credibility of the Romney campaign.

Honestly, this is not mainstream news. To be so it would require credible evidence, none of which is available.

It's plastered all over mainstream.

Corkfeen

Daithi , refer me to one mainstream news site that agrees with the claim. The claim may be on their site but they don't actually agree with it. Ridiculous news always makes it onto mainstream news... Birthers hinge on claiming his birth cert was falsified however that claim has been disproven time and time again.

I am pie

Daithi 1 wrote: »

It's plastered all over mainstream.

What is ? Show me one 'mainstream' news report which is supporting the peurile claim the Obama is not American ?

Link please.

(note - RT is not going to cut it !...although they should be on commission, the amount of times one of their fairy tales get's linked to in these forums in unreal !)

gibraltar

Daithi 1 wrote: »

Yeah we all know all that stuff.. blah blah .

I'd rather focus on the evidence presented, rather than who presented it and weather or not they have a colorful background.

Great, how about you detail which parts of the evidence supporting the idea that Obama was born in Kenya hold up to scrutiny as far as you are concerned.

Daithi 1 wrote: »

I happen to believe that they believe they have something.
Weather they do or not, is another matter.

And the BNP believe they have facts on their side, would you be willing to support them too?

hooradiation

Daithi 1 wrote: »

Hasn't this news hit every mainstream news outlet in America, and beyond ?

Not that I can see. Certainly, people have reported that Mr Arpaio made an announcement, but nobody seems to give much of a fuck about what he's saying this time.
I guess if it's a slow day the trio of easily confused mouthpieces on Fox & Friends might pick it up.

Daithi 1 wrote: »

Are you not living on this planet ?

You've caught me on that. But even here from within the cold steel heart of my remote lunar bastion, I can still spot the lack of impact this 'news' has had.

Which makes me ask - why are you so easily rendered incredulous, earth man?

Jonny7

Daithi 1 wrote: »

Yeah, but also in fairness...

Hasn't this news hit every mainstream news outlet in America, and beyond ?

Not really, it made the US news because it was a bit of drama, but since the Republicans have backed off its become much more of a sideshow with people realising he's just a bit of a nut.

Daithi 1

Jonny7 wrote: »

Not really, it made the US news because it was a bit of drama

Not really but yes, then ?

gibraltar

Daithi 1 wrote: »

It's plastered all over mainstream.

Can you expand this statement please, does this mean that you trust mainstream news to deliver the truth?

Jonny7

Daithi 1 wrote: »

Not really but yes, then ?

It's subjective

Browing through my daily half a dozen news websites I haven't really come across it much. I'm sure its "news" somewhere, depends on your definition.

Look some nutjob can sit there and keep "presenting" evidence that black is white, after awhile people just stop listening.

ResearchWill

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

The evidence keeps on coming in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yft0kz_fbnA

http://www.pakalertpress.com/2012/07/19/national-security-threat-obamas-birth-certificate-proven-fraudulent/

I can't see how that is evidence. In the race box the word African is written. Then next to that a faint 9, 9 according to the guide notes is "unknown or not stated" 1 to 8 give options for race none of which is African. There is negro and white and an African can be either, both F W DeClerk and Nelson Mandela are African. The filling in of a 9 is a totally logical answer as it best answers the question.

Also it would have been normal back then for a African American, to complet the form with "black" while a Kenyan would identify as "African" so if anything it supports the facts as stated by the President.

Daithi 1

Jonny7 wrote: »

Daithi 1 wrote: »

Not really but yes, then ?

It's subjective

Browing through my daily half a dozen news websites I haven't really come across it much. I'm sure its "news" somewhere, depends on your definition.

Look some nutjob can sit there and keep "presenting" evidence that black is white, after awhile people just stop listening.

So, yes. Thanks bud.

I am pie

Daithi 1 wrote: »

So, yes. Thanks bud.

So, I'm still waiting for you to come up with one credible news source that supports the idea that Obama isn't American.

I know you can't, breath not held.

weisses

I am pie wrote: »

So, I'm still waiting for you to come up with one credible news source that supports the idea that Obama isn't American.

I know you can't, breath not held.

you just pointed out a possible new conspiracy... Thanks;)

Daithi 1

I am pie wrote: »

So, I'm still waiting for you to come up with one credible news source that supports the idea that Obama isn't American.

I know you can't, breath not held.

I have no intention of looking. Arent the media supposed to be unbiased ?
If MSM did support the accusations toward Obama, I would assume there is an agenda, same goes for them not supporting the claims.

To be honest, I don't know if the allegations are rite or wrong and don't care either way. But I do believe there is something fishy going on with the birthcert and I can't push that aside because Joe have a tarnished reputation.

I am pie

Daithi 1 wrote: »

I have no intention of looking. Arent the media supposed to be unbiased ?
If MSM did support the accusations toward Obama, I would assume there is an agenda, same goes for them not supporting the claims.

To be honest, I don't know if the allegations are rite or wrong and don't care either way. But I do believe there is something fishy going on with the birthcert and I can't push that aside because Joe have a tarnished reputation.

So, there are no mainstream new sources which you can reference which support the idea the Obama wasn't born in Hawaii, but yet the media are saturated with the story?

It's a non-story.

Daithi 1

I am pie wrote: »

but yet the media are saturated with the story?

Umm yeah... MSM is pretty much drowning in this story.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/17/joe-arpaio-birther-probe-_n_1681428.html

http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-arpaio-obama-birth-certificate-fraudulent-20120718,0,596040.story

http://news.yahoo.com/arpaio-obama-birth-record-definitely-fraudulent-010211250.html

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/07/17/obama-birth-record-definitely-fraudulent-sheriff-joe-arpaio-says/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/arpaio-says-obama-birth-record-is-fraudulent/2012/07/17/gJQAHcARsW_video.html

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/arizona-sheriff-joe-arpaio-claims-obama-birth-certificate-fake-article-1.1116755

http://www.abcactionnews.com/dpp/shared/sheriff-arpaio-holds-another-news-conference-on-president-obamas-birth-certificate1342645192013

To name but a few, there are thousands more..

gibraltar

Daithi 1 wrote: »

Umm yeah... MSM is pretty much drowning in this story.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/17/joe-arpaio-birther-probe-_n_1681428.html

http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-arpaio-obama-birth-certificate-fraudulent-20120718,0,596040.story

http://news.yahoo.com/arpaio-obama-birth-record-definitely-fraudulent-010211250.html

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/07/17/obama-birth-record-definitely-fraudulent-sheriff-joe-arpaio-says/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/arpaio-says-obama-birth-record-is-fraudulent/2012/07/17/gJQAHcARsW_video.html

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/arizona-sheriff-joe-arpaio-claims-obama-birth-certificate-fake-article-1.1116755

http://www.abcactionnews.com/dpp/shared/sheriff-arpaio-holds-another-news-conference-on-president-obamas-birth-certificate1342645192013

To name but a few, there are thousands more..

All the sites you linked, including Foxnews , are reporting the that Arpaio has claimed the birth cert is fake - not that the claim is correct - big difference.

Daithi 1

gibraltar wrote: »

All the sites you linked, including Foxnews , are reporting the that Arpaio has claimed the birth cert is fake - not that the claim is correct - big difference.

I never suggested otherwise.

Can you or anyone else here, find any mainstream paper which clearly states that the accusations are bullsh!t ?

gibraltar

Daithi 1 wrote: »

I never suggested otherwise.

Can you or anyone else here, find any mainstream paper which clearly states that the accusations are bullsh!t ?

So you trust mainstream news now?

Daithi 1

gibraltar wrote: »

Daithi 1 wrote: »

I never suggested otherwise.

Can you or anyone else here, find any mainstream paper which clearly states that the accusations are bullsh!t ?

So you trust mainstream news now?

Why would you ask such a question ? and what relevance has it got to what we are discussing ?

you didnt answer my question.

gibraltar

Daithi 1 wrote: »

Why would you ask such a question ? and what relevance has it got to what we are discussing ?

you didnt answer my question.

First of all to be fair you have not answered any of the questions I have asked previsiouly.

Moving on, I think its fairly obvious why the question was asked, do you trust the sources that you are linking to - if not why are you posting them and why do you care what they say - very relevent.

[QUOTE=Daithi 1;79829340
To be honest, I don't know if the allegations are rite or wrong and don't care either way. But I do believe there is something fishy going on with the birthcert and I can't push that aside because Joe have a tarnished reputation.[/QUOTE]

Its strange that you don't care yet you continue to agrue towards one direction.

[QUOTE=Daithi 1;79829340
But I do believe there is something fishy going on with the birthcert and I can't push that aside because Joe have a tarnished reputation.[/QUOTE]

You believe something fishy is going on because Sheriff Joe has said so, you also refuse to consider that Sheriff Joe might be being dishonest in this instance just because he has a history of dishonesty - fair enough.

Can you detail the evidence that makes you think something fishy is going on?

Daithi 1

gibraltar wrote: »

First of all to be fair you have not answered any of the questions I have asked previsiouly.

Moving on, I think its fairly obvious why the question was asked, do you trust the sources that you are linking to - if not why are you posting them and why do you care what they say - very relevent.
Its strange that you don't care yet you continue to agrue towards one direction.
You believe something fishy is going on because Sheriff Joe has said so, you also refuse to consider that Sheriff Joe might be being dishonest in this instance just because he has a history of dishonesty - fair enough.

Can you detail the evidence that makes you think something fishy is going on?

But trust the media to do what ? Someone (I am Pie) said it wasn't news, I said it's plastered all over mainstream. So I posted some links. I wasn't using the links as support for a theory, but simply to demonstrate that MS is plastered in the story. I didnt say MS was honest or dishonest or that I trust them or not, nor did I say MSM are supporting the allegations. So, why you are asking if I trust them or not; is irrelevant and beyond me.

But since you did ask, may I return the favour and ask you to point me in the direction a MSM outlet which does not support the allegations against Obama ??

Actually it was the other guy in the press conference that I thought had some credibility, not Joe, so it's not on Joe's say-so. And I have considered that Joe is being dishonest (another wild assumption of yours). I just don't think it makes sense to accuse the president of the United States of not being American, to deflect attention from ones own short comings. It simply doesn't make sense to me. If anything it would shed more light on Joe.

The birthcert seems to be riddled with anomalies. If only a few of those are found to be valid, something is fishy imo.

gibraltar

Daithi 1 wrote: »

But trust the media to do what ? Someone (I am Pie) said it wasn't news, I said it's plastered all over mainstream. So I posted some links. I wasn't using the links as support for a theory, but simply to demonstrate that MS is plastered in the story. I didnt say MS was honest or dishonest or that I trust them or not, nor did I say MSM are supporting the allegations. So, why you are asking if I trust them or not; is irrelevant and beyond me.

When I see links posted I think, like most people I imagine, that the person posting them has an opinion about the links rather than just posting sites that simply agree with what they are saying.

Saying "look all these sites are reporting it therefrore its valid" while refusing to answer the simple question of whether or not you trust the people doing the reporting is bizzare.

Daithi 1 wrote: »

But since you did ask, may I return the favour and ask you to point me in the direction a MSM outlet which does not support the allegations against Obama ??

Yes I did ask, twice, and you have not answered twice because the question of whether or not MSN can be trusted is irrelevant and beyond you.

I will try a different question - can you point me in the direction of a MSN outlet that does support the allegations?, I would guess you have to leave that unanswered too or you might have to state whether or not you find MSN trustworthy, as you have said - thats irrelevant so you wont answer.

Daithi 1 wrote: »

Actually it was the other guy in the press conference that I thought had some credibility, not Joe, so it's not on Joe's say-so. And I have considered that Joe is being dishonest (another wild assumption of yours).

A wild assumption of mine?, hang on your the one who stated he did not even know who Sheriff Joe was,

Daithi 1 wrote: »

I had no idea who he was or about his chequered history, prior to all of this. If that was his intention it certainly has backfired.

I happen to know something about the guy from people who live/have lived in Arazona and Las Vegas aswell as the many news reports and articiles written about him over the years so please don't accuse me of making wild assumptions about him particulary when you admit not knowing who he was until his latest stunt.

Daithi 1 wrote: »

I just don't think it makes sense to accuse the president of the United States of not being American, to deflect attention from ones own short comings. It simply doesn't make sense to me. If anything it would shed more light on Joe.

It makes more sense to you that the president is not really american?

Daithi 1 wrote: »

The birthcert seems to be riddled with anomalies. If only a few of those are found to be valid, something is fishy imo.

Again can you detail the evidence that makes you think something is fishy please?

Very simple question for you, how difficult do you think it is to fake a birth cert?

XxMCRxBabyxX

If there are people who are so determined that Obama's birth cert is fake then why haven't they produced a Kenyan birth cert for him? Surely that'd prove everything.

Father Damo

Anybody who identifies with the birther movement should have their voting rights removed from them on the grounds that they have not got the mental ability to use them correctly.

Owryan

What i dont get is when did the "conspiracy" begin ? ie when he was born or when he got into politics ?

If it began when he was born the how did they know how his future was going to pan out ?

If it began when he was politically active then there was a hell of a lot of re writing of history . One past had to be erased and a new one written and accepted. The sheer effort that this would entail is enough to cast doubts on it.