Kids murdered for parents wanting a bigger council house?

davet82

http://m.dailymail.co.uk/mobile/news/article.html?articleID=2145681

I dont know if anybody else was following this story but it just continues to shock me, first the fact all of their 6 children died (RIP), then to find out it was done delibritely... and now the suggestion the motive was because somebody was annoyed they had a big family on welfare and were seeking more benefits... just crazy.

I know it was insesitve for the journlist to speculate (putting it mildly) but if its the truth should she not report it? I didnt see the tv interview yet btw.

Pandora2

Yup...this is really disturbing and has suggestions of a vile crime however, bit long in the tooth to be believing all the press report...I'll wait to pass judgement when someone is put forward for trial and the evidence and facts emerge......not enough info to make a judgment thus far imho.........

So very sad and whoever created this tragedy, hanging is too good!!:mad:

El Weirdo

Battered Mars Bar wrote: »

Thanks to the limerick sort looking for a bigger gaff prior to this, this one just bores me, don't care what happened...what's next in the news?

Well after seeing attitudes like this and similar shite expressed in the thread about the aforementioned Limerick woman, I wouldn't be at all surprised if the woman in the article is right.

Edit: I see your ninja editing skills are like your attitude - a load of bollocks.

eviltwin

Carol Malone is a vile woman. We know the fire was arson but no one yet knows who started it or why. I've no doubt there are people out there sick enough to do something like that but this kind of speculation is not helpful to a family going through hell right now. I get really angry when I see ignorant journalists using a very private tragedy to get talked about. :mad:

Battered Mars Bar

El Weirdo wrote: »

Well after seeing attitudes like this and similar shite expressed in the thread about the aforementioned Limerick woman, I wouldn't be at all surprised if the woman in the article is right.

Thanks I had deleted my post because I didn't read the article & mistook it for something else.

Edit: Deleted by own accord well before your post, and I'm perfectly entitled to do so.

slarkin123

What sort of scumbag sets fire to a house knowing there's kids in it. It makes no difference what the family situation was. No one deserves this.

seamus

Shameless attempt by the Daily Mail to make this look like an attack on the welfare classes, i.e. their key demographic.

Most likely that someone in the family had made bad blood with another local.

stovelid

seamus wrote: »

Shameless attempt by the Daily Mail to make this look like an attack on the welfare classes, i.e. their key demographic.

Most likely that someone in the family had made bad blood with another local.

Everybody that reads the mail is on welfare?

davet82

eviltwin wrote: »

Carol Malone is a vile woman.

i have no idea who the woman is and i dont think i'll google to find out now either, if this is pure opinion/speculation/gossip from her


Anyways god help that family, i cant even imagine what they are going through

eviltwin

stovelid wrote: »

Everybody that reads the mail is on welfare?

I think he means its the key group they love to attack, every second article is about how people on welfare are scum, makes a change from them attacking mothers I guess though.

davet82

seamus wrote: »

Shameless attempt by the Daily Mail to make this look like an attack on the welfare classes, i.e. their key demographic.

Most likely that someone in the family had made bad blood with another local.

sorry i can post the link to be bbc article? its pretty much the same

seamus

stovelid wrote: »

Everybody that reads the mail is on welfare?

Who said that?

Logical Fallacy

seamus wrote: »

Shameless attempt by the Daily Mail to make this look like an attack on the welfare classes, i.e. their key demographic.

Most likely that someone in the family had made bad blood with another local.

The Daily Mail just change their **** up every second week.

The only good thing about that paper is everyone has the chance to be portrayed as either scum or a victim, depending on the mood of the editor.

El Weirdo

seamus wrote: »

Shameless attempt by the Daily Mail to make this look like an attack on the welfare classes, i.e. their key demographic.

Most likely that someone in the family had made bad blood with another local.

I may be reading this wrong, but it looks to me that the "welfare classes" are their smallest demographic.

http://www.nmauk.co.uk/nma/do/live/factsAndFigures?newspaperID=10#demographic

syklops

I know it was insesitve for the journlist to speculate (putting it mildly) but if its the truth should she not report it?

Boom! Head explodes!

How can a journalists specualtion be the truth?

Scioch

davet82 wrote: »

if its the truth should she not report it? I didnt see the tv interview yet btw.

Of course she should but you need to have proof that its the truth first. Speculation isnt the truth and to speculate about that at a time when a family has lost 6 kids is fcukin disgusting.

seamus

El Weirdo wrote: »

I may be reading this wrong, but it looks to me that the "welfare classes" are their smallest demographic.

http://www.nmauk.co.uk/nma/do/live/factsAndFigures?newspaperID=10#demographic

C2DE is 37% of their readership. I stand corrected.

grindle

syklops wrote: »

Boom! Head explodes!

How can a journalists specualtion be the truth?

Journalist speculates.

Speculation turns out to be true.

Journalist's speculation = truth.

Nothingbetter2d

seamus wrote: »

Who said that?

dont they get it free when they collect their dole?

Dudess

A typical fan of the Mail is an Alan Partridge type I reckon.

What a cunt.

I've been victim to journalists trying to make names for themselves. It's downright nasty.

RIP those poor kids.

syklops

grindle wrote: »

Journalist takes a gamble.

Gamble turns out to be true.

Journalists gamble pays off, journalist gets big bonus.
Journalists gamble doesn't pay off, dozens of people hurt or worse. Journalist goes for a smoke and a coffee and finds new story to speculate on

FYP

El Weirdo

To be fair to Malone (and believe me, I don't type those words easily), reading between the lines of the couple of news reports I've seen about this story, I came to the same conclusion.

Now, maybe this is what people in the area are speculating and the other news agencies aren't just blurting it out like Malone is.

El Weirdo

El Weirdo wrote: »

Now, maybe this is what people in the area are speculating and the other news agencies aren't just blurting it out like Malone is.

That's just it though. Come to your own conclusion but for gods sake let the family grieve without basically saying "your kids are dead because you wanted a bigger house".I know I'm maybe sensationalising but I really think that's essentially what she said.

El Weirdo

Deleted User wrote: »

That's just it though. Come to your own conclusion but for gods sake let the family grieve without basically saying "your kids are dead because you wanted a bigger house".I know I'm maybe sensationalising but I really think that's essentially what she said.

Agreed.

davet82

syklops wrote: »

Boom! Head explodes!

How can a journalists specualtion be the truth?

i ment if the speculation turns out to be true or if the 'speculation' was from a good source not just opinion, i didnt see the interview

worded poorly, apologies

Pandora2

seamus wrote: »

Shameless attempt by the Daily Mail to make this look like an attack on the welfare classes, i.e. their key target.

Most likely that someone in the family had made bad blood with another local.

FYP Cheeky I know but I think that's what you meant:o Apologies if I'm wrong:o

eviltwin

El Weirdo wrote: »

To be fair to Malone (and believe me, I don't type those words easily), reading between the lines of the couple of news reports I've seen about this story, I came to the same conclusion.

Now, maybe this is what people in the area are speculating and the other news agencies aren't just blurting it out like Malone is.

Its clutching at straws, a few days after this happened the Mail had an article that basically blamed an ex girlfriend of the father based only on the idea they had been involved in an argument a few days before the fire. Her name was printed too. Terrible when you consider so far no one has been charged.

Its like that story of the young nurse who was accused of tampering with saline which ended in some patients dying...her entire life story was printed in the Mail and it turned out she was totally innocent.

So another life in ruins but who cares as long as the Mail sell a few papers :mad:

stovelid

seamus wrote: »

Who said that?

You said the "welfare classes" were the Mail's key demographic which I assumed to mean readership demographic but I see it's been debated already.

Pandora2

I, who once aspired to be a journalist (It was a pipe dream but, a profession I admired:o ; Anyhow, my style is too flowery and my punctuation chaotic :mad:) Well, I now think that journalists have forgotten that they are to report the news....not make the news!!:(

iguana

Battered Mars Bar wrote: »

Thanks I had deleted my post because I thought it was too insensitive. I thought without reading this was that other case of the family of 17

It is that case, your reading skills are poor. Are the deaths of the 6 children somehow more worthy of your attention and sensitivity if they don't have lots of half and step siblings?

Dudess

What an odious woman. And blurting out something like that, based on a hunch, has nothing to do with a journalist reporting the truth. Firstly, nobody knows for certain that was the motive, secondly - if/when the truth is reported, the correct protocol would be: a reporter reporting it in an unbiased manner. This woman is not a reporter, she is an opinion columnist, whose role is to comment on stories after they are reported.

kevmol88

Charlie Brooker once said Carole Malone was 'so repugnant in print you want to climb inside the page and vomit ink down her eye sockets'.

Battered Mars Bar

iguana wrote: »

It is that case, your reading skills are poor. Are the deaths of the 6 children somehow more worthy of your attention and sensitivity if they don't have lots of half and step siblings?

Is it? oh right, my post hasn't anything to do with the children so I haven't a clue what your half sibling thing is about. My post was deleted by the way by me because it wasn't in relation to the article. I take issue with this demand for bigger council houses, I wasn't impressed with the way an article a few weeks ago made out that the council were to blame for not providing a bigger gaff for this family....also I feel the limerick woman created a sort of crying for wolf situation here for other families that might actually need appropriate accommodation. But clearly I'm in the wrong thread here due to my inferior reading skills, thanks for pointing that out.

xzanti

This story makes my skin crawl.. My faith in humanity is dwindling more and more every day..

I just pray that those poor innocent children died quickly.. May they rest in peace.

xzanti

xzanti wrote: »

This story makes my skin crawl.. My faith in humanity is dwindling more and more every day..

Don't let it. There are more good in this world than bad, it's just that the good keep their heads down

syklops

Deleted User wrote: »

Don't let it. There are more good in this world than bad, it's just that the good keep their heads down

and the tabloids like reporting the bad stuff.

syklops

syklops wrote: »

and the tabloids like reporting the bad stuff.

'xactly

steddyeddy

steddyeddy wrote: »

To be honest Id say this man is way more annoying to loyalists than anyone else. Imagine the damage this man is doing to loyalists reputation.

Wrong thread?

steddyeddy

Deleted User wrote: »

Wrong thread?

Thats the fifth time Ive done that!

The Radiator

Seems harsh